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Replying To KillingFields:  "You have no appreciation for refereeing or referees then.
Watch nearly any sport a good official will take their time work with their team of officials to get to the best decision
Yes it was in front of referee at the time of the incident and he saw it but he took his time talked to his fellow official to see if they had a different view before making a very big decision that would have a lasting impact on the result.
A red card should always be a last resort."
If the linesman had a different opinion from his and the referee went by that then the officials should switch duties.
It is the duty of the referee to call all fouls which occur within his range of vision.
The referee shirked his duties.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 493 - 21/08/2019 14:39:41    2228238

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "So a referee shouldn't consult with another official who has a better view of an incident and make a call based on his less informed view, otherwise he's a poor referee?"
Or worse still. He is down the other end of the field and a player is hit on the head off the ball. The lines man sees it and calls it. The referee should not send off the offender because he did not see it himself. Make you wonder about some of the people on here.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 632 - 21/08/2019 15:02:00    2228244

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I could be wrong but to me it looks obvious that the refs are now getting spoken to in their ear pieces. Fully convinced Cleere was for the semi final (not referring to the hawkeye decisions).
Maybe I'm being paranoid but is there a chance that video evidence has come into play unofficially?"
How did Buckley get away with the elbow to the neck of the player in the Semi if refs are receiving advice..? That was a blatant red in front of the ref

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1163 - 21/08/2019 15:18:12    2228252

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Replying To bloodyban:  "How did Buckley get away with the elbow to the neck of the player in the Semi if refs are receiving advice..? That was a blatant red in front of the ref"
Yes, Buckley was lucky there and it's a good question. Shouldn't it be clarified by the GAA if they are receiving advice or not? I strongly suspect that they are in some cases such as the Hogan one. So how do they decide when they get it, for which incidents etc. It's remarkable that if they are, that is hasn't been clearly outlined by the GAA

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 143 - 21/08/2019 15:39:47    2228263

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Replying To Canuck:  "Or worse still. He is down the other end of the field and a player is hit on the head off the ball. The lines man sees it and calls it. The referee should not send off the offender because he did not see it himself. Make you wonder about some of the people on here."
You are deliberately missing the point, evading the issue. The referee must make the call on all incidents within his line of vision. PERIOD.
If an incident not within his sight is brought to his attention he must apply the penalty based on what he is told.
Final words on this.
Did the referee consult with his umpires when the Kilkenny player was struck in the helmet by an opponent?
Did the referee consult with his umpires when he failed to award Tipperary a penalty after ignoring the previous foul ( he did not raise his arm) and then bringing the ball back to the spot of the original foul?
Some on here seem to advance the theory that a round table discussion should be held before all actions are taken.
Arguments must be consistent.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 493 - 21/08/2019 15:44:26    2228268

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It was just the physical reality of the situation with Hogan. Murphy seemed to be hot on the scene, so it was obvious that Owens would consult. Such consultations don't typically happen, when these 'consultants' are further away from the scene of the alleged crime. Who wants the catcalling of referees jogging 50-60 yards to consult umpires? Not referees anyway, I'm sure. Murphy was all over the Hogan incident on Sunday, eagerly facilitating the consultation, and seemed very anxious to have his input to the decision making process.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2296 - 21/08/2019 16:01:13    2228276

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Replying To bloodyban:  "How did Buckley get away with the elbow to the neck of the player in the Semi if refs are receiving advice..? That was a blatant red in front of the ref"
As I said I have no evidence they are but that was dealt with (or not dealt with) so quickly by the ref at the time, they wouldnt call it back. Owens and Cleere paused to talk to linesman/umpires for a much longer period.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2724 - 21/08/2019 16:15:21    2228285

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "I'm over it and agree with you 100% that every team in the country has players sent off. Why then can' t was Richie dismayed (oustretched arms) and why was s Brian Cody "amazed " by referees decision and why are heroes of yesteryear trying to put an inocent spin on hat was essentially a mugging. RE rule highlighted at he beginning of the year that any strike or any attempt to strike at he head is a red card. Eddie Brennan whoudn' t have lasted 5 minutes in 07 All-Ireland ..jabbing a 19 year old Seamus Hickey through facemask and causing him to be stretched on the ground . ( Accidental? I think not.... ditto..Stephan Lucey)
What's amazing is that Fast Eddie is now pontificating about proper decorum on Sunday game and twitter. That' s what is amazing today.. that's the power of a squeaky wheel with access to a microphone. Eddie is very vocal to the point he may be campaigning..

