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Firstly congrats to both sides on a great game. Sure the were loads of mistakes and bad decisions by the ref but both sides emptied the tank and a draw was the right result. Armagh were 4 points up about half way through the second half, similar to the Down game, so will be dissapointed they didnt win in normal time. Cian Mackey saved the game for Cavan, he started to dictate the game. Should Aramgh have stuck someone on him?
Jarlath Og was brilliant as was Killian Clarke for Cavan. Really difficult to pick a winner for the replay. Maybe Cavan can get more out of McKeirnan and Martin Reilly but if Armagh can show more discipline in their tackling they could win. I have been very impressed with both sides so far in the championship and they are going in the right direction.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 03/06/2019 12:43:59
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Replying To OGarmaile: "Thought the ref was very soft. Unfair on Armagh at times. Stifled the flow of the game. Saw nothing from Marty Reilly. Jarly Óg looks a player but Cian Mackey was the difference. He took the game by the scruff of the neck and if his last shot had pointed there was no way back for Armagh. Thought there was a total lack of composure from both sides especially Armagh. Indicates that the winner of this replay will not seriously challenge Tyrone or Donegal." Are Tyrone and Donegal really that far ahead of Cavan and Armagh? Not sure they are. Definitely the winner of the Tyrone and Donegal will go in as favourites to the Ulster final but the winner of this replay will be dangerous opponents.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 03/06/2019 12:46:39
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Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "Why wouldn't they be well marked in the replay? We'll have Faulkner back for the whole game, losing him in the first half changed the shape of the team as we had to move Killian Clarke to FB in his absence. Our defence has actually been very impressive this year, including from an attacking point of view.
The referee was abysmal, he was far from OK and his decisions favoured Armagh considerably i.e. giving Faulkner a black card and not giving Grimley the line. Crazy decision making.
Gearoid was good apart from the easy free that he sent into the sky and wide. That was our chance to win it, but look, I felt around the 50 minute mark yesterday that we were firmly dead and buried so I'm delighted to be still in with a chance the next day. I don't expect Martin Reilly to be so well shackled. We tried him in the FF line which didn't work out, so I'd say he'll be back to the wing the next day where he plays best." "I don't expect Martin Reilly to be so well shackled" Why?
O'Neill and especially Clarke were not effective on the day. What im saying is they could lift their game the next day and kick 10 between them which would be very difficult for Cavan to win. It was an opportunity for Cavan to win the game when Armagh's two best forwards were poor.
The ref gave Cavan a few easy frees. Now some of Armagh's tackling was poor. There was one where Mark Shields had head in his hands in the second half which wasn't a free.
Geroid kicked 5 wides - so no, he wasn't good.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 03/06/2019 12:47:08
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Replying To The_Fridge: ""I don't expect Martin Reilly to be so well shackled" Why?
O'Neill and especially Clarke were not effective on the day. What im saying is they could lift their game the next day and kick 10 between them which would be very difficult for Cavan to win. It was an opportunity for Cavan to win the game when Armagh's two best forwards were poor.
The ref gave Cavan a few easy frees. Now some of Armagh's tackling was poor. There was one where Mark Shields had head in his hands in the second half which wasn't a free.
Geroid kicked 5 wides - so no, he wasn't good." Hmmmm soft frees? You Tyrone boys are tough...keep up the image anyways .;)
.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 03/06/2019 13:30:33
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i see armagh are going to appeal the Donaghy incident !!!!!!!!!!!!
are these lads having a laugh - 2 knees into his back and he wants to appeal it.
flukey (Cavan) - Posts: 28 - 03/06/2019 13:42:38
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No harm but the state of Armagh appealing Donagheys red card (link to article on front page here), he dropped the knees into a man prone on the ground and they're going to appeal it... Jeez, it's a red all day long, take the punishment
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2399 - 03/06/2019 13:47:52
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "No harm but the state of Armagh appealing Donagheys red card ( link to article on front page here), he dropped the knees into a man prone on the ground and they're going to appeal it... Jeez, it's a red all day long, take the punishment"
Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 03/06/2019 14:19:11
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Replying To Green_Gold: "Are Tyrone and Donegal really that far ahead of Cavan and Armagh? Not sure they are. Definitely the winner of the Tyrone and Donegal will go in as favourites to the Ulster final but the winner of this replay will be dangerous opponents." They are miles ahead.
