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Replying To Bernardo: "Sky was brought in mainly to promote gaa aboard.
I do not really care if the gaa want to go professional. But as long as it boast about community values then the games should be free yo air.
I do not really care if a man or women is on the show. But when you see 12 men one women in the 21st century it does look strange.
The super eights are anything but super.
So I will leave like this, I can afford sky but will not get it because I think of a few older neighbours who give so much to the gaa and cannot afford sky. Solidarity it is called" Sky wanted in to try and hold on to Irish subscriptions over the summer, the Gaa may have wanted to promote the games abroad but they really just went with the highest bidders.
The Gaa will never go fully pro (don't forget that the Gaa alreadys hires and pays plenty of people), the money isn't there to pay all the players a full time livable wage.
RTE and Virgin are not free, we've addressed that.
There's 13 people on the Sky team (apparently), I have no idea who they are or how they got the jobs and I couldn't care less, I won't be listening to any of them or any of the RTE gang over the summer. I watch for the games, not their opinions.
I agree 100% about the Super 8's, they're a load of nonsense.
Well if you can afford Sky and there's elderly people around who can't watch the games then why not get Sky in and invite them over, now that would be proper solidarity!
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May I just add your argument keeps changing and is about as clear as mud, as you have no grounds to stand on, I'll summarize ur argument.
1,You want free to air, but you want the highest bid to win, so if sky are highest bid free to air is gone, nullifying ur first argument.
2, You accuse the gaa of "deciding " to sell to sky , as if there was something untoward about it, when in reality the gaa had no choice, as it was put to tender and as is the LEGALLY correct course of action the HIGHEST bidder won. So no deciding by gaa at all
3, you then say that the should sell to highest bidder but you don't want them to sell to sky, regardless of them been the highest bidder or not.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 14882 - 29/04/2019 13:33:07 2180814
1. I never said that.
2. The GAA did decide to sell to Sky.
3. Again, that's not what I've said.
Please read what I wrote more carefully.
All I've done is point out a couple of inaccuracies that you posted and agreed with about these being 'extra' games and about TV3/Virgin not being interested.
I've made a couple of other posts about exposure v cash upfront that are fairly logical and easy to understand. You don't have to agree with it but they are fairly basic ideas.
Read more carefully.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 29/04/2019 14:51:23
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I can't wait for the championship to start irrespective of the platform to absorb it (attend the game, watch on rte/sky or radio). If nothing else just to stop inane discussions like this on the forum.
Sky is ok and they do a decent job on coverage. It would (obvs) be better to have games on terrestrial TV but that's not happening. If anything its more likely to become even more subscription based in the future.
Fans can go and watch it live. Some can watch on TV (in home or public place) and the rest can listen to the radio.
Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 29/04/2019 15:21:08
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Replying To Gator: "I can't wait for the championship to start irrespective of the platform to absorb it (attend the game, watch on rte/sky or radio). If nothing else just to stop inane discussions like this on the forum.
Sky is ok and they do a decent job on coverage. It would (obvs) be better to have games on terrestrial TV but that's not happening. If anything its more likely to become even more subscription based in the future.
Fans can go and watch it live. Some can watch on TV (in home or public place) and the rest can listen to the radio." Spot on.
We're in the middle of the funny season here I suppose, just waiting for the games to begin and the sooner they do the better.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 29/04/2019 15:40:26
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Replying To Gator: "I can't wait for the championship to start irrespective of the platform to absorb it (attend the game, watch on rte/sky or radio). If nothing else just to stop inane discussions like this on the forum.
Sky is ok and they do a decent job on coverage. It would (obvs) be better to have games on terrestrial TV but that's not happening. If anything its more likely to become even more subscription based in the future.
Fans can go and watch it live. Some can watch on TV (in home or public place) and the rest can listen to the radio." Do not hold your breath. It is usually end of july early august before the games get interesting
Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 597 - 29/04/2019 16:11:02
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Replying To MesAmis: "May I just add your argument keeps changing and is about as clear as mud, as you have no grounds to stand on, I'll summarize ur argument.
1,You want free to air, but you want the highest bid to win, so if sky are highest bid free to air is gone, nullifying ur first argument.
2, You accuse the gaa of "deciding " to sell to sky , as if there was something untoward about it, when in reality the gaa had no choice, as it was put to tender and as is the LEGALLY correct course of action the HIGHEST bidder won. So no deciding by gaa at all
3, you then say that the should sell to highest bidder but you don't want them to sell to sky, regardless of them been the highest bidder or not.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 14882 - 29/04/2019 13:33:07 2180814
1. I never said that.
2. The GAA did decide to sell to Sky.
3. Again, that's not what I've said.
Please read what I wrote more carefully.
