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Should The GAA Campaign For A United Meath?

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Replying To kazoochka:  "In 20 years when 60% of the population live in Greater dublin maybe a load of counties amalgamate

Imagine this for a championship 2040

1. Dublin North
2. Dublin South
3. Meath (By now bursting with 400,000 people )
4. Kildare/Wicklow/Wexford
5. Midlands (Westmeath, Laois, Carlow, Offaly, Kilkenny, Longford)
6. Mayo
7. Galway
8. Sligo/Roscommon/Leitrim
9. Cavan/Monaghan/Fermanagh
10. Tyrone
11. Antrim/Down
12. Louth/Armagh
13. Limerick/Clare/Tipp/Waterford
14. Cork
15. Kerry
16. Donegal/Derry"
What makes you think Meath will be bursting with 400,000 people and Kildare won't be?

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 17/04/2019 10:16:38    2179242

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "What makes you think Meath will be bursting with 400,000 people and Kildare won't be?"
He is probably using the number of All Irelands won as a guideline.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 17/04/2019 10:31:07    2179253

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Replying To OLLIE:  "As in the infamous words of Ian Paisley "Never" ha. The Louth/Meath border around Drawda reminds me of the Gaza Strip."
Gaza Strip must be full of Dubs so, Ollie.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 17/04/2019 15:16:33    2179299

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Gaza Strip must be full of Dubs so, Ollie."
Haha you get the odd one or two Gleebo but then the Dubs are everywhere.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 17/04/2019 15:35:42    2179304

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "What makes you think Meath will be bursting with 400,000 people and Kildare won't be?"
KIldare population rising by 12500 each census, 5th highest pop. of local authorities and highest pop. of 0-24 yr olds in the country, hard to believe but the 250000 mark wont be far off in the next one..
400000? Could be sooner than you think!

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 17/04/2019 16:48:48    2179321

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Replying To Htaem:  "No, infact I think we should build a wall to keep them savages from the west out....and make them pay for it of course."
That's what happened East Meath were the loyal servants of the crown giving them their royal title while they poured thousands of their troops in their efforts to control the patriots in the WEST. We will have nothing to do with the collaborators not then not now and never and moreover they can't hurl

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1456 - 19/04/2019 21:50:55    2179619

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Replying To cuttothebone:  "KIldare population rising by 12500 each census, 5th highest pop. of local authorities and highest pop. of 0-24 yr olds in the country, hard to believe but the 250000 mark wont be far off in the next one..
400000? Could be sooner than you think!"
Probably right. And most of them will be Eastern European/non Irish so wont make a difference to Kildare or Meath's football fortunes.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 20/04/2019 12:37:24    2179656

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Probably right. And most of them will be Eastern European/non Irish so wont make a difference to Kildare or Meath's football fortunes."
Not necessarily believe it or not, an u14 lad (Irish from polish parents) with our club regularly wears his Wisla Krakow top in training and he's not a bad prospect at all. Also last summer a couple of Latvian families with young kids were often down watching the games and the men became club members, and have come in most w-ends since and enjoy a few pints. It's great to see.

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 20/04/2019 22:52:17    2179695

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Replying To jobber:  "That's what happened East Meath were the loyal servants of the crown giving them their royal title while they poured thousands of their troops in their efforts to control the patriots in the WEST. We will have nothing to do with the collaborators not then not now and never and moreover they can't hurl"
Meath got the Royal title from when Tara was the capital of old Gaelic Ireland.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1346 - 21/04/2019 11:08:01    2179718

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Silly me. I forgot to mention that Tipperary also 'confiscated' a parish in Offaly- Moneygall- Remember when Obama came there, he came to Co Offaly. So it would be a good idea to 'incorporate' some strong club from Cavan or Longford into the mix as well, while ye are at it."
"Confiscate" is not the correct word here Oldtourman. Moneygall village is in Offaly but the parish is partly in Offaly and partly in Tipperary. In fact the Moneygall GAA pitch, just outside the village, is in Tipperary, as is the famous Obama Plaza (just off the M7). So if you stop off in the Plaza next August on your way to Croke Park, be assured that you will be dining in Tipperary!
The Moneygall club has competed in Tipperary for more than 100 years. Apparently there was an arrangement agreed between the two counties whereby Moneygall would play in Tipperary while the Carrig-Riverstown club (just outside Birr) would compete in Offaly even though much of their catchment area is actually in Tipperary.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 542 - 21/04/2019 13:20:36    2179738

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Replying To cuttothebone:  "Not necessarily believe it or not, an u14 lad (Irish from polish parents) with our club regularly wears his Wisla Krakow top in training and he's not a bad prospect at all. Also last summer a couple of Latvian families with young kids were often down watching the games and the men became club members, and have come in most w-ends since and enjoy a few pints. It's great to see."
That's good to hear.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 21/04/2019 14:22:51    2179742

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Meath got the Royal title from when Tara was the capital of old Gaelic Ireland."
Not at all a myth created by East Meath propaganda the Royal was for the part of the province of Meath known as the pale totally subservient to the Royal forces. Westmeath was the home of the patriot Irish fighting the occupation. Its a simple historical fact that's unbearable for ye to admit. And let nobody be in doubt that any supposed merger will like the diocese have its capital in Mullingar.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1456 - 22/04/2019 08:49:25    2179798

