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link Have to agree with Justin O'Halloran - New York should be allowed into the qualifiers, just like every other team. Even if it means playing a "preliminary round qualifier" due to numbers. I think it should be at home for them too, to give their opponent a trip to NY and an opportunity to fundraise. This would outweigh the disadvantage of entering the qualifiers a round earlier. Their opponent should be a first round qualifier who is not from Connaught. And if they do get their first ever championship win (they've come damn close on a few occasions now), I don't think they'd have the same issue their hurlers had a few years back. Far far less illegal Irish in NY these days. I think it would add something special to the championship. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 03/05/2019 09:45:42 2181584 Link
Where do they play it, New York again? most players probably wouldn't be able to travel to Ireland because of them being there illegally PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 03/05/2019 11:21:20 2181613 Link
Do yous not think the New York team should be put into other championship's so all county players get the chance to play over there? It's a free trip for players surely after they play in Connaught they move them to Ulster then Munster and so on. Who doesn't want to go to New York on a free trip ? I think every county player deserves the chance, they are all amateurs after all. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 03/05/2019 11:30:06 2181616 Link
My opening post answers both of the responses. Play the qualifier over there and only draw the teams from Leinster, Munster and Ulster to play them (in a preliminary round as there is now an extra first round qualifier). There are very few illegal Irish on the current panel as I understand it. They wouldn't have the issue their hurlers has a few years back. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 03/05/2019 12:14:46 2181624 Link
Great idea. Who's paying though? extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 03/05/2019 12:41:44 2181636 Link
Why not put New York into a different province each year and over a 31 year cycle every county gets to play New York out there. On putting New York into the qualifiers it would have to be a home game for the county involved as it would not be visible to books a trip to New York for a team and backroom plus supporters in the space of 2 weeks in my opinion. Honestly I don't think New York should be in the championship, they will get absolutely walloped this weekend and there won't be one word about New York GAA until May 2020. hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 03/05/2019 12:56:55 2181640 Link
Replying To extranjero: "Great idea. Who's paying though?" Who's paying for them to play a connacht game? iarmhi_an_mhaith (Westmeath) - Posts: 268 - 03/05/2019 13:00:49 2181642 Link
Replying To extranjero: "Great idea. Who's paying though?" For the 1st round of Conaught: Nothing changes, the travelling team pays as they always have, and they make money back by fundraising over there. For the Prelim Qualifier: Same story - the county who is drawn to play NY flies over and can use the opportunity to fundraise. Should NY make it further and have to travel: their sponsors and benefactors - there is no shortage of money in New York GAA! cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 03/05/2019 13:06:01 2181645 Link
Replying To extranjero: "Great idea. Who's paying though?" New York of course! Moneybags! That's why it's great for any county that draws them cos they can do massive fundraising while playing there! PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 03/05/2019 13:14:15 2181648 Link
Agree New York should be let in, much less illegal players than years past so travelling would not be a problem. From posts on here it seems many supporters would love the opportunity to support their county in Gaelic Park. Think it would also be a good idea to have the winners of Div. 4 flown out after the league and before championship. Have the division final proper in Ireland, winner gets flight to New York for a cup match (i.e. Wild Geese/Fenway Classic). Something was done similarly in the 50s when New York was strong enough to put it up to the Dublins and Kerrys that won the league. The match would benefit New York and reward the hard work Div. 4 counties are putting in TheDigger (USA) - Posts: 84 - 03/05/2019 13:17:28 2181649 Link
Whilst it's great the work that New York do out there I actually think it's much more important that we sort out a proper championship for the Irish based counties and London. The future championship will not involve qualifiers I'd imagine and if New York can be incorporated that's fine. They should certainly not be a priority. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 03/05/2019 14:12:58 2181670 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "For the 1st round of Conaught: Nothing changes, the travelling team pays as they always have, and they make money back by fundraising over there. For the Prelim Qualifier: Same story - the county who is drawn to play NY flies over and can use the opportunity to fundraise. Should NY make it further and have to travel: their sponsors and benefactors - there is no shortage of money in New York GAA!" In the space of two weeks from the draw, a team is expected to do all this. Come out of the fog. hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 03/05/2019 14:36:11 2181679 Link
