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Can A D4 Or D3 Ever Win Sam?

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Any suggestions? Can any current or future d3 or 4 team ever win sam? Any ideas who might be developing well to challenge in the future? Canuckgael (USA) - Posts: 31 - 24/05/2019 03:18:43 2187035 Link
Replying To Canuckgael: "Any suggestions? Can any current or future d3 or 4 team ever win sam? Any ideas who might be developing well to challenge in the future?" If the question is "ever", then you'd have to say yes, of course. Forever is a long time, after all... which team it might be is a different question and if I had to put money on one I'd give the very surprising answer of Wicklow. Proximity to Dublin is probably my main factor and the population is only likely to grow, plus, their underage structure seems to be improving a lot and were starting to see some very good minor teams from them. Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 24/05/2019 09:35:40 2187056 Link
Nothing is impossible when you think that Leicester city came from nowhere to win the premier league a few years ago. But the likelihood of that happening was 5000/1, I thnk it cold be even more for a team like Leitrim to win Sam. So, in my lifetime, id say its extremely unlikely, waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 24/05/2019 09:38:36 2187057 Link
Definitely not beyond the realms of possibility that teams like Down, Derry and especially Cork will return to the top table. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9154 - 24/05/2019 09:59:39 2187059 Link
It is of course possible but pretty improbable, in recent memory the best div3 team to challenge for Sam was Monaghan in 2013. They won Ulster and were very unlucky not to beat Tyrone in the QFs (think Sean Cavanagh might have done something that day!). But going forward, sure who knows, div3 next year looks quite strong with a good mix of competitive smaller population counties and some larger counties who maybe aren't performing as well as they should be. Will it produce an AI winner though? Unlikely. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 24/05/2019 10:18:19 2187064 Link
No, I can't see it. A team that has played Div 3 or Div 4 at points in their history could do it of course. However a team that is playing their season at that level in the league is not going to win sam. It would be a push to make QF/Super 8 stage. Monaghan made QF in 2013 when playing division 3 but their league position was artificially low at the time. Back to back relegation under Eamonn McE had them down there. It was the same team Banty had in Div 1 and the same team that MOR brought back to Div 1 (for the most part) Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 24/05/2019 10:30:13 2187068 Link
Replying To Sweetspot: "If the question is "ever", then you'd have to say yes, of course. Forever is a long time, after all... which team it might be is a different question and if I had to put money on one I'd give the very surprising answer of Wicklow. Proximity to Dublin is probably my main factor and the population is only likely to grow, plus, their underage structure seems to be improving a lot and were starting to see some very good minor teams from them." Can't see it happening. I was talking to a relative who lives in Wicklow and he helps out with underage teams there. It's light years away from more successful counties. Yes there's population, but you need a culture and committed people on the ground to drive it. Wicklow should be strong, but even large clubs there struggle for numbers and organisation in underage blitzes and such, and it's the bare minimum being done in places. I'm in no way putting everyone in this, you definitely have your committed volunteers, but you need a sea change and everyone (grassroots and boards) pulling in the right direction, not just the few. The parents need to buy in too. I just think if they've never had a culture of doing what is needed to get to the top, then they'll never get there without major change. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2401 - 24/05/2019 11:43:49 2187080 Link
Replying To Gator: "No, I can't see it. A team that has played Div 3 or Div 4 at points in their history could do it of course. However a team that is playing their season at that level in the league is not going to win sam. It would be a push to make QF/Super 8 stage. Monaghan made QF in 2013 when playing division 3 but their league position was artificially low at the time. Back to back relegation under Eamonn McE had them down there. It was the same team Banty had in Div 1 and the same team that MOR brought back to Div 1 (for the most part)" In '08 Wexford played in Division 3 in the league and went on to make the AI semi-finals, losing to eventual champions Tyrone by 6, though they stayed close until the very end. FloggingSully (USA) - Posts: 11 - 24/05/2019 13:35:38 2187112 Link
No summerhillof69 (Meath) - Posts: 226 - 24/05/2019 14:53:00 2187120 Link
Seriously? How do these ideas come into the head of posters? The answer is 100 per cent yes and anyone who says otherwise needs a lie down. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 24/05/2019 15:02:08 2187121 Link
