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I think we should win now. Wind in 2nd half and a point up. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 26/05/2019 14:58:42 2187632 Link
Replying To dubarra: "There's absolutely nothing nice about it give me the cricket score in portlaoise last night any day at least we were looking at how the game should be played." Would you really take a game that's over after 5 minutes than a competitive game ?? waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 26/05/2019 15:19:00 2187640 Link
Replying To waynoI: "Would you really take a game that's over after 5 minutes than a competitive game ??" To answer your question yes. I can't watch this negative tripe thats been dished out by some teams. Dublin hammer most teams does that stop you watching them? dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 26/05/2019 16:01:54 2187656 Link
Sort of what we expected. Fermanagh are hard to play against but are limited enough in an attacking sense. People will give out about Rory but at least he has them competitive. Let's be honest here, if it was an open game of football Donegal would have won, and maybe quite easily. As it was, Fermanagh were still in with a shout until right near the end. The trouble is some people want it both ways. No to a tiered championship where teams of an similar standard can compete. But when Rory Gallagher does all he can to make Fermanagh as awkward an opponent as he can he gets ridiculed and accused of being anti football. If Fermanagh played an open match against us and were beaten well Rory and his team would have been accused of being tactically naive. That said I thought it strange they didn't bomb a few balls into our square a bit more, especially with the big man they brought on. For us it was a case of job done. Plenty of room for improvement. Paddy McGrath is a warrior! Maybe a wee bit lucky with his high tackle not to see red. Great to see Paddy McBrearty back! Undoubtedly rusty still but ominously getting back to his best. Jamie Brennan was excellent as well. He doesn't arse about getting his shots off. I also thought Jason McGee is starting to blossom into a quality performer at senior level. Roll on 2 weeks! Tyrone will be a massive step up. Can't wait! Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 26/05/2019 16:41:35 2187667 Link
Replying To dubarra: "To answer your question yes. I can't watch this negative tripe thats been dished out by some teams. Dublin hammer most teams does that stop you watching them?" Absolutely. I won't watch Leinster football if Dublin are playing. Complete waste of an afternoon. Or a Kerry game in Munster for that matter. I think that you are totally correct about Ulster tripe too but at least you get a tense game. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 26/05/2019 16:43:08 2187669 Link
Just home from what was a brutal game of football. Glad we won but if I was a neutral I'd have switched off. I'm delighted that Fermanaghs tactics weren't successful as it only encourages other teams to play that way. Positives for Donegal were that Mc Brearty got a full 70 and Jamie Brennan, Mc Grath and J Mc Gee were excellent. Negatives were Mc Grath and Mc Hugh injuries. Hard to know how we'll do against Tyrone as it'll be a different type of game but we still look porous at the back and after watching Tyrone last night I just think they're on a higher level than us and will score goals against us. Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 26/05/2019 16:51:50 2187673 Link
Replying To MuckrossHead: "This game will be a lot of things but a romp for Donegal won't be one of them. An already small Brewster has had the sidelines move in to limit space & Fermanagh will frustrate with a 14 or 15 man defence which Donegal will have to work really hard to break down. Granted a couple of early goals would change everything but I can see nothing but a hard earned win for Donegal." Catch a grip .. sidelines in Brewster in the same place as they always were.. and if you want to see spoiler football replay the antics of paddy McGrath .. embarrassed for the lad KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 334 - 26/05/2019 18:36:55 2187722 Link
Replying To dubarra: "There's absolutely nothing nice about it give me the cricket score in portlaoise last night any day at least we were looking at how the game should be played." God almighty, yet another in a depressingly long line of Dubs wittering on about how the game "should be played". There is no one perfect way to play the game, some are more entertaining than others granted, but that doesn't necessarily mean better. MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 26/05/2019 18:49:45 2187732 Link
