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Replying To Viking66: "The thing is I dont think Waterford need a grassroots up rebuilding job. They have won Munster and All Irelands underage in the recent past and have as talented a squad of hurlers as any other top county. The problem last year was too many injuries. From the outside looking at the performances this year you would have to look to the management. The players havent become bad overnight and it is the management's job to keep them motivated and get the best out of them....." Players have to have the heart and desire to win too, that has to come from within each person. The sight of Austin Gleeson sauntering around the pitch looking half hearted like so many others is criminal to see. Guys have to take a long hard look at themselves. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 03/06/2019 23:24:18 2190361 Link
Replying To skillet: "No, they probably don't. I agree. they do need a serious look at themselves though. Maybe I wandered off topic in my other post, but it was the 'dread', for want of a better word in the crowd that struck me. It was palpable how little faith their own people had in them. That's the thing, is it coaching management, psychology etc, self belief? The context I was coming from was we contested an AI in 2007,had a decent team with u21 winners in it that went into free fall after, culminating in the terrible hammering in 09.. So we went from All ireland finalists to getting whipped in 2years. Much like waterford now... Maybe it's a false comparison, I hope so, they've some fine hurlers but something seriously out of sync at the core of their setup." I personally think getting mentally right or psychology is very important. Interestingly you lads got a sports psychologist on board last year and Galway lost theirs from the year before I was told? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11962 - 04/06/2019 07:01:57 2190373 Link
Replying To Viking66: "I personally think getting mentally right or psychology is very important. Interestingly you lads got a sports psychologist on board last year and Galway lost theirs from the year before I was told?" They were not ready to play mentally or physically and this was evident from the first five minutes of the Clare game. In all honesty they looked like a junior team out of their depth. Austin is a skillful player but blown up way too much. Those nice touches and flicks don't win you championships. Get down and dirty by grafting it out winning hard ball. Put him centre back and if he can not cut it there don't play him. On Sat try restoring some pride. Team to play Nolan, D.Lyons, Prunty, C.Lyons, DeBurca, A.Gleeson, C.Gleeson,Pendegast,Barron, Brick, Foran,Curran, Bennett, Bennett and Hogan in those position. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2663 - 04/06/2019 13:36:32 2190505 Link
Austin Gleeson needs to be either put CB or MF altogether, I personally would put him CB and he is such a good hurler he would cover MF anyway...such a waste of talent up front...even at CB I think he would still forage through on runs and either score/set up scores or get fouled for frees...cannot understand how its persisted with leaving him upfront....its clearly not working... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 04/06/2019 13:54:56 2190513 Link
The Waterford players need to have a long hard look at themselves. Too busy going around thinking they are a good team, looking for everything to be handed to them on a plate. It's a poor sign when Austin Gleeson is downing tools for a man from his own club. The egos is the biggest problem in Waterford fellas too worried about getting frees cars etc. hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 04/06/2019 15:13:19 2190534 Link
Replying To PaudieSull1: "...Christ get over yourself and the chip on your shoulder....ye had a free run to an all Ireland semi final for most years and could do damn all with it on most occasion.......now you are on talking nonsense about Munster championship.....there have always been poor games in Munster, 1982 and 1983 finals are real examples but then 1984 was a pure classic that's the way of it I don't hear anyone on this forum from Tipp, Cork etc saying the Munster championship is always brilliant but 7 out of ten times it is......some of the chip on the shoulder stuff on here from Galway and Wexford folk in particular is getting boring......" Have no chip on my shoulder or anywhere else.Was just responding to comment that the MHC was historically great.Why are so uncomfortable and defensive when reminded that it's wasnt an unending series of classics? Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 04/06/2019 15:57:40 2190551 Link
Replying To Barnowl94: "Clare V Tipp in Ennis Ladies and gents. I rest my case." Only for the crazy system that allowed ye to only play one meaningful game then in the all ireland you would have far less all irelands that ye have took ye years in Leinster to win anything dont think you can throw stones now clooney (Clare) - Posts: 891 - 04/06/2019 16:15:00 2190557 Link
Replying To hurlorhurley: "The Waterford players need to have a long hard look at themselves. Too busy going around thinking they are a good team, looking for everything to be handed to them on a plate. It's a poor sign when Austin Gleeson is downing tools for a man from his own club. The egos is the biggest problem in Waterford fellas too worried about getting frees cars etc." I don't think Brick Walsh has or ever had an ego, or Kevin Moran and Noel Connors. Does Tadgh DeBurca act like a man with an ego. May be some have but as in any team, but casting that as a sweeping statement is very unfair and smacks of just a dislike of our county. Something we would never have for Wexford and would love to see them win an All-Ireland. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2663 - 04/06/2019 17:05:17 2190574 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I don't think Brick Walsh has or ever had an ego, or Kevin Moran and Noel Connors. Does Tadgh DeBurca act like a man with an ego. May be some have but as in any team, but casting that as a sweeping statement is very unfair and smacks of just a dislike of our county. Something we would never have for Wexford and would love to see them win an All-Ireland." Alot of Wexford supporters I know would like Waterford. At the end of the day most people I know support their own county but love the game of hurling as a whole as well. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11962 - 04/06/2019 19:53:12 2190627 Link
