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Replying To clooney:  "Ah come on Hurling is a physical sport Barrett split Hogan earlier and his dander was up it was harmless enough Tipp player made a meal off it no doubt about it do we want to turn hurling into a no contact shootout, same referee send David Reidy of Clare off in Ennis last year in one off the worst decisions I ever saw.

The Helmet protects players mostly so if we want to go down this road it would take any cut out off game.

Brain Cody said you would want to be absolutely certain it was a red card and Referee clearly wasen't sure it RUINED game €90.00 + €7.00 for programme and then food & fuel massive outlay game was gone 10 minutes after half time.
I know you will say not Referees problem but no common sense

As Kilkenny play a traditional game they had no plan to work the lines it was route one to Liam Fennelly or TJ"
All fair points Clooney and I want the physical play in every match but the sanction for hits to the head has not been applied consistently. Tony Kelly as you know got sent off for it in January with a brush to the head of Paudie Maher at worst but Ronan Maher took out Peter Casey in the Munster final this year with a head shot and Buckley got away with a ridiculous elbow to the face against Barry Nash in the semi-final-that's only involving Limerick I'm sure there are other incidents this year which also went unpunished but then enforcing it in the AI final is inconsistent of the highest order

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 350 - 19/08/2019 10:13:08    2227384

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Replying To tommy132:  "Will they bring up Hawkeye, that point given when Hogan caught it 'supposdly' over the crossbar was no where near being over the crossbar"
I can't understand how hawk eye intervened and gave that as a Kilkenny point...? It only showed that the ball would have gone through the posts if the keeper had not put up his hand and caught it but never showed it going past the posts which it must surely do for it to be a score....Luckily it had no bareing on the result but it's something that the panel on tv should have talked about....

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 19/08/2019 10:28:43    2227388

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Lads - I assume you are aware of the medical evidence about the dangers of blows to the head......this [email protected] about he is wearing a helmet so he will be okay, is simple that [email protected] because a player is wearing a helmet doesn't make dangerous head high challenges with the hurl, elbow or shoulder okay.....they are dangerous and should be treated as such

The issue is the consistency of the application of the rules but when you have people saying '' all Ireland wa ruined by red card' ....that is not the ref's fault but the player whose indiscipline led to the red card......if we want to grow the game particularly in non traditional areas then we need to be demonstrating we are serious about player safety and welfare......why have rules at all if we aren't going to apply them

You look at American football, emerging evidence of the link between soccer players form the 60/70s and dementia due to heading the ball to see some of the built up dangers if we don't take these things seriously.....not trying to be over dramatic but Kilkenny have brought a real edge over the past fifteen years to their tackling....that was their deliberate choice it served them well at times but yesterday they paid the price for that approach, that is not Owens fault

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 702 - 19/08/2019 10:35:21    2227392

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Replying To clooney:  "Ah come on Hurling is a physical sport Barrett split Hogan earlier and his dander was up it was harmless enough Tipp player made a meal off it no doubt about it do we want to turn hurling into a no contact shootout, same referee send David Reidy of Clare off in Ennis last year in one off the worst decisions I ever saw.

The Helmet protects players mostly so if we want to go down this road it would take any cut out off game.

Brain Cody said you would want to be absolutely certain it was a red card and Referee clearly wasen't sure it RUINED game €90.00 + €7.00 for programme and then food & fuel massive outlay game was gone 10 minutes after half time.
I know you will say not Referees problem but no common sense

As Kilkenny play a traditional game they had no plan to work the lines it was route one to Liam Fennelly or TJ"
What happened to KK's 'traditional game' early doors I wonder, where TJ was to be been on numerous occasions driving in small increments 'through the lines', 'pop passing' taking returns etc, frequently from as deep as his own no6 position. The last thing KK wanted there was a game of 'traditional hurling', because they were going to struggle with that against the superior hurling force. No, KK were not 'traditional' at all here, and went out with a strangling, high intensity, space closing tactical approach, where they were quite happy to drop numerous players deep, and progress through the lines almost football style. This gameplan was shipwhecked with the sending off, because the work load to keep Tipp strangled was always going to be hugely intense, and was a job for 15 or more, and certainly not 14. Weather also seemed to be a significant factor, with long range scores seemingly far more easily attainable into the Hill16 end. Interesting that it was 'the Limerick linesman' who seemed to deliver the verdict that Hogan 'had to go'. Some payback for last month no doubt. We're all human, even referees & linesmen!!

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2296 - 19/08/2019 10:40:41    2227395

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Replying To clooney:  "Ah come on Hurling is a physical sport Barrett split Hogan earlier and his dander was up it was harmless enough Tipp player made a meal off it no doubt about it do we want to turn hurling into a no contact shootout, same referee send David Reidy of Clare off in Ennis last year in one off the worst decisions I ever saw.

The Helmet protects players mostly so if we want to go down this road it would take any cut out off game.

