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Davy Hard Done By?

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Replying To festinog:  "You'd swear his was the first team in the history of sport who was hard done by a referee's decision. And all this nonsense of running onto a pitch and picking fights with the ref is looking increasingly like a pretty cynical attempt to influence the game and send a message to his players. I was indifferent to him before, but I'm growing tired of him now; if that's what he has to offer as a manager, cheap stunts and belittling match officials to get a rise out of his players, then his days as a manager are almost done."
I'll remind you of the conduct of your U21 hurling manager after normal time in the U21 Leinster final last year. It was far in excess of anything Davy did on Sunday.
Also Micheal Donoghue is well able to dish it out on the line.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1733 - 29/05/2019 09:27:52    2188729

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Replying To Ej:  "5 months for what?
What did he say?
What did he do on Sunday that Cody doesn't do?"
Cody has had his incidents with officials, but doesn't run onto the pitch like Davy does?

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 29/05/2019 12:06:53    2188770

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Replying To Ej:  "5 months for what?
What did he say?
What did he do on Sunday that Cody doesn't do?"
No excuses for Cody but he doesnt run on the field.

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 533 - 29/05/2019 12:34:29    2188780

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Cody has had his incidents with officials, but doesn't run onto the pitch like Davy does?"
I have just watched the incident for the third, fourth and fifth time just in case my eyes were deceiving me in my senior years (yet again).
Nope.....Davy did not even put one little piggy wiggy over the line.
The referee, had made up his mind to send him to the stands and signalled as such without even consulting the linesman.
Watch a recording of the incident and tell me what you saw

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 29/05/2019 12:38:40    2188784

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Lads for peats sake if a player or manager makes a mistake they are punished for it. Moments like Sundays game which irked Davy can define a season you can't blame him.
Far too often officials have got key moments wrong in a game and nothing is ever done.
We're always told that referees are human but I'm sorry so are managers and players.
Heat of the moment stuff and look what is considered abuse tell me?
Telling an offical off cos he got a decision wrong isint abuse and while Davy is animated yes you can't argue there but if he was my manager id be fecking thrilled to know he was backing up my team.
If this was any other manager I'm sure this conversation would be different but cos it's Davy everyone jumps on the bandwagon to slate him.
That man has raw passion while OTT and he makes this championship have an edge. Seriously put him into Offaly and they will be back hurling in the big time competing. Give the man a break his done it all owes no one anything and his still going."
I think Ireland, and the GAA needs more Davy's! At least the post game interviews would be distinguishable from one another.

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 96 - 29/05/2019 13:17:39    2188806

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Replying To festinog:  "You'd swear his was the first team in the history of sport who was hard done by a referee's decision. And all this nonsense of running onto a pitch and picking fights with the ref is looking increasingly like a pretty cynical attempt to influence the game and send a message to his players. I was indifferent to him before, but I'm growing tired of him now; if that's what he has to offer as a manager, cheap stunts and belittling match officials to get a rise out of his players, then his days as a manager are almost done."
It was 2 bits of dirty dangerous play on the same young player that an otherwise overly whistle happy referee and his linesmen and 4th official didnt see that p*ssed Davy off Id say.......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 29/05/2019 14:30:43    2188841

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He had an instance whereby Greg Kennedy got involved on the pitch and people went mad. Not Davy storms onto the pitch and hes being hard done by. Whether the decision was right or wrong, it wasn't seen by the officials so you have to get on with it. People talking about getting a reaction out of his players, He is obviously not doing a good job in motivating his players then which is his job.

Whether he was swearing or not is not the point here. He was roaring into the face of someone. That not acceptable by any manner. Cody, Sheehy, O donoghue, Kiely never get that wound up with the officials.

Until such time as instances like this get punished, we will continue to see the same behavior continue. Not punishing it sends out the wrong message regarding the treatment of referees.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 29/05/2019 14:52:45    2188852

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Replying To juicy:  "He had an instance whereby Greg Kennedy got involved on the pitch and people went mad. Not Davy storms onto the pitch and hes being hard done by. Whether the decision was right or wrong, it wasn't seen by the officials so you have to get on with it. People talking about getting a reaction out of his players, He is obviously not doing a good job in motivating his players then which is his job.