OGarmaile (Tyrone) - Posts: 248 - 03/06/2019 14:28:26
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It was a tough match yesterday and I'm happy we lived to fight another day. To come back from 4 points down was a good test of the character of this team.
I thought Niall Murray was magnificent and really gave it his all.
Gearoid was like the curates egg good in spots. He needs to up his work rate big time,
Mc aveety was also very prominent and got a lot of illegal attention from the opposition which the referee didn't give him frees for.
We need to get more consistency in the free taking, Conroy was lining up to take that free that Gearoid missed and he probably would have scored it.
The goalkeeper makes me nervous and I can see a nightmare coming at some stage.
Clones will be some spot next Sunday with the four teams.looking forward to it.
marita (None) - Posts: 467 - 03/06/2019 14:46:21
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Replying To marita: "It was a tough match yesterday and I'm happy we lived to fight another day. To come back from 4 points down was a good test of the character of this team.
I thought Niall Murray was magnificent and really gave it his all.
Gearoid was like the curates egg good in spots. He needs to up his work rate big time,
Mc aveety was also very prominent and got a lot of illegal attention from the opposition which the referee didn't give him frees for.
We need to get more consistency in the free taking, Conroy was lining up to take that free that Gearoid missed and he probably would have scored it.
The goalkeeper makes me nervous and I can see a nightmare coming at some stage.
Clones will be some spot next Sunday with the four teams.looking forward to it." If you push up on our kickouts there's definitely a kink there but it's a trade off Armagh seem happy to make. It's safety first, stay tight, try get their noses in front and see the game out. Don't think they're going to change at this stage I'd imagine. That mentality probably cost Armagh an extra AI or two when Geezer was a player. And it'll probably cost him plenty more games before his managerial career finishes.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 03/06/2019 15:30:33
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Replying To flukey: "i see armagh are going to appeal the Donaghy incident !!!!!!!!!!!!
are these lads having a laugh - 2 knees into his back and he wants to appeal it." They'll just play the video and then play the Ricey mcmenamin one from 2005 and he'll get off
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 03/06/2019 15:56:27
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Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "Unfair on Armagh? Are you for real buddy?! Faulkner wrongly gets a black card, and Grimley gets a yellow for a pull that could've seriously hurt someone? Daft refereeing. It must be that strange six county solidarity thing you have going on if you think he was harsh on Armagh." Black/yellow/red cards aside watching the game I thought the ref was harsh on Armagh. Cavan caught on very quickly get into the scoring zone fall and the ref will give a free in. BBC analysis mentioned some very soft Cavan frees which in particular got them back from the 4 point deficit. Yes the Armagh guy at the end should have got a red, but in terms of decisions which impacted the pattern of the game the Cavan frees kept them in it at crucial periods.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 03/06/2019 16:19:09
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Replying To sam1884: "Black/yellow/red cards aside watching the game I thought the ref was harsh on Armagh. Cavan caught on very quickly get into the scoring zone fall and the ref will give a free in. BBC analysis mentioned some very soft Cavan frees which in particular got them back from the 4 point deficit. Yes the Armagh guy at the end should have got a red, but in terms of decisions which impacted the pattern of the game the Cavan frees kept them in it at crucial periods." Black, yellow and red cards aside???
He got almost every card decision wrong - in Armagh's favour! How can you ignore that when analysing his performance??
On the 4 point comeback, 3 were from play, 2 from Mackey and 1 from Pierson. Hardly down to soft frees!
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 03/06/2019 16:51:08
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Replying To The_Fridge: ""I don't expect Martin Reilly to be so well shackled" Why?
O'Neill and especially Clarke were not effective on the day. What im saying is they could lift their game the next day and kick 10 between them which would be very difficult for Cavan to win. It was an opportunity for Cavan to win the game when Armagh's two best forwards were poor.
The ref gave Cavan a few easy frees. Now some of Armagh's tackling was poor. There was one where Mark Shields had head in his hands in the second half which wasn't a free.
Geroid kicked 5 wides - so no, he wasn't good." Because yesterday he was played in the FF line where he was under-utilised, it was clearly a strategy to thwart Armagh who would've expected him to play on the 40, but it backfired on us.