Brain Cody said you would want to be absolutely certain it was a red card and Referee clearly wasen't sure it RUINED game €90.00 + €7.00 for programme and then food & fuel massive outlay game was gone 10 minutes after half time.
I know you will say not Referees problem but no common sense

As Kilkenny play a traditional game they had no plan to work the lines it was route one to Liam Fennelly or TJ"
Very sad that people still have this outdated line of thinking
Hurling is a physical sport but contact like that is a no no and must be sanctioned.
The game wasnt ruined by a red card. It is far better for sport overall that incidents like this on the biggest day of hurling year are punished appropriately.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 272 - 19/08/2019 10:54:31    2227401

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Replying To clooney:  "Ah come on Hurling is a physical sport Barrett split Hogan earlier and his dander was up it was harmless enough Tipp player made a meal off it no doubt about it do we want to turn hurling into a no contact shootout, same referee send David Reidy of Clare off in Ennis last year in one off the worst decisions I ever saw.

The Helmet protects players mostly so if we want to go down this road it would take any cut out off game.

Brain Cody said you would want to be absolutely certain it was a red card and Referee clearly wasen't sure it RUINED game €90.00 + €7.00 for programme and then food & fuel massive outlay game was gone 10 minutes after half time.
I know you will say not Referees problem but no common sense

As Kilkenny play a traditional game they had no plan to work the lines it was route one to Liam Fennelly or TJ"
Im sorry but thats rubbish.

How do you know the referee wasnt sure? Because he sought the linesmans opinion? Whats common sense got to do with it? Its a red card challenge end of discussion.

What are you proposing, yerra sure he was wearing a helmet, yerra sure it was an expensive day out, yerra sure he asked the linesman what he saw, yerra sure let them batter each other across the head cos theyre wearing helmets.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 815 - 19/08/2019 11:01:47    2227406

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Replying To clooney:  "Ah come on Hurling is a physical sport Barrett split Hogan earlier and his dander was up it was harmless enough Tipp player made a meal off it no doubt about it do we want to turn hurling into a no contact shootout, same referee send David Reidy of Clare off in Ennis last year in one off the worst decisions I ever saw.

The Helmet protects players mostly so if we want to go down this road it would take any cut out off game.

Brain Cody said you would want to be absolutely certain it was a red card and Referee clearly wasen't sure it RUINED game €90.00 + €7.00 for programme and then food & fuel massive outlay game was gone 10 minutes after half time.
I know you will say not Referees problem but no common sense

As Kilkenny play a traditional game they had no plan to work the lines it was route one to Liam Fennelly or TJ"
Harmless enough? Thats a laugh. Hogan nailed him to the head, good and proper. Red all day long. The Final was ruined by a bad decision alright. Ruined by Hogan's decision to 'do' Barrett , probably in retaliation for earlier foul on him by Barrett. Tipp were well on top in 10 minutes before that and Red card just decided the margin of victory.

conordee (Galway) - Posts: 387 - 19/08/2019 11:07:49    2227408

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At €85 for a ticket and program, the referee can implement the rules. At €97 for a ticket and program, the whistle must go out of the window, and it's all Cody and savage and 'common sense' and Gladiator II.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 2296 - 19/08/2019 11:27:40    2227412

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Replying To tearintom:  "Im sorry but thats rubbish.

How do you know the referee wasnt sure? Because he sought the linesmans opinion? Whats common sense got to do with it? Its a red card challenge end of discussion.

What are you proposing, yerra sure he was wearing a helmet, yerra sure it was an expensive day out, yerra sure he asked the linesman what he saw, yerra sure let them batter each other across the head cos theyre wearing helmets."
I watched James Owens face last night he seemed astonished that he was going to have to make this decision how do you know that R Hogan had intent either which is absolutely necessary to issue a red card. Barrett was immediately able to continue to play.

Of Course i accept that a blow to the head is dangerous but hurling is a physical game and you cannot take this out of game either, could you not use same logic to say that Barrett injured Hogan his nose was split Jason Forde tackle on E Murphy why the inconsistency.

I was chatting to some sound Tipp fans and to a person no one was happy with the 14 men they wanted a real game and IMO a harsh RED

No one was getting battered it was a clean game in the main not in Hogans locker so i am entitled to my opinion i spend my money yesterday were you there?

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 460 - 19/08/2019 11:38:22    2227416

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Replying To clooney:  "I watched James Owens face last night he seemed astonished that he was going to have to make this decision how do you know that R Hogan had intent either which is absolutely necessary to issue a red card. Barrett was immediately able to continue to play.

Of Course i accept that a blow to the head is dangerous but hurling is a physical game and you cannot take this out of game either, could you not use same logic to say that Barrett injured Hogan his nose was split Jason Forde tackle on E Murphy why the inconsistency.

