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Probably yellow, but tough call in real time. m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 29/05/2019 15:40:33 2188872 Link 0 |
More like different refs. However the same ref that decided Mannions challenge was a red decided Niall Morgans challenge on Paddy Andrews in which his jaw was broken, merely warranted a yellow so go figure.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 29/05/2019 15:42:21 2188874 Link 5 |
If you watch the clip again, you will see after the impact that his elbow is rising which doesnt look good with a man on the floor. Im not saying there was contact with the elbow for one second, it just that it gives the ref a decision to make. In my view it is not a red, it a yellow and a warning to watch himself but that is not know it is being ref'd this year so players will need to adapt. I have a feeling over the next few weeks that this will calm down and later in the season the same hit will be yellow. juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 29/05/2019 15:59:34 2188881 Link 0 |
I think it was a red same as one on Paddy Andrews. After he hits the Louth player if lifts his elbow up for me. doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 29/05/2019 16:07:35 2188884 Link 0 |
Yeah sure double standards at work, slow it down frame by frame it will confirm societies worse fears!!
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 29/05/2019 16:11:11 2188886 Link 1 |
Typical anti dub comment , well done you should be proud of yourself
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 29/05/2019 16:26:54 2188895 Link 1 |
Same ref. Different interpretations of both incidents. One lad got a broken jaw one lad got back up.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 29/05/2019 16:34:35 2188897 Link 5 |
Why was it bizarre? They did the exact same thing (Sunday game) with Mooney's shoulder the week before in the Armagh v Down game. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 29/05/2019 16:40:05 2188899 Link 6 |
2 quick questions on the rules for football, if a player gets a black card can a sub come on in his place I thought I heard Ger Canning say last weekend that a team has to finish the game with 14 men after a black card is shown yet I though Mayo put on a player after Andy Moran got black carded riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 29/05/2019 17:40:54 2188920 Link 0 |
You are allowed to make 6 Subs - it was originally 5 but changed to 6 following the introduction of the black card. jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 29/05/2019 18:23:57 2188934 Link 0 |
An outcome of a tackle should not decide card colour.
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 31/05/2019 18:26:34 2189465 Link 1 |
The important part of this post was it was the same ref but he interpreted the tackle differently in both cases. Maybe my post was misleading. Apologies.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 31/05/2019 18:44:17 2189468 Link 4 |
Never a red card. Watch the Sunday Game replay. Frame by frame, it is clearly shoulder to shoulder.
fingalman (Dublin) - Posts: 233 - 31/05/2019 18:53:46 2189472 Link 0 |
not having a go at ya, but if it wasnt a yellow or red what new colored card would you like to be introduced to the game as if theres not enough confusion about cards already? in real time it is a red all day long but as a ref you have a couple of seconds to decide, and at the end of the day which ever card you give the ref will be wrong
mrme (USA) - Posts: 22 - 31/05/2019 19:06:26 2189476 Link 0 |
Ref can't watch it frame by frame though, makes the call based on what he sees in realtime even if it means making a mistake sometimes.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7369 - 31/05/2019 20:17:18 2189488 Link 5 |
Anyone at the game on that side of the pitch would know that the ref did not see the incident at all and only stopped play on communication from the linesman, in real time the point of contact ,head, chest or shoulder, difficult to decide, video evidence shows no contact with the Louth player's head, yellow card would have been the right decision, and with no prejudice to the officials the red card should be rescinded. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 685 - 31/05/2019 21:37:42 2189511 Link 0 |
What I meant was that in the split second the ref has to make the call its easy to see how either decision is made. No new colour card, just everyone behaving like adults and realise that a ref giving a yellow in that instance, or a red in that instance, are equally valid decisions imo. These split second decisions aren't necessarily black and white. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 31/05/2019 21:44:06 2189513 Link 5 |
Firstly you can only go by what the incident looked like in real time . It looked like a heavy challenge and the elbow does look as if it followed through . Refs don't have frame by frame slow mo . Secondly I feel legitimate shoulder tackles have now almost been unofficially taken out of football as a result of how the game is being refereed . Can you imagine how Paraic Maher's shoulder on Joe Canning in the 2016 All Ireland semi final would have been dealt with in football ? Look back too on Gearoid McInerney's shoulder on Maher in the 20-7 semi final . What would have happened in football ? I think Paul Mannion's red card will be rescinded on appeal . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 01/06/2019 10:06:37 2189575 Link 0 |
It's clearly not. It's a frontal charge, you can't shoulder from the front into the top of a man's chest, it needs to be side by side, standing up with feet on the ground. How Whelan thought it was a fair shoulder is beyond me
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2407 - 01/06/2019 10:52:16 2189578 Link 1 |
Of course you can't. And Mannion didn't. Red card will most probably be deservedly rescinded.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 01/06/2019 12:02:49 2189595 Link 5 |