Just back from the game and found the pattern entirely predictable. Fermanagh play the defensive aspect of that system well, but they do not have the forwards to counter attack with serious menace. They have the intensity in their tackling but ultimately they're predictable. Which is ultimately why Donegal under Rory Gallagher were hard to watch as a supporter; because they had zero variety. From a Donegal point of view, it's hard to say what we have really learned from that. We took our scores fairly well, we tightened up at the back in the second half. Jason McGee looks much more commanding in midfield now that he's a few years older. We looked very relaxed throughout today and business-like. Tyrone is a gigantic step-up and they will be favorites without a doubt after last summer in the Super 8s. The question is can Donegal match the fitness and conditioning of Tyrone for 70 plus minutes which we fell short of last year. Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 26/05/2019 18:53:23 2187735 Link
Replying To dubarra: "To answer your question yes. I can't watch this negative tripe thats been dished out by some teams. Dublin hammer most teams does that stop you watching them?" Im only asking the question. Each to their own. I suppose it all just depends, I think opinion may well vary depending on how you're watching the game For example, take last nights game between Dublin and Louth, from my perspective as a Dublin fan, when im watching Dublin, I want to see Dublin play as well as we possibly can, opposition and quality of the opposition is irrelevant. I do be looking at things with the blue tinted glasses. I want us to score as much as possible and concede as little as possible. But if you're a Louth man/woman sitting down watching Fermanagh v Donegal, you're probably thinking, jesus this is dire to watch, but god what i would've done to see us do a bit of that last night and have the Dubs sweat a bit and at least go into the final quarter with a little bit of "ya know what, you just never know". Its not entertaining but its not as demoralizing and disheartening if youre a Louth fan But as a neutral i totally understand why you'd turn that game off today and on the other end of the scale if Dublin were on the box last night i totally get why youd knock that off too. The game has always been about outscoring the opposition. That's how all team sports operate. If someone was smart enough and tactically astute enough/brave enough to try defensive systems decades ago the game would've changed back then too, it just so happens that its revolutionized in the last 10-15 years during this period. Fermanaghs aim, just like it was with Donegal in 2011, Dublin at times in 2011, Tyrone before that have always gone out with the mantra of, we want to win the game, we want to score more, and our best chance of winning the game is to be in the game, and the best way to be in the game is to try and concede as little as possible and make your opponents panic which will result in mental fragility, poor decision making, unforced errors, drain the confidence while building up your own confidence by seeing the result of your hard work. Is that entertaining for the neutral ? No. Its shite. But it gives teams the best launchpad to try and win a game against a team that's better than you. and to take it back to fans, You ask any fan of Mayo for example if they would take winning an all Ireland final v Dublin 1-06 v 0-07 in a dour game, over an entertaining 3-17 v 4-12 defeat, They would bite your hands off. Every one of them. Ask their players, they'll say the same. Ask louth today if they would rather play how they played last night and lose by 26, or play how Fermanagh did today and lose by 6, theyd take the latter every day. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 26/05/2019 19:07:18 2187742 Link
Donegal move on as expected but Fermanagh were no cakewalk - in fact they were really going well and gaining a lot of momentum until Jones missed a fairly easy free to make it a one point game. The miss seemed to knock Fermanagh confidence and give a boost to Donegal. I don't understand the posters who condemn Fermanagh for their defensive approach and yet find nothing wrong with Donegal adopting the same approach when the opposition had the ball. (Martin McHugh compared the first half to Rugby League with each team adopting the same tactics). Should be a very interesting tussle with Tyrone, whatever the tactics adopted by each team. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 26/05/2019 19:22:25 2187747 Link