I was chatting to some sound Tipp fans and to a person no one was happy with the 14 men they wanted a real game and IMO a harsh RED

No one was getting battered it was a clean game in the main not in Hogans locker so i am entitled to my opinion i spend my money yesterday were you there?"
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the game regardless of whether they were there or not.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 153 - 19/08/2019 11:51:33    2227420

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Congrats to Cantwell for her first All-Ireland show, good job

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1280 - 19/08/2019 12:10:33    2227436

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the game regardless of whether they were there or not."
True of course

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 460 - 19/08/2019 12:19:33    2227443

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Replying To clooney:  "I watched James Owens face last night he seemed astonished that he was going to have to make this decision how do you know that R Hogan had intent either which is absolutely necessary to issue a red card. Barrett was immediately able to continue to play.

Of Course i accept that a blow to the head is dangerous but hurling is a physical game and you cannot take this out of game either, could you not use same logic to say that Barrett injured Hogan his nose was split Jason Forde tackle on E Murphy why the inconsistency.

I was chatting to some sound Tipp fans and to a person no one was happy with the 14 men they wanted a real game and IMO a harsh RED

No one was getting battered it was a clean game in the main not in Hogans locker so i am entitled to my opinion i spend my money yesterday were you there?"
No you cannot use the same logic. Barret was attempting to play the ball. In the Official Guide its dealt with under Rule 5 aggressive foul. The rule I would say is 5.5 using the hurley in a careless manner. The penalfy for this is a yellow card. Its a category 1 infraction. I'm not sure if he got a yellow for it, but he definitely should have.

Hogan's incident is catered for under 5.16 to strike or attempt to strike and opponent with arm, elbow, hand or knee. That's what happened. He hit him in the head with his elbow. It's a category 3 offence and the penalty is a red card.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1055 - 19/08/2019 12:54:45    2227464

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Replying To supermon:  "No you cannot use the same logic. Barret was attempting to play the ball. In the Official Guide its dealt with under Rule 5 aggressive foul. The rule I would say is 5.5 using the hurley in a careless manner. The penalfy for this is a yellow card. Its a category 1 infraction. I'm not sure if he got a yellow for it, but he definitely should have.

Hogan's incident is catered for under 5.16 to strike or attempt to strike and opponent with arm, elbow, hand or knee. That's what happened. He hit him in the head with his elbow. It's a category 3 offence and the penalty is a red card."
It's nice to have someone on here who knows (or goes to the trouble of looking up) the rules. A positive addition to the debate. Thanks

Spudsareboilin (Galway) - Posts: 30 - 19/08/2019 13:20:42    2227479

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Replying To Spudsareboilin:  "It's nice to have someone on here who knows (or goes to the trouble of looking up) the rules. A positive addition to the debate. Thanks"
No bother.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1055 - 19/08/2019 13:55:08    2227497

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Replying To supermon:  "No you cannot use the same logic. Barret was attempting to play the ball. In the Official Guide its dealt with under Rule 5 aggressive foul. The rule I would say is 5.5 using the hurley in a careless manner. The penalfy for this is a yellow card. Its a category 1 infraction. I'm not sure if he got a yellow for it, but he definitely should have.

Hogan's incident is catered for under 5.16 to strike or attempt to strike and opponent with arm, elbow, hand or knee. That's what happened. He hit him in the head with his elbow. It's a category 3 offence and the penalty is a red card."
You can quote rules which can be interpreted in many different ways- you can also apply the rulebook to the full but many matches would last for 2 hours with many red cards. Rule 5.16 implemented as written could mean a lot of red cards with the 'attempt to strike', as their is lots of knee contact and lots of contact in tackling with hand.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2059 - 19/08/2019 13:57:46    2227499

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Replying To Joxer:  "Absolute red. Dropped the shoulder, drove it at head. Red all day long. Conditions me a€se."
Like Shefflin really should be embarrassed today at his comments.

I dont buy this thing that it's hard to be neutral. They get paid a fortune.

Red every day of the week.

Marty's pre-prepared scripts are cringe and well mullane shouldn't be let near a mic.

IamDonegal (Donegal) - Posts: 134 - 19/08/2019 14:05:26    2227502

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Clooney, just stop embarrassing yourself. Red card. End of.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 95 - 19/08/2019 14:20:59    2227509

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Replying To IamDonegal:  "Like Shefflin really should be embarrassed today at his comments.

I dont buy this thing that it's hard to be neutral. They get paid a fortune.

Red every day of the week.

Marty's pre-prepared scripts are cringe and well mullane shouldn't be let near a mic."
Add Duignan to that commentary is rubbish, his comment on the weather was rubbish.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 842 - 19/08/2019 14:35:15    2227514

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Add Duignan to that commentary is rubbish, his comment on the weather was rubbish."
Duignan is a terrible commentator, I don't understand the love-in for him at all.
His comments about Donal Og a couple of years ago should have had him packing his bags from RTE.
On another note, why don't RTE cover the jubilee team any more? As a Wexford man, who doesn't remember 1996, I think it is a great honour to be remembered by the nation for what you did 25 years ago.
Who wouldn't want to see the Clare team of 1995 next year?

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 551 - 19/08/2019 15:34:53    2227545

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