Replying To FloggingSully: "In '08 Wexford played in Division 3 in the league and went on to make the AI semi-finals, losing to eventual champions Tyrone by 6, though they stayed close until the very end." I remember that. Gap has probably widened considerably between the divisions since then and the teams at the top are just so fit and well prepared now that it would probably be impossible to repeat the feat. That was a good Wexford team led by Mattie Forde who was one of the best if not the best forward in the game. He went off injured early iirc in that game which was a huge blow for Wexford. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 24/05/2019 15:15:04 2187126 Link
Just to clear it up. May have worded it badly. Was looking for opinions if a team in D3 or D4 could win sam the same year as being in those divisions. Canuckgael (USA) - Posts: 31 - 24/05/2019 15:31:04 2187130 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "Seriously? How do these ideas come into the head of posters? The answer is 100 per cent yes and anyone who says otherwise needs a lie down." Maybe you need a lie down. It's just a forum for opinions. Anyway, No is the answer. gaelicgab (USA) - Posts: 878 - 24/05/2019 15:36:50 2187135 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Can't see it happening. I was talking to a relative who lives in Wicklow and he helps out with underage teams there. It's light years away from more successful counties. Yes there's population, but you need a culture and committed people on the ground to drive it. Wicklow should be strong, but even large clubs there struggle for numbers and organisation in underage blitzes and such, and it's the bare minimum being done in places. I'm in no way putting everyone in this, you definitely have your committed volunteers, but you need a sea change and everyone (grassroots and boards) pulling in the right direction, not just the few. The parents need to buy in too. I just think if they've never had a culture of doing what is needed to get to the top, then they'll never get there without major change." God I hope you're right, considering I live in the border.. it was a very hypothetical statement and I agree about them being light years away right now, I just think that of all the counties in d3/4, they'll be the ones that might push forward on the resource front which will be huge going forward. Maybe they won't though? Who knows? Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 24/05/2019 16:44:18 2187153 Link
Were Tipperary a Division 3 team when they reached the football semi final in 2016? Wexford in 2008 certinaly were.Two more wins at that stage to be champs is certainly not impossible, but it has to be said extremly unlikely. Mayo reached the All Ireland final and lost in a replay to meath in 1996 when they were a division 3 team. Thats the closest i can remember a division 3 or 4 team getting to winning Sam. In reality Mayo were all ireland champs, but Meath being Meath sent in a high ball from out the field in to the full forward line and it was allowed to bounce over the bar in the dying minutes to draw the first game, then won the replay by a point. The way football is going with a select few counties pulling away from everyone these days then the chances of even a div 3 or 4 team reaching the semi's again are lenghtening every year leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 645 - 24/05/2019 17:23:43 2187159 Link
Replying To leitrim4sam: "Were Tipperary a Division 3 team when they reached the football semi final in 2016? Wexford in 2008 certinaly were.Two more wins at that stage to be champs is certainly not impossible, but it has to be said extremly unlikely. Mayo reached the All Ireland final and lost in a replay to meath in 1996 when they were a division 3 team. Thats the closest i can remember a division 3 or 4 team getting to winning Sam. In reality Mayo were all ireland champs, but Meath being Meath sent in a high ball from out the field in to the full forward line and it was allowed to bounce over the bar in the dying minutes to draw the first game, then won the replay by a point. The way football is going with a select few counties pulling away from everyone these days then the chances of even a div 3 or 4 team reaching the semi's again are lenghtening every year" Tipperary were in div 2 in 2016 I'm nearly sure. blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 884 - 24/05/2019 17:31:03 2187162 Link
Replying To gaelicgab: "Maybe you need a lie down. It's just a forum for opinions. Anyway, No is the answer." No actually people should be called out for their daft posts. Imagine people thinking teams now in Division 3 and 4 now will never get back to the top table. Just silly stuff. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 24/05/2019 18:24:11 2187170 Link
Replying To Canuckgael: "Just to clear it up. May have worded it badly. Was looking for opinions if a team in D3 or D4 could win sam the same year as being in those divisions." Thanks for clarifying. The answer is No in that case. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 24/05/2019 18:25:35 2187171 Link
It's next to impossible for a division 1 team to win the allireland up against the blue behemoth that is the dubs not to mind someone from division 2-3-4. Although Donegal the last team to beat them were a division 2 team that year. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 24/05/2019 20:20:50 2187186 Link
D3 and D4 are areas in Dublin, so I guess they are the current champions;) PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 25/05/2019 16:05:53 2187298 Link