Replying To clooney: "Only for the crazy system that allowed ye to only play one meaningful game then in the all ireland you would have far less all irelands that ye have took ye years in Leinster to win anything dont think you can throw stones now" I agree it was a crazy system but that wasn't our doing. Yes we started the championship at semi final level but that meant we were thrown in against Munster or Leinster champs.Nothing handy about that. Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 05/06/2019 00:04:26 2190718 Link
Replying To Barnowl94: "Have no chip on my shoulder or anywhere else.Was just responding to comment that the MHC was historically great.Why are so uncomfortable and defensive when reminded that it's wasnt an unending series of classics?" Because nobody from Munster ever said it was a never ending series of classics......Galway and Wexford posters in particular seem to have a real issue with Munster championship, don't hear the same moaning from KK posters......Galway have won a single all Ireland since 1988 , that has f@ck all to do with Munster championship and all to do with their own failings PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 05/06/2019 10:04:50 2190760 Link
Replying To PaudieSull1: "...Christ get over yourself and the chip on your shoulder....ye had a free run to an all Ireland semi final for most years and could do damn all with it on most occasion.......now you are on talking nonsense about Munster championship.....there have always been poor games in Munster, 1982 and 1983 finals are real examples but then 1984 was a pure classic that's the way of it I don't hear anyone on this forum from Tipp, Cork etc saying the Munster championship is always brilliant but 7 out of ten times it is......some of the chip on the shoulder stuff on here from Galway and Wexford folk in particular is getting boring......" ouchie! did you get out of the wrong side of bed this morning haha! If someone has this supposed chip on their shoulder let them be, its their right to be moody and bitter if they like! Don't then make digs about semi finals and free runs. We didn't want it that way but its not our fault nobody else can hurl in connacht. I am sure Antrim feel the same way about having nobody but Dire Down to play against in ulster. I look forward to your big bite haha! Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 05/06/2019 10:14:19 2190764 Link
Replying To PaudieSull1: "Because nobody from Munster ever said it was a never ending series of classics......Galway and Wexford posters in particular seem to have a real issue with Munster championship, don't hear the same moaning from KK posters......Galway have won a single all Ireland since 1988 , that has f@ck all to do with Munster championship and all to do with their own failings" Its not that we Galway and Wexford posters have an issue about the Munster Championship I watch it every year and enjoy it immensely. What we have an issue with is Munster posters running down Leinster counties and the Leinster championship based on 1 game played in a really bad swirling wind when this years MHC hasnt exactly been a classic so far! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11962 - 05/06/2019 12:30:12 2190824 Link
Waterford seemed to have gone away from the things which made them a very difficult team to beat over the last number of years. I understand Derek McGrath's greatest critics came from within the County. I'm sure Fanning wont be there next year and it will be interesting to see how the next guy does! Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 05/06/2019 13:00:21 2190839 Link
Time to fix things, please spread the word about his petition and we might at least create a debate about structural change which is badly needed in waterford. http://chng.it/XtTrdLkvLw Déisesupporter (Waterford) - Posts: 2 - 05/06/2019 13:04:00 2190843 Link
Time for structural change in Waterford, if you want to see change that will enable us to develop Gaa I. Waterford please sign this petition and share it with people who care about our future. http://chng.it/XtTrdLkvLw Déisesupporter (Waterford) - Posts: 2 - 05/06/2019 13:07:51 2190845 Link
Replying To PaudieSull1: "Because nobody from Munster ever said it was a never ending series of classics......Galway and Wexford posters in particular seem to have a real issue with Munster championship, don't hear the same moaning from KK posters......Galway have won a single all Ireland since 1988 , that has f@ck all to do with Munster championship and all to do with their own failings" What has what Galway have won got to do with it? You are the lad that seems to have a chip on the shoulder. Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 05/06/2019 14:32:06 2190887 Link
One of the big problems I see with Waterford right now is the lack of ability to score goals. The annoying thing is they have the players but the systems they have played don't allow it. The two Bennetts, Tommy Ryan and Dunford are very mobile and at least three of them are extremely fast too. I don't see that pace being properly exploited. Tommy Ryan must be one of the fastest players in the game right now if not the fastest. Waterford teams want to play with style and panache, they don't want shackles and systems. The under 21 winning team ripped sides apart and were one of the best all Ireland winning under 21 teams over the last 20 years. The senior team plays nothing like them. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 05/06/2019 16:42:45 2190933 Link
Replying To Déisesupporter: "Time for structural change in Waterford, if you want to see change that will enable us to develop Gaa I. Waterford please sign this petition and share it with people who care about our future. Yes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://chng.it/XtTrdLkvLw" Yes the East and West boards should go. Just one thing. We do not have the resources to support this structure and its biases has never gone away. A county wide Intermediate A championship with two promoted and two relegated from senior each year. Allow players who are good enough from Junior and Intermediate B play with senior or Intermediate A teams as well as their own club. A hurling board with qualified people leading the way. Only when the local game standard improves will the fortunates of the county team. It is a terrible indictment of a good hurling county that we have 2 All-Irelands one more than Kerry (no disrespect) and seven appearances in over 100 years. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2663 - 05/06/2019 18:23:57 2190961 Link
Shane Dowling seems to be as good an impact sub as there is in hurling. which begs the question why doesnt he get more starts for Limerick? is it a fitness issue or just part of the game plan? SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 05/06/2019 20:48:45 2191001 Link