Where is Tomás Corrigan? A player Fermanagh could do with in the forwards FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 26/05/2019 19:39:44 2187756 Link
Replying To KeshGFC: "Catch a grip .. sidelines in Brewster in the same place as they always were.. and if you want to see spoiler football replay the antics of paddy McGrath .. embarrassed for the lad" The antics of Paddy Mc Grath??:Your having a laugh! What about the antics of Ricey at his normal nonsense, the antics of Fermangh lads holding their heads when not hit at all. Slow cynical football. Rory Gallagher was shouting at Paddy Mc Grath to let him have it as he won't do anything with it. Glad Paddy took the game to Fermangh when needed. DLlegends (Donegal) - Posts: 503 - 26/05/2019 19:51:43 2187768 Link
Replying To KeshGFC: "Catch a grip .. sidelines in Brewster in the same place as they always were.. and if you want to see spoiler football replay the antics of paddy McGrath .. embarrassed for the lad" He fouled and for a yellow card, fair enough. Think you guys could have had a red early on for a clear punch to the head on a player on the ground near the centre of the pitch. Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 26/05/2019 20:29:30 2187789 Link
Replying To MuckrossHead: "God almighty, yet another in a depressingly long line of Dubs wittering on about how the game "should be played". There is no one perfect way to play the game, some are more entertaining than others granted, but that doesn't necessarily mean better." AHEM!! waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 26/05/2019 20:36:59 2187791 Link
Replying To waynoI: "Im only asking the question. Each to their own. I suppose it all just depends, I think opinion may well vary depending on how you're watching the game For example, take last nights game between Dublin and Louth, from my perspective as a Dublin fan, when im watching Dublin, I want to see Dublin play as well as we possibly can, opposition and quality of the opposition is irrelevant. I do be looking at things with the blue tinted glasses. I want us to score as much as possible and concede as little as possible. But if you're a Louth man/woman sitting down watching Fermanagh v Donegal, you're probably thinking, jesus this is dire to watch, but god what i would've done to see us do a bit of that last night and have the Dubs sweat a bit and at least go into the final quarter with a little bit of "ya know what, you just never know". Its not entertaining but its not as demoralizing and disheartening if youre a Louth fan But as a neutral i totally understand why you'd turn that game off today and on the other end of the scale if Dublin were on the box last night i totally get why youd knock that off too. The game has always been about outscoring the opposition. That's how all team sports operate. If someone was smart enough and tactically astute enough/brave enough to try defensive systems decades ago the game would've changed back then too, it just so happens that its revolutionized in the last 10-15 years during this period. Fermanaghs aim, just like it was with Donegal in 2011, Dublin at times in 2011, Tyrone before that have always gone out with the mantra of, we want to win the game, we want to score more, and our best chance of winning the game is to be in the game, and the best way to be in the game is to try and concede as little as possible and make your opponents panic which will result in mental fragility, poor decision making, unforced errors, drain the confidence while building up your own confidence by seeing the result of your hard work. Is that entertaining for the neutral ? No. Its shite. But it gives teams the best launchpad to try and win a game against a team that's better than you. and to take it back to fans, You ask any fan of Mayo for example if they would take winning an all Ireland final v Dublin 1-06 v 0-07 in a dour game, over an entertaining 3-17 v 4-12 defeat, They would bite your hands off. Every one of them. Ask their players, they'll say the same. Ask louth today if they would rather play how they played last night and lose by 26, or play how Fermanagh did today and lose by 6, theyd take the latter every day." Excellent post Waynol chancer (Donegal) - Posts: 14 - 26/05/2019 20:42:42 2187796 Link