Clarke and O'Neill weren't effective because our defenders are better footballers than them and have the measure of them. Faulkner going off was a catastrophe due to some poor refereeing.
Again I emphasise that Armagh's forwards weren't poor, they were just up against a better standard of player than you get in division 2 or 3 of the league where they have been for the past 5 years or so.
The ref also gave Armagh a few easy frees, but do you know what he didn't give Grimley? A red card. But do you know what he gave Ciaran Brady? A red card. So there was zero consistency to his performance. Armagh scored 0-04 from frees, we scored 0-06, so no, frees didn't have any meaningful impact on the game.
Gearoid made some poor decisions on the ball unquestionably, but the work he got done was immense.
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 03/06/2019 17:06:22
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Replying To cavanman47: "Black, yellow and red cards aside???
He got almost every card decision wrong - in Armagh's favour! How can you ignore that when analysing his performance??
On the 4 point comeback, 3 were from play, 2 from Mackey and 1 from Pierson. Hardly down to soft frees!" I've noticed there's a six county syndrome here, people from Tyrone sticking up for Armagh despite glaring evidence contrary to their argument.
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 03/06/2019 17:07:38
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Replying To cavanman47: "Black, yellow and red cards aside???
He got almost every card decision wrong - in Armagh's favour! How can you ignore that when analysing his performance??
On the 4 point comeback, 3 were from play, 2 from Mackey and 1 from Pierson. Hardly down to soft frees!" Was about to post the same. We actually missed a few easy frees at crucial times that really killed us. It was Mackey, Murray and McVeety from play that kept us in the game and brought us back from the dead.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 03/06/2019 17:31:57
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Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "I've noticed there's a six county syndrome here, people from Tyrone sticking up for Armagh despite glaring evidence contrary to their argument." Tyrone sticking up for Armagh, Spillane loving the Ulster Championship. What has the world come to?
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 03/06/2019 17:37:21
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Replying To sam1884: "Tyrone sticking up for Armagh, Spillane loving the Ulster Championship. What has the world come to?" Ha ha I've certainly seen better games in the Ulster championship where Spillane lambasted the teams afterwards. It's more a case of a sign of the times than him mellowing. If Kerry can get the upper hand of the Dubs and a serious threat for Sam Maguire comes from up north then expect him to start hating it again.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 03/06/2019 17:54:32
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Some amount of crying being done on here.
In terms of the decisions being discussed the black card for the Cavan player was a yellow, the yellow card for Grimley was a rash tackle but accidental whereas the Cavan red card was clearly a deliberate attempt to swing out and elbow the armagh man which correctly merited a red card. Donaghy was also rightly sent off.
Overall I thought the ref gave Cavan quite a few very soft frees which was pointed out a number of times on the BBC .
In terms of the game I think Armagh threw it away personally. They have had this problem now for quite a while where they cant kill a team off as was evident throughout the league where on a number of occasions they have had comfortable leads yet still would manage to draw or lose the game.
From an armagh perspective another game wont be the worst as Armagh tend to get better the more games they get under there belt. Still would have Cavan slight favs going into next week but all to play for. Hopefully see Murnin start as he gives this armagh team a diff dimension when he plays.
intothemixer (UK) - Posts: 9 - 03/06/2019 18:10:08
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Replying To intothemixer: "Some amount of crying being done on here.
In terms of the decisions being discussed the black card for the Cavan player was a yellow, the yellow card for Grimley was a rash tackle but accidental whereas the Cavan red card was clearly a deliberate attempt to swing out and elbow the armagh man which correctly merited a red card. Donaghy was also rightly sent off.
Overall I thought the ref gave Cavan quite a few very soft frees which was pointed out a number of times on the BBC .
In terms of the game I think Armagh threw it away personally. They have had this problem now for quite a while where they cant kill a team off as was evident throughout the league where on a number of occasions they have had comfortable leads yet still would manage to draw or lose the game.
From an armagh perspective another game wont be the worst as Armagh tend to get better the more games they get under there belt. Still would have Cavan slight favs going into next week but all to play for. Hopefully see Murnin start as he gives this armagh team a diff dimension when he plays." Accidental? He went to pull on the ball with full intent, literally nothing accidental about it.
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 03/06/2019 18:19:51
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