Whether he was swearing or not is not the point here. He was roaring into the face of someone. That not acceptable by any manner. Cody, Sheehy, O donoghue, Kiely never get that wound up with the officials.

Until such time as instances like this get punished, we will continue to see the same behavior continue. Not punishing it sends out the wrong message regarding the treatment of referees."
Davy wasnt on the pitch

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 29/05/2019 15:46:22    2188875

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his ire should have been directed at the linesman who missed everything all day.missed damien reck being clothes lined,got 2 line balls wrong (1 each way),missed the wide from jason flynn which the whole stand behind him know was wide,and missed Conor whelan hitting damien reck in the face.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 29/05/2019 15:55:52    2188879

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Replying To juicy:  "He had an instance whereby Greg Kennedy got involved on the pitch and people went mad. Not Davy storms onto the pitch and hes being hard done by. Whether the decision was right or wrong, it wasn't seen by the officials so you have to get on with it. People talking about getting a reaction out of his players, He is obviously not doing a good job in motivating his players then which is his job.

Whether he was swearing or not is not the point here. He was roaring into the face of someone. That not acceptable by any manner. Cody, Sheehy, O donoghue, Kiely never get that wound up with the officials.

Until such time as instances like this get punished, we will continue to see the same behavior continue. Not punishing it sends out the wrong message regarding the treatment of referees."
Juicy, go look at a video of the incident. Then come back and tell me when he even tiptoed across the white line never mind 'storms on to the pitch'.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 29/05/2019 16:17:34    2188889

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Replying To juicy:  "He had an instance whereby Greg Kennedy got involved on the pitch and people went mad. Not Davy storms onto the pitch and hes being hard done by. Whether the decision was right or wrong, it wasn't seen by the officials so you have to get on with it. People talking about getting a reaction out of his players, He is obviously not doing a good job in motivating his players then which is his job.

Whether he was swearing or not is not the point here. He was roaring into the face of someone. That not acceptable by any manner. Cody, Sheehy, O donoghue, Kiely never get that wound up with the officials.

Until such time as instances like this get punished, we will continue to see the same behavior continue. Not punishing it sends out the wrong message regarding the treatment of referees."
You obviously have never been to a Kilkenny match.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 29/05/2019 16:19:10    2188891

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Replying To juicy:  "He had an instance whereby Greg Kennedy got involved on the pitch and people went mad. Not Davy storms onto the pitch and hes being hard done by. Whether the decision was right or wrong, it wasn't seen by the officials so you have to get on with it. People talking about getting a reaction out of his players, He is obviously not doing a good job in motivating his players then which is his job.

Whether he was swearing or not is not the point here. He was roaring into the face of someone. That not acceptable by any manner. Cody, Sheehy, O donoghue, Kiely never get that wound up with the officials.

Until such time as instances like this get punished, we will continue to see the same behavior continue. Not punishing it sends out the wrong message regarding the treatment of referees."
Just brought myself to read your post properly. The lad Kennedy went over and "marked" a player 10 yards away from where he was and caught a ball meant for that player. Thats worse than any other sideline/ management transgression I ever saw in any sport. Its cheating- the worst offense in any sport. And Cody quite rightly got very animated about it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 29/05/2019 16:38:02    2188898

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Replying To Ej:  "Juicy, go look at a video of the incident. Then come back and tell me when he even tiptoed across the white line never mind 'storms on to the pitch'."
Think you need to go back and look at it and youll see he was on the pitch

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 29/05/2019 16:59:45    2188908

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Replying To Viking66:  "Just brought myself to read your post properly. The lad Kennedy went over and "marked" a player 10 yards away from where he was and caught a ball meant for that player. Thats worse than any other sideline/ management transgression I ever saw in any sport. Its cheating- the worst offense in any sport. And Cody quite rightly got very animated about it."
fair enough instances arent the same, but my point was that both were caused by management being on the field which I dont believe is required, especially not anymore when everyone is Mic'd up including the Water/Hurley men.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 29/05/2019 17:07:46    2188911