I see that yet again we have people whinging about Fermanagh playing defensive. They can whinge all they like, simple fact is that if teams like Fermanagh try to go toe to toe with the bigger teams then there is only one outcome, they lose and lose badly. I've seen Fermanagh getting their pat on the back for trying their best but losing, its patronising rubbish and personally I would have no more interest in entertaining people from counties who would probably roll over and give up the game if they only had 19 clubs to choose from. Fermanagh don't have the numbers to compete, they need a leveller and unfortunately defensive systems are the only leveller that works. I'd damn sure rather be Fermanagh than be an Antrim or Louth right now, at least we make a damn fight of it. Steve (Fermanagh) - Posts: 293 - 26/05/2019 20:55:07 2187804 Link
Replying To waynoI: "AHEM!!" There are a few honourable exceptions waynol!!! MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 26/05/2019 21:14:56 2187823 Link
Replying To Steve: "I see that yet again we have people whinging about Fermanagh playing defensive. They can whinge all they like, simple fact is that if teams like Fermanagh try to go toe to toe with the bigger teams then there is only one outcome, they lose and lose badly. I've seen Fermanagh getting their pat on the back for trying their best but losing, its patronising rubbish and personally I would have no more interest in entertaining people from counties who would probably roll over and give up the game if they only had 19 clubs to choose from. Fermanagh don't have the numbers to compete, they need a leveller and unfortunately defensive systems are the only leveller that works. I'd damn sure rather be Fermanagh than be an Antrim or Louth right now, at least we make a damn fight of it." Exactly this! The same people complaining about Fermanagh today would be the same people running amuck on here if Fermanagh lay down and had their bellies tickled and Donegal ran out winning by 15-20 pts. Every single one of those Fermanagh players will feel better tonight about their defeat than Louth last night who tried to have a go and got absolutely butchered by Dublin last night. And the gas thing is, the vast majority of GAA fans on this island and abroad would be all for this type of football if it took them from bowing out in july to All Ireland contenders. The only ones who probably wouldn't are Dublin, Kerry and Mayo. As a Dublin fan, id take sealing five-in-a-row with a lousy 1-05 to 0-06 win against Kerry in September all day long. Everyone on here feels like they pay money and they should be entertained. It doesn't work like that im afraid. It never did. Its just short term bias. There has always been low scoring games and hammerings - just took a random year - 1974 as an example.. The provincials Connacht - Sligo beat Leitrim by 12, Galway beat Roscommon by 13. Leinster - Wicklow scored 0-02 and lost by 13 to Laois (there was only 11 scores in that game) Munster - Kerry beat Waterford by 29pts , Tipp scored 2-2 v Cork Ulster - Tyrone 0-08 v 1-09 Donegal The All Ireland final ended Dublin 0-14 to 1-06 The good days though!! waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 26/05/2019 21:30:35 2187840 Link
1 Dublin 1,345,402 1,459.2 Leinster 5.7% 2 Antrim 618,108 202.9 Ulster 1.8% 3 Cork 542,196 72.3 Munster 4.5% 4 Down 531,665 215.6 Ulster 8.7% - Fingal 296,214 651.6 Leinster 8.1% - South Dublin 278,749 1,251.5 Leinster 5.1% 5 Galway 258,552 42.0 Connacht 3.2% 6 Londonderry 247,132 119.1 Ulster 4.8% 7 Kildare 222,130 131.0 Leinster 5.6% - Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown 217,274 1,706.7 Leinster 5.3% 8 Limerick 195,175 70.8 Munster 1.8% 9 Meath 194,942 83.2 Leinster 5.9% 10 Tyrone 179,000 54.5 Ulster 8.4% 11 Armagh 174,792 131.8 Ulster 7.3% 12 Tipperary 160,441 37.2 Munster 1.1% 13 Donegal 158,755 32.6 Ulster -1.5% 14 Wexford 149,605 63.2 Leinster 2.9% 15 Kerry 147,554 30.7 Munster 1.4% 16 Wicklow 142,332 70.2 Leinster 4.2% 17 Mayo 130,425 23.3 Connacht -0.2% 18 Louth 128,375 155.4 Leinster 4.5% 19 Clare 118,817 34.4 Munster 1.2% 20 Waterford 116,401 62.7 Munster 2.3% 21 Kilkenny 99,118 47.8 Leinster 3.9% 22 Westmeath 88,770 48.2 Leinster 2.9% 23 Laois 84,732 49.3 Leinster 5.2% 24 Offaly 78,003 38.9 Leinster 1.7% 25 Cavan 76,092 39.3 Ulster 4.0% 26 Sligo 65,357 35.5 Connacht -0.1% 27 Roscommon 64,436 25.3 Connacht 0.6% 28 Fermanagh 61,170 36.1 Ulster 6.3% 29 Monaghan 61,273 47.3 Ulster 1.3% 30 Carlow 56,875 63.4 Leinster 4.1% 31 Longford 40,810 37.4 Leinster 4.6% 32 Leitrim 31,972 20.1 Connacht 0.5% 61,170 Fermanaghs population half of which are from the protestant community who unfortunately don't play gaelic sports that leaves 30, 585, the smallest pick in Ireland. We nearly made Division One and were in an Ulster final last year. We have nothing to apologize for. TheFerm (Fermanagh) - Posts: 3 - 26/05/2019 23:56:05 2187907 Link