All I've done is point out a couple of inaccuracies that you posted and agreed with about these being 'extra' games and about TV3/Virgin not being interested.
I've made a couple of other posts about exposure v cash upfront that are fairly logical and easy to understand. You don't have to agree with it but they are fairly basic ideas.
Read more carefully." Oh I give up. I and everyone else is suppose to read between the lines of what you say and then you mean the opposite of what you said. You will probably say you never said to post above in ur next post. Honestly.
Look these are the facts, you can like them or lump them.
1, there ARE MORE GAMES, been shown now than when tv3 had the rights (a simple google search will verify this) and although you will say you never said that there wasn't it's there in black and white.
2, the gaa did not decide to sell to sky, that is a lie, the gaa put out its product to tender and the highest bid won.
3, and finally if you take a position at least stick to it. It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you keep denying stuff you wrote . I totally disagree with the Monaghan lad but at least he is consistent and wants free to air even if it means less money. You don't know what you want apart from take a opposing position to whatever I write.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/04/2019 16:56:08
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Replying To Bernardo: "Do not hold your breath. It is usually end of july early august before the games get interesting" As a fellow Monaghan and Ulster man I find this statement extraordinary.
You really think our first game against the old enemy will be off no interest? No interest in Armagh and Down? Fermanagh and Donegal? I think Leitrim and Roscommon will be better than it has been in years but still a win for the rossie....then we have Mayo v Roscommon.....All of this before the end of May!!
Ulster could be anyone of 3 maybe 4 teams. Connacht 2-3 possible winners. I am hoping to see Kildare, Meath, Laois get closer this year to the Dubs. Down south its a done deal I think but I still can't wait. I think we are in for a superb championship.
Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 29/04/2019 17:40:29
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Replying To royaldunne: " Replying To MesAmis: "May I just add your argument keeps changing and is about as clear as mud, as you have no grounds to stand on, I'll summarize ur argument.
1,You want free to air, but you want the highest bid to win, so if sky are highest bid free to air is gone, nullifying ur first argument.
2, You accuse the gaa of "deciding " to sell to sky , as if there was something untoward about it, when in reality the gaa had no choice, as it was put to tender and as is the LEGALLY correct course of action the HIGHEST bidder won. So no deciding by gaa at all
3, you then say that the should sell to highest bidder but you don't want them to sell to sky, regardless of them been the highest bidder or not.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 14882 - 29/04/2019 13:33:07 2180814
1. I never said that.
2. The GAA did decide to sell to Sky.
3. Again, that's not what I've said.
Please read what I wrote more carefully.
All I've done is point out a couple of inaccuracies that you posted and agreed with about these being 'extra' games and about TV3/Virgin not being interested.
I've made a couple of other posts about exposure v cash upfront that are fairly logical and easy to understand. You don't have to agree with it but they are fairly basic ideas.
Read more carefully." Oh I give up. I and everyone else is suppose to read between the lines of what you say and then you mean the opposite of what you said. You will probably say you never said to post above in ur next post. Honestly. Look these are the facts, you can like them or lump them. 1, there ARE MORE GAMES, been shown now than when tv3 had the rights (a simple google search will verify this) and although you will say you never said that there wasn't it's there in black and white. 2, the gaa did not decide to sell to sky, that is a lie, the gaa put out its product to tender and the highest bid won. 3, and finally if you take a position at least stick to it. It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you keep denying stuff you wrote . I totally disagree with the Monaghan lad but at least he is consistent and wants free to air even if it means less money. You don't know what you want apart from take a opposing position to whatever I write."
Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 597 - 29/04/2019 17:51:52
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Replying To royaldunne: " Replying To MesAmis: "May I just add your argument keeps changing and is about as clear as mud, as you have no grounds to stand on, I'll summarize ur argument.
1,You want free to air, but you want the highest bid to win, so if sky are highest bid free to air is gone, nullifying ur first argument.
2, You accuse the gaa of "deciding " to sell to sky , as if there was something untoward about it, when in reality the gaa had no choice, as it was put to tender and as is the LEGALLY correct course of action the HIGHEST bidder won. So no deciding by gaa at all
3, you then say that the should sell to highest bidder but you don't want them to sell to sky, regardless of them been the highest bidder or not.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 14882 - 29/04/2019 13:33:07 2180814
1. I never said that.
2. The GAA did decide to sell to Sky.
3. Again, that's not what I've said.
Please read what I wrote more carefully.