"Get on with it".. Indeed!! I agree with you again."
Whether the decision was right or wrong I think it's unacceptable and unprofessional for Brennan to be putting up what he did on twitter regardless of where he was born or lives. He is clearly supporting his Leinster rivals. Of course he's entitled to his opinion but twitter and the way he did it is completely unacceptable.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2724 - 21/08/2019 16:21:18    2228289

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Whether the decision was right or wrong I think it's unacceptable and unprofessional for Brennan to be putting up what he did on twitter regardless of where he was born or lives. He is clearly supporting his Leinster rivals. Of course he's entitled to his opinion but twitter and the way he did it is completely unacceptable."
I'm surprised that RTÉ can't see that it's unprofessional to ask recently retired players, eg B Cummins, H Shefflin & J Tyrell, to act as pundits and to comment on ex-teammates in major games.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 765 - 21/08/2019 17:21:21    2228307

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "It was just the physical reality of the situation with Hogan. Murphy seemed to be hot on the scene, so it was obvious that Owens would consult. Such consultations don't typically happen, when these 'consultants' are further away from the scene of the alleged crime. Who wants the catcalling of referees jogging 50-60 yards to consult umpires? Not referees anyway, I'm sure. Murphy was all over the Hogan incident on Sunday, eagerly facilitating the consultation, and seemed very anxious to have his input to the decision making process."
I don't know what rules about consultation or no consultation you are quoting. Or lines of vision etc. The referee is in charge of the game between the lines and can choose to consult with whoever he likes once within the rules. Again with in the rules and what he deems he needs to do to reach a decision.
You know the referees may be the problem. They need to band together like other sports and if a player, coach or team pundit bad mouths them, give nothing to that team next time out. Surprise you how quick the Cody's, Shefflin's and Tyrell's would stop wrongly attacking them. Try mouthing off about an umpire in baseball or showing up a referee in hockey who made an incorrect call and see what would happen. On top of that you would get a hefty fine from the association. Why ? It is the players job to play the game. The referee to ref the game and the association to asses that ref taking what ever action deemed necessary. We prefer to have open season on the referee after every game based on who we support. EVERY GAME.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 632 - 21/08/2019 18:01:36    2228320

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Sorry reply was to GaaFan (USA)

I don't know what rules about consultation or no consultation you are quoting. Or lines of vision etc. The referee is in charge of the game between the lines and can choose to consult with whoever he likes once within the rules. Again with in the rules and what he deems he needs to do to reach a decision.
You know the referees may be the problem. They need to band together like other sports and if a player, coach or team pundit bad mouths them, give nothing to that team next time out. Surprise you how quick the Cody's, Shefflin's and Tyrell's would stop wrongly attacking them. Try mouthing off about an umpire in baseball or showing up a referee in hockey who made an incorrect call and see what would happen. On top of that you would get a hefty fine from the association. Why ? It is the players job to play the game. The referee to ref the game and the association to asses that ref taking what ever action deemed necessary. We prefer to have open season on the referee after every game based on who we support. EVERY GAME.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 553 - 21/08/2019 18:01:36 222

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 632 - 21/08/2019 18:15:59    2228326

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Replying To baire:  "I'm surprised that RTÉ can't see that it's unprofessional to ask recently retired players, eg B Cummins, H Shefflin & J Tyrell, to act as pundits and to comment on ex-teammates in major games."
What about bringing Barry Kelly on for his opinion on the red card. Here is a Ref who put Shefflin off for nothing against Cork in 2013 and came back the next year and tried to hand Tipp the 2014 final on one the worst calls in All-Ireland history. Thank God Hawk Eye was in place because he surely would have given Tipp the point.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 25 - 22/08/2019 18:53:09    2228604

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Replying To Canuck:  "Sorry reply was to GaaFan (USA)