Replying To TheDigger: "Agree New York should be let in, much less illegal players than years past so travelling would not be a problem. From posts on here it seems many supporters would love the opportunity to support their county in Gaelic Park. Think it would also be a good idea to have the winners of Div. 4 flown out after the league and before championship. Have the division final proper in Ireland, winner gets flight to New York for a cup match (i.e. Wild Geese/Fenway Classic). Something was done similarly in the 50s when New York was strong enough to put it up to the Dublins and Kerrys that won the league. The match would benefit New York and reward the hard work Div. 4 counties are putting in" Actually sounds like a good idea. hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 03/05/2019 14:36:56 2181680 Link
Replying To hurlorhurley: "In the space of two weeks from the draw, a team is expected to do all this. Come out of the fog." You don't think it's possible to book flights and accommodation in NYC with 2 weeks notice?? I've just done a quick skyscanner search and there are 8 direct flights out 2 weeks from today (granted I can only look for 8 passangers, not 30+) Price ranges from 400 - 600 euro pp. A quick hotel search on booking.com (lets me search for 30 guests) shows up over 100 hotels available 2 weeks from now with the price range looking like between 7 and 10 grand. Note that mayo are charging 25'000 for some of the seats at their gala, 10k for others and 2.5k for a full page ad in the programme. Any county looking for a tiny fraction of those costs would still make money on the trip over. Looks like you're trying to knock a good idea without running the numbers or doing the research. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 03/05/2019 15:57:14 2181701 Link
What about having a NY v London Clash? A world series if you will! Surely a demand for such an extravaganza! WestsideWarrior (Galway) - Posts: 24 - 03/05/2019 16:57:48 2181713 Link
Replying To cavanman47: "You don't think it's possible to book flights and accommodation in NYC with 2 weeks notice?? I've just done a quick skyscanner search and there are 8 direct flights out 2 weeks from today (granted I can only look for 8 passangers, not 30+) Price ranges from 400 - 600 euro pp. A quick hotel search on booking.com (lets me search for 30 guests) shows up over 100 hotels available 2 weeks from now with the price range looking like between 7 and 10 grand. Note that mayo are charging 25'000 for some of the seats at their gala, 10k for others and 2.5k for a full page ad in the programme. Any county looking for a tiny fraction of those costs would still make money on the trip over. Looks like you're trying to knock a good idea without running the numbers or doing the research." Booking flights and accommodation within 2 weeks is the easy part, could be done with 2 days notice because there are plenty of flight and accommodation options to and in New York. I think it's a great idea but much better for counties that have 6 months , or more notice, to organise fundraisers, supporters plan their holiday, time off work, meet up with friends, possible extended stay to see more of the US, That's not even mentioning the brownie points needed for coaches, players and supporters to tell their partners they're off to New York at two weeks notice. Rather them than me! It is a good idea but it should be for New York's benefit first and foremost though.If you've just two weeks to plan so be it. Enjoy the time there, hope ye can raise a few quid and some supporters can make it but, for me, the team that gets them in the provincial first round has more fundraising benefits for me. Having the first round game against counties from other provinces makes sense. Perhaps against a so-called weaker county probably means a more even game plus a chance for them to raise funds when they need it more than the richer counties. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 03/05/2019 21:22:07 2181748 Link
Replying To hurlorhurley: "In the space of two weeks from the draw, a team is expected to do all this. Come out of the fog." The GAA could book the flights and accommodation before the draw is made to be used by whatever team gets NY. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 04/05/2019 10:39:24 2181800 Link
do Mayo get into qualifiers if they lose in Gaelic Park? I'm not sure what the rules are tbh suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1671 - 04/05/2019 13:20:29 2181814 Link
Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "do Mayo get into qualifiers if they lose in Gaelic Park? I'm not sure what the rules are tbh" AFAIK if anyone ever loses to NY they're out of the Championship. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 04/05/2019 13:47:23 2181820 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "AFAIK if anyone ever loses to NY they're out of the Championship." Yeah there's no provision for any team beaten by New York to enter the qualifiers if it ever happens under the current format. Would be as hilarious as it would be farcical were it to happen before the rules get changed. if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 04/05/2019 15:03:46 2181827 Link