All I've done is point out a couple of inaccuracies that you posted and agreed with about these being 'extra' games and about TV3/Virgin not being interested.
I've made a couple of other posts about exposure v cash upfront that are fairly logical and easy to understand. You don't have to agree with it but they are fairly basic ideas.
Read more carefully." Oh I give up. I and everyone else is suppose to read between the lines of what you say and then you mean the opposite of what you said. You will probably say you never said to post above in ur next post. Honestly. Look these are the facts, you can like them or lump them. 1, there ARE MORE GAMES, been shown now than when tv3 had the rights (a simple google search will verify this) and although you will say you never said that there wasn't it's there in black and white. 2, the gaa did not decide to sell to sky, that is a lie, the gaa put out its product to tender and the highest bid won. 3, and finally if you take a position at least stick to it. It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you keep denying stuff you wrote . I totally disagree with the Monaghan lad but at least he is consistent and wants free to air even if it means less money. You don't know what you want apart from take a opposing position to whatever I write."
Extra games being broadcast has nothing to do with Sky. The GAA put together their packages to be bid on.
Of course the GAA decided to sell their rights to Sky. I really can't see how you can't comprehend such a simple sentence. No one put a gun to their heads and forced them to sell Sky, or anyone for that matter, a rights package.
I've stuck to my position throughout the thread. I can't be blamed of you haven't bothered to, or are unable to, read them properly.
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Replying To Bernardo: " Replying To royaldunne: "[quote=MesAmis: "May I just add your argument keeps changing and is about as clear as mud, as you have no grounds to stand on, I'll summarize ur argument.
1,You want free to air, but you want the highest bid to win, so if sky are highest bid free to air is gone, nullifying ur first argument.
2, You accuse the gaa of "deciding " to sell to sky , as if there was something untoward about it, when in reality the gaa had no choice, as it was put to tender and as is the LEGALLY correct course of action the HIGHEST bidder won. So no deciding by gaa at all
3, you then say that the should sell to highest bidder but you don't want them to sell to sky, regardless of them been the highest bidder or not.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 14882 - 29/04/2019 13:33:07 2180814
1. I never said that.
2. The GAA did decide to sell to Sky.
3. Again, that's not what I've said.
Please read what I wrote more carefully.
All I've done is point out a couple of inaccuracies that you posted and agreed with about these being 'extra' games and about TV3/Virgin not being interested.
I've made a couple of other posts about exposure v cash upfront that are fairly logical and easy to understand. You don't have to agree with it but they are fairly basic ideas.
Read more carefully." Oh I give up. I and everyone else is suppose to read between the lines of what you say and then you mean the opposite of what you said. You will probably say you never said to post above in ur next post. Honestly. Look these are the facts, you can like them or lump them. 1, there ARE MORE GAMES, been shown now than when tv3 had the rights (a simple google search will verify this) and although you will say you never said that there wasn't it's there in black and white. 2, the gaa did not decide to sell to sky, that is a lie, the gaa put out its product to tender and the highest bid won. 3, and finally if you take a position at least stick to it. It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you keep denying stuff you wrote . I totally disagree with the Monaghan lad but at least he is consistent and wants free to air even if it means less money. You don't know what you want apart from take a opposing position to whatever I write."
And that Sky are actuality in charge of putting together the GAA's different media rights packages...
And that TV3/Virgin has no interest in the GAA despite having the rights for a number of years and bidding for the rights when Sky won then originally.
I disagree with the above statements, that's been my stance throughout this thread. There's nothing controversial or anti Sky at all in what I've said. It really is bizarre.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 29/04/2019 18:26:49
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In my honest opinion Sky isn't doing us any harm. If you are desperately looking to watch a match on Sky get Now TV Sports Pass. But if you feel it isn't worth the money go to a pub or a friends house who may have it. Sky has done a great job in my opinion and they have been very professional with their punditry and analysis. Donaghy will be interesting as pundit now; it would be a different story if Sky covered all televised games and thankfully they don't, RTE will be broadcasting 31 games this year which is great to be fair. Don't forget that your County Radio stations and RTE Radio broadcast near enough every game if the match isn't being televised or if you are unable to watch in general.
oakleafersir (Derry) - Posts: 808 - 29/04/2019 19:17:26
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Its all about maximizing the revenue potential ie; money.
The super 8's are a disaster!
