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I though at the time it was dangerous and deserved red. The more I see it the worse it looks. He has full view of the player in a prone position but draws on him anyway. Could have done some serious damage there. Whatever about arguing intent and giving the player the benefit of the doubt it's still red. At the time of the Cavan red I thought it was extremely stupid and deserved red. Looking back at the replay it's not as bad as it first looked but still red. Certainly not a flying elbow as some are trying to imply. It's a flailing arm and half catches him with the forehand and palm as he's in a low body position. Player made the most of it in front of referee so there was no real argument. Certainly seemed to be an Armagh tactic to ruffle Cavan players. Their red card was not the first sly knee dropped on a prone Cavan player on the ground either but definitely the most blatant. Certainly deserves a suspension. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 03/06/2019 20:08:03 2190303 Link 0 |
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Pierson didn't score. I think it was Steven Murray
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 04/06/2019 08:08:06 2190380 Link 0 |
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Yes he went to pull on the ball with full intent ...not to kick the player. I don't believe for a second there is footballer out there that would intentionally kick a player with that force. Grimley had committed to kicking the ball and the player came from the blind side to get down on the ball. Personally I think a yellow card sufficed. I agree Mc Veety got some close attention but that's how James morgan plays. He needs to learn when to stand off sometimes . Mc Veety is a great wee player tbf. Think Murray deserves some credit too who had a great impact off the bench... Very fast. intothemixer (UK) - Posts: 9 - 04/06/2019 10:48:48 2190423 Link 0 |
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Ruffle Cavans feathers??? haha. I'm under good information that McGeeney told the players to go out and make friends and make sure there markers had a enjoyable day out.
intothemixer (UK) - Posts: 9 - 04/06/2019 10:52:24 2190425 Link 0 |
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Yep, my mistake. It was Murray.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 04/06/2019 11:08:00 2190434 Link 0 |
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I'm at work all week listening to Down and Antrim people give out about Armagh and how Cavan were badly treated by the referee!! I don't think 1 or 2 people commenting on a forum is a '6 county syndrome' as you put it.
Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 04/06/2019 11:34:56 2190446 Link 0 |
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agreed
Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 04/06/2019 11:37:50 2190448 Link 0 |
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I get your point and we all want our players to play with an edge but his sail very close to the wind. All's fair in love and war I suppose but if you meet the wrong referee then you need to accept that when he goes to town on you. Doubt too many other counties would have much sympathy for him.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 04/06/2019 11:41:03 2190452 Link 0 |
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He didn't come from the blind side, he was right in front of him. Of course, no player goes out to intentionally hurt another, and I don't think that was Grimleys intention at all, however, he did act dangerously and recklessly in doing what he did, it's a straight red card all day long.
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 04/06/2019 11:48:43 2190455 Link 0 |
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Yeah, I think on another day (hopefully next Sunday) a competent referee picks up on Armagh's fouling, particularly off the ball, and we see a convincing Cavan win.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 04/06/2019 11:53:44 2190458 Link 0 |
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Some crying by the Cavan supporters I thought it was a good tight game, thought the ref give softer frees to cavan. But have to admit the Niall Grimley incident was borderline but correct decision and Donaghy rightly got sent off. Dont know why they are even appealing it. I think Armagh will still win the game I thought we were better and lead most of the game. We should have kicked on and not played keep the ball. Given that we could have lost it at end of normal time and ET Mackey completely changed the game. But I think Clarke O'Neill in particular will perform better and we can take the game. I think whoever loses will be unfairly punished as they will have to play the following week again and could effectively mean if they are to get to the super 8s will have to play 8 weeks in a row.
credit_crunch (Armagh) - Posts: 57 - 04/06/2019 12:15:59 2190470 Link 0 |
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Think Armagh will win replay if the referee next time also ignores off the ball fouling. These tactics worked - no wonder Armagh were responsible for the black card introduction. Easier to keep McVitty, Reilly etc out of the game if you can do what you like off the ball - I suppose they learned from watching Monaghan match . Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 65 - 04/06/2019 12:32:39 2190477 Link 0 |
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Mate, even the Armagh supporters beside me thought they got away with loads, they were laughing about it. If Faulkner, our best back, stayed on the field, and if Grimley was sent off (don't know how you're defending the yellow card here - it was a red all day long, if he meant it or not) then that might have been a very different game by the end. I admit that Cavan got some soft frees, but ye did too, and a few frees doesn't make up for some of the very bad decisions made against Cavan that I mention above. Hopefully the ref in the replay pulls on the pulling and dragging and targeting of players that went on the last day. Sure your assistant McCorry basically admitted your game plan after the game, at least be honest about the way ye played...