I don't know what rules about consultation or no consultation you are quoting. Or lines of vision etc. The referee is in charge of the game between the lines and can choose to consult with whoever he likes once within the rules. Again with in the rules and what he deems he needs to do to reach a decision.
You know the referees may be the problem. They need to band together like other sports and if a player, coach or team pundit bad mouths them, give nothing to that team next time out. Surprise you how quick the Cody's, Shefflin's and Tyrell's would stop wrongly attacking them. Try mouthing off about an umpire in baseball or showing up a referee in hockey who made an incorrect call and see what would happen. On top of that you would get a hefty fine from the association. Why ? It is the players job to play the game. The referee to ref the game and the association to asses that ref taking what ever action deemed necessary. We prefer to have open season on the referee after every game based on who we support. EVERY GAME.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 553 - 21/08/2019 18:01:36 222"
I can't disagree with anything you are staying. But you do have a very fragmented set of poorly written rules with a lot leeway allowed. Which means a lot of frustrating inconsistencies that unfortunately do ruin games. Rules unfortunately have to be water tight with only one interpretation, otherwise they are rules but guidelines.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4178 - 22/08/2019 20:12:23    2228616

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Replying To gatha:  "What about bringing Barry Kelly on for his opinion on the red card. Here is a Ref who put Shefflin off for nothing against Cork in 2013 and came back the next year and tried to hand Tipp the 2014 final on one the worst calls in All-Ireland history. Thank God Hawk Eye was in place because he surely would have given Tipp the point."
This is now getting pathetic.......Kilkenny got more than their fair share of 'handy' calls down the years particularly from Gavin, Kirwan among others.....Cody thought he could change the rules if the game and have them reffed like he wanted, this changed under Liam O Neill as president with refs instructed to increasingly start reffing to the rules and not 'the flow'.......best team won on the day, accept it and try show some class

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 702 - 22/08/2019 20:12:56    2228618

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Replying To gatha:  "What about bringing Barry Kelly on for his opinion on the red card. Here is a Ref who put Shefflin off for nothing against Cork in 2013 and came back the next year and tried to hand Tipp the 2014 final on one the worst calls in All-Ireland history. Thank God Hawk Eye was in place because he surely would have given Tipp the point."
Did shefflin get two yellows or a straight red?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 752 - 22/08/2019 20:38:30    2228624

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "If the linesman had a different opinion from his and the referee went by that then the officials should switch duties.
It is the duty of the referee to call all fouls which occur within his range of vision.
The referee shirked his duties."
You have no appreciation for officials, officiating or management of a game.
A ref cant just go with their own opinion if another member of their team gives their voice. They work as part of team towards best decision.
A ref may see something within their range of vision but not see entire context to what happened and thats why they consult their fellow match officials. That is perfect example of good team work and excellent refereeing
How someone cant see that is mindboggling

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 271 - 22/08/2019 21:02:39    2228627

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Replying To Bon:  "Did shefflin get two yellows or a straight red?"
Two yellows, first later rescinded

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 143 - 22/08/2019 21:37:15    2228636

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How is Donal Og Cusack back on panel after those comments in that contraversial court case more or less backing up the character of a guilty man of a terrible crime. His latest comments on mental state of mind of county managers also total unnecessary. This is a voluntary amateur game giving huge enjoyment to its members for people have options to opt in or out. What about issues in the real world Donal. Always trying to talk up everyone and have an agenda on it.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 134 - 22/08/2019 22:04:55    2228647

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I can't disagree with anything you are staying. But you do have a very fragmented set of poorly written rules with a lot leeway allowed. Which means a lot of frustrating inconsistencies that unfortunately do ruin games. Rules unfortunately have to be water tight with only one interpretation, otherwise they are rules but guidelines.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4137 - 22/08/2019 20:12:23
Then they are not rules but more like laws.
You should have an element of interpretation to help manage games as simply having a rigid set of rules in such fluid fast flowing sports as hurling and gaelic makes a refs job impossibl

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 271 - 22/08/2019 22:27:53    2228655

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Replying To arock:  "I can't disagree with anything you are staying. But you do have a very fragmented set of poorly written rules with a lot leeway allowed. Which means a lot of frustrating inconsistencies that unfortunately do ruin games. Rules unfortunately have to be water tight with only one interpretation, otherwise they are rules but guidelines."
Spot on, Arock. The inconsistency is shocking. Refs chairman Willie Barrett is quoted in today's Independent as follows:

"He (Barrett) said that all referees had been told to firmly clamp down on head high challenges. "What we have told our referees is that anything to the head is a red card.""

Really? When were refs instructed to do this? Cos that ain't been happening in this championship!

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1082 - 22/08/2019 23:08:19    2228660

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