Maggiepie (Sligo) - Posts: 231 - 29/04/2019 21:04:11
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Replying To oakleafersir: "In my honest opinion Sky isn't doing us any harm. If you are desperately looking to watch a match on Sky get Now TV Sports Pass. But if you feel it isn't worth the money go to a pub or a friends house who may have it. Sky has done a great job in my opinion and they have been very professional with their punditry and analysis. Donaghy will be interesting as pundit now; it would be a different story if Sky covered all televised games and thankfully they don't, RTE will be broadcasting 31 games this year which is great to be fair. Don't forget that your County Radio stations and RTE Radio broadcast near enough every game if the match isn't being televised or if you are unable to watch in general." Again no consideration for the young, sick or old.
Bring your ill child to the pub/house, or bring your elderly father to the pub.
The pub does not suit a lot of people.
Free to air is best way.
Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 597 - 29/04/2019 21:39:14
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Replying To Bernardo: "Again no consideration for the young, sick or old.
Bring your ill child to the pub/house, or bring your elderly father to the pub.
The pub does not suit a lot of people.
Free to air is best way." I agree that free to air is the best but if you don't want to bring your ill child or elderly father to another house or pub there is always a Now TV Sports Pass which is an alternative. But even sticking on the radio is a great alternative also.
oakleafersir (Derry) - Posts: 808 - 29/04/2019 22:28:08
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Replying To Htaem: "I see." I don't think so, - - - TBC, next year.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 30/04/2019 08:34:41
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Replying To Bernardo: "Again no consideration for the young, sick or old.
Bring your ill child to the pub/house, or bring your elderly father to the pub.
The pub does not suit a lot of people.
Free to air is best way." Very few games were televised years ago anyway so whats the big deal?
Turn on the radio.
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Replying To Gator: "Very few games were televised years ago anyway so whats the big deal?
Turn on the radio." Sure if you go far enough there was no TV or radio.
Why are you so opposed to free to air
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Replying To Bernardo: "Sure if you go far enough there was no TV or radio.
Why are you so opposed to free to air" I'm not. I've made that clear in other posts above.
Its the way of the world now.
Sky do a fair job with their analysis if thats what you're after. Its better than RTE (RTE are too much about the theatrics with Brolly et al). BBC do a better job of Ulster games that any of them. TG4 do great coverage of the league, would like to see them get some championship games.
Why are you so adamant there are no good games until July? Really odd view for any GAA supporter from Ulster.
Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 30/04/2019 15:49:36
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Replying To Gator: "I'm not. I've made that clear in other posts above.
Its the way of the world now.
Sky do a fair job with their analysis if thats what you're after. Its better than RTE (RTE are too much about the theatrics with Brolly et al). BBC do a better job of Ulster games that any of them. TG4 do great coverage of the league, would like to see them get some championship games.
Why are you so adamant there are no good games until July? Really odd view for any GAA supporter from Ulster." Not odd at all. Ulster football is hard to watch. Tyrone, Donegal and monaghan play with 14 behind the ball and hand passing to death
Antrim - poor side.
Armagh- body builders - brute force football
Cavan - vey negative football
Derry - div 4 champs - says it all
Donegal - brought defending to a new low/high
Down - can have one good game in the championship
Fermanagh- 15 players behind the ball
Monaghan - 14 men behind the ball and handpass until they get the ball to conor McManus
Tyrone -decent side but play defensive football
Pay sky to watch an ulstervmatch - no way
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Replying To Bernardo: "Not odd at all. Ulster football is hard to watch. Tyrone, Donegal and monaghan play with 14 behind the ball and hand passing to death
Antrim - poor side.
Armagh- body builders - brute force football
Cavan - vey negative football
Derry - div 4 champs - says it all
Donegal - brought defending to a new low/high
Down - can have one good game in the championship
Fermanagh- 15 players behind the ball
Monaghan - 14 men behind the ball and handpass until they get the ball to conor McManus
Tyrone -decent side but play defensive football
Pay sky to watch an ulstervmatch - no way" Good grief.
Monaghan V Tyrone in the Ulster Championship was probably one of the best games of the year. It SHOULD have been televised but was not.
Monaghan, Donegal, Tyrone can play fantastic football and have shown that over the last few years. Add to that Cavan, Down and even Armagh have the ability to play non 'brute' force ball. I agree Fermangh can be hard to watch but not always. Antrim are weak and Derry are at a low ebb but on the rise again.
Ulster football is healthy. Its thrown up a few good games every year. Also Connacht championship is wide open.
The negative I can see is your posts. :)
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