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2397 - 04/06/2019 12:44:52 2190482 Link 0 |
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I find it amusing that the Cavan fans are trying to get the referee on side with their constant moaning about Armagh's tackling. Cavan were no saints in that game and to the above poster blaming Armagh for the introduction of the black card - did you not see the Cavan player rugby tackle the Armagh player to the ground. Then of course you had many Cavan player going down easy. Helm82 (Armagh) - Posts: 13 - 04/06/2019 12:55:37 2190490 Link 0 |
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Such a load of crying from Cavan posters. What I'm reading is they didn't expect much of a challenge from Armagh as they've played in the lower leagues and Cavan beat Monaghan. As a consequence they believe only for the referree Cavan would have had a comfortable afternoon. I always knew this was a 50/50 game and the replay will go the same way. It'll likely go to ET again and will be another great game. Let the best team take the final spot. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 04/06/2019 12:59:43 2190493 Link 0 |
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Indeed, and that player who rugby tackled got a black card, as he should have done. The problem comes in when we had other decisions go against us (the first black card against Faulkner) and ye get away with a yellow for Donaghey. McVeety got hit high in the face a few times and ref copped out on those too. I have absolutely no problem with any player on our team getting a warranted card, but when we get unwarranted ones, and the other side get very lenient ones, it's just so frustrating. Anyway, we should all draw a line under it all, that game is over and it was level. If there was a loser last week, supporters for their side could be aggrieved, but both live to fight another day on Sunday. Just want consistency with decisions...
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2397 - 04/06/2019 13:06:46 2190495 Link 0 |
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Unfortunately every team is on the end of wrong decisions throughout the year and every team is at the dark arts. I do not think I have read a post from an Armagh fan coming out to defend Donaghy. It was a ridiculous/cynical challenge that was punished with a red card. Armagh management said they would appeal it based on what they were told - at this point it is my understanding they still had to see the incident again. I think that is fair, they are hardly going to comment on it without reviewing it first.
Helm82 (Armagh) - Posts: 13 - 04/06/2019 13:22:29 2190502 Link 0 |
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Everyone loves a good fair hard game, Let each team play football, no one likes to see slapping, pulling, dragging when the ball is at the other end of the pitch. Afters being delivered when a player is fouled. These deserve to draw sanction as well. Officials ignored them last Sunday, otherwise taking best players out will be common occurrence. Not a good scenario!!! Let's hope for another great game without the cynical off the ball stuff! Armagh probably slight favourites in another 50/50 game. fifty (Mayo) - Posts: 108 - 04/06/2019 13:43:02 2190507 Link 0 |
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Why? Did he give a penalty that wasn't a penalty in the first few mins? Lol. To be fair, I think the ref did come down harder on Cavan. It was inconsistent as Armagh had a few calls go against them too and it all points to what I had said in relation to the Cavan V Monaghan game. The quality of the ref is not good enough. Poor decisions can and do cost teams. Don't see how Faulkner got that black card. I think a draw was probably about right overall and I was surprised with Armagh as I expected Cavan to win by 2-3 points. Clarke had a quiet game for Armagh, I think if he plays the next day to his potential Armagh could actually win this out. Overall, good entertainment but its hard to see a winner of Ulster outside of Tyrone/Donegal. Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 04/06/2019 13:44:50 2190510 Link 0 |
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The days where fair hard hitting tackles are allowed have gone, too many players going to the ground too easily. If we want those days back then there needs to be a deterrent put in place to prevent it. I think the GAA's inability to deal with the initial issue has led to teams having to use the dark arts to gain an advantage. Helm82 (Armagh) - Posts: 13 - 04/06/2019 14:07:27 2190517 Link 0 |