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Replying To jobber:  "Not at all a myth created by East Meath propaganda the Royal was for the part of the province of Meath known as the pale totally subservient to the Royal forces. Westmeath was the home of the patriot Irish fighting the occupation. Its a simple historical fact that's unbearable for ye to admit. And let nobody be in doubt that any supposed merger will like the diocese have its capital in Mullingar."
It's you that believes in myths. Meath got its name based on Tara being the capital of Gaelic Ireland. Also originally the seat of the Meath Bishop was the monastery in Clonard (in County Meath), then when the Normans set up the town of Trim it was moved to Trim (again in county Meath). Later it moved to Navan (again in County Meath, this is why St. Finians diocesan college was originally based in Navan). The seat of the Meath diocess was only moved to Mullingar because Navan was a very strong Parnellite town and the Bishop at the time was anti Parnell during the split in the Irish parlamentery party.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1346 - 22/04/2019 21:36:14    2179843

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "It's you that believes in myths. Meath got its name based on Tara being the capital of Gaelic Ireland. Also originally the seat of the Meath Bishop was the monastery in Clonard (in County Meath), then when the Normans set up the town of Trim it was moved to Trim (again in county Meath). Later it moved to Navan (again in County Meath, this is why St. Finians diocesan college was originally based in Navan). The seat of the Meath diocess was only moved to Mullingar because Navan was a very strong Parnellite town and the Bishop at the time was anti Parnell during the split in the Irish parlamentery party."
To hell with Parnell and all you Anglo loving East Meathers long live the patriots of Westmeath and you still can't hurl

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1456 - 22/04/2019 22:36:33    2179853

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Replying To jobber:  "To hell with Parnell and all you Anglo loving East Meathers long live the patriots of Westmeath and you still can't hurl"
Over the years the Pale boundary moved over time and it didn't include all county Meath. In terms of history all the important stuff from Irish history regarding the Province of Meath was in what became County Meath (Tara, Lough Crew, Bru na Boinne (the Newgrange/ Knowth/ Dowth complex)). Westmeath has lakes and crappy land. Over the years Meath and Westmeath have been similar at hurling, sometimes competing in the Leinster championship, sometimes not been let into it. By the way congrats to Westmeath on winning the Leinster football championship once.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1346 - 23/04/2019 08:28:17    2179866

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Listen I feel your pain and your lack of identity which leads to many problems.As we all know Meath as gaelige means middle or central.Which of course is where WestMEATH is.You poor devils locked into the east of the country are called after something completely distinct to what you are.its so sad and possibly is the reason for all the societal problems affecting that sad part of the nation.All one has to do is listen to the manager of the football teams family and their urge to burn wood.I would say there are only two solutions 1 We take you back to Midhe as the Croi na Heireann or a sadder solution Meath as you so wrongly call it is renamed Oirthear(easterner).I would say the good people of Westmeath the Croi na Heireann would in the interests of charity give option 1 serious consideration.Of course we would not be able to take anybody on the east coast but the people around Kells,Athboy,Trim Enfield and even Oldcastle would with proper counselling in Mullingar and Athlone be reintegrated into the real Midhe.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1456 - 26/04/2019 12:11:26    2180373

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Replying To jobber:  "Listen I feel your pain and your lack of identity which leads to many problems.As we all know Meath as gaelige means middle or central.Which of course is where WestMEATH is.You poor devils locked into the east of the country are called after something completely distinct to what you are.its so sad and possibly is the reason for all the societal problems affecting that sad part of the nation.All one has to do is listen to the manager of the football teams family and their urge to burn wood.I would say there are only two solutions 1 We take you back to Midhe as the Croi na Heireann or a sadder solution Meath as you so wrongly call it is renamed Oirthear(easterner).I would say the good people of Westmeath the Croi na Heireann would in the interests of charity give option 1 serious consideration.Of course we would not be able to take anybody on the east coast but the people around Kells,Athboy,Trim Enfield and even Oldcastle would with proper counselling in Mullingar and Athlone be reintegrated into the real Midhe."
West Meath ... Just west of Meath! Could change it to south Longford, east galway, south Cavan. Take your pick!!

Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 595 - 29/04/2019 18:02:05    2180895

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "It's you that believes in myths. Meath got its name based on Tara being the capital of Gaelic Ireland. Also originally the seat of the Meath Bishop was the monastery in Clonard (in County Meath), then when the Normans set up the town of Trim it was moved to Trim (again in county Meath). Later it moved to Navan (again in County Meath, this is why St. Finians diocesan college was originally based in Navan). The seat of the Meath diocess was only moved to Mullingar because Navan was a very strong Parnellite town and the Bishop at the time was anti Parnell during the split in the Irish parlamentery party."
Without meaning to get bogged into a historical debate, but as an avid local historian I have to correct you on one part;

Trim wasn't set up by the Normans, it was already the residence of king Fedelmid, son of Lóeguire by the time St. Loman (after whom the local GAA grounds are named) founded a church there in AD 432. It was settled as a strategically important spot both for transport up and down the Boyne, and also as a ford on the North-South road through Meath.

Obviously once the Normans got there it was expanded, built upon and made into a "town" in the charter sense, gaining both military and as you state ecclesiastical importance, but it was a significant settlement hundreds of years before the Normans.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 29/04/2019 18:36:58    2180902

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Replying To Bernardo:  "West Meath ... Just west of Meath! Could change it to south Longford, east galway, south Cavan. Take your pick!!"
Or North Offaly.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 29/04/2019 18:53:34    2180906

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I'd be all for it. Would make for a decent hurling team too. Meath hurling will get much stronger over the next 20 years. Not sure about westmeath.

So bring it on. We might lose to the Dubs by 5 rather then 10.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 30/04/2019 06:08:36    2180954

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