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Bad officials should not be tolerated in the game whether linesman referee 4th official or umpire.
Every year = 5 or 6 decisions which influence a game and managers plus players put lives on hold to get lost cos they screwed up.
Then we have the haters on social media Davy this Davy that Davy abuses refs Davy influences referees nonsense.
The likes of Cody and Davy are very rarely wrong in hurling terms of analysis of games and why it was won or lost. Both have hurling on the brain and lick it or like it they are exceptional managers.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 29/05/2019 17:38:23    2188919

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Replying To juicy:  "Think you need to go back and look at it and youll see he was on the pitch"
I've watched it 5 times now. No idea what you were looking at

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 29/05/2019 17:44:55    2188922

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Replying To juicy:  "fair enough instances arent the same, but my point was that both were caused by management being on the field which I dont believe is required, especially not anymore when everyone is Mic'd up including the Water/Hurley men."
Only going on memory but was he not in the area between the coaches area and the sideline? Personally I dont see the need for anyone other than the players, referee, and medical staff to be on the pitch. Maybe 2 refs in hurling as the game has sped up so much in the last 15 years but thats a different debate altogether!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 29/05/2019 17:46:55    2188924

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Bad officials should not be tolerated in the game whether linesman referee 4th official or umpire.
Every year = 5 or 6 decisions which influence a game and managers plus players put lives on hold to get lost cos they screwed up.
Then we have the haters on social media Davy this Davy that Davy abuses refs Davy influences referees nonsense.
The likes of Cody and Davy are very rarely wrong in hurling terms of analysis of games and why it was won or lost. Both have hurling on the brain and lick it or like it they are exceptional managers."
Cop out wild. Bad officials or officials making mistakes is corrected just like players making mistakes is.
refs get all the slack when they may make a mistake but no praise or very little praise when games go very well and all things work out.
Davy does abuse refs. Cody and Davy may not be wrong much related to hurling issues but that still doesnt excuse eithers actions towards officials

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 29/05/2019 22:51:02    2188982

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "It's not one bit inaccurate. They were asked if they would like the alleged offences to be published to exonerate them and they declined due to the content that was in them. In any case to get 5 months it must've been pretty serious.

You could confirm though what leaked video Poacher is talking about in recent interview? He says it was leaked by Laois to get them banned but then wished everybody could see it to prove their innocence??? I don't get how the same video could get you banned and prove your innocence?"
Sorry for the delay.

The referee's report contained the worded charges brought against TO'B, SP, and BM, which was contested without success, the suspensions were later handed down, they appealed their suspensions because they disagreed with at least part of the charges brought against them and the lengthily suspension, the charges and suspensions were up held in their entirety, but in the interest of all and sundry they accepted their suspensions full stop, you say , "(Turlough O Brien and Steven Poacher wouldn't let the referees report be published because of what it was "alleged" they said to him") it's said that if it was published so too would be the part that they didn't agree with, the media would then use it to expand the issue further without apparent fairness.

It was their intention to push this case to the outer limits to send out the signal to the rest of the country that they mean business to eradicate, physical abuse, violence, cynical aggression and verbal abuse, and rightly so none of which I condone. By all accounts suspend them, but do it with the dignity and fairness that they are entitled to, as you rightly pointed out, 5 months, where did that come from, was it measured with a digital Vernier, why not 6 months, better still, why not suspend each one of them for, 3 / 4 / or 5 months each, to make it fair and equitable.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 30/05/2019 10:19:11    2189028

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It's a fact that officials make mistakes often not as many as players and managers but it's not acceptable to be roaring at them during or after matches. This behaviour is replicated by every loo ball at club level who thinks he's doing everything he can to instill a winning attitude and be seen doing it. Problem is it's putting people off reffing and most of them wouldn't be right in their interpetations of the rules. By all means give more powers to linesmen and even 4th officials and down grade those not up to it but leave the playing of the game to those on the pitch

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 30/05/2019 11:04:56    2189041

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