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Replying To JDF:  "Who do the Mayo posters think will be their starting 15 com e the championship.

I think he'll go with Hennelly and Higgins, Barrett, Harrison, Keegan & Durcan are certs along with Ruane, AOS, the 2 O'Connors, McLaughlin & Doherty will leaves 3 places up for grabs."
Think Vaughan is a cert also, i.e. same back 6 as Sunday.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3567 - 03/04/2019 16:05:16    2177524

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Attempting a second hop regardless of whether you catch it again is a foul. You're right that he realised he'd taken a second hop which is why he punched it, but it is a foul. One I've had blown against me a few times.
If the ball has been caught initially after the first hop, you can't hop it again straight after."
The rule around the bounce was amended in 2010 to state that a double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught after the second bounce.

The same rule change deemed that a basketball style double bounce is also not a foul.

I wouldn't be totally shocked if some referees didn't know this and blow up for it incorrectly.

Cliffords goal was a perfectly good goal unless I have missed something

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1498 - 03/04/2019 16:28:17    2177528

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Think Vaughan is a cert also, i.e. same back 6 as Sunday."
can see him starting various matches but his power running game an be very effective from the bench in tight mathes.

Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 03/04/2019 17:58:12    2177554

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Kerry are a year or two away yet.
Dublin won the 2014 u21 all Ireland and half that team backboned last years all Ireland. Added to lads that won u21's in 2010 and 2012. They also won in 2017 so will be around for a while yet.

Mayo won the U21 in 2016 and Sunday's team had 4 or 5 from that team with 5 of the 2006 team still playing (Higgins, Barrett, Boyle, Vaughan, Mcloughlin)

Tyrone won in 2015 and had 5 or 6 from that team in last years panel and they should be very good this year.

Galway's panel is made from the 2011 and 2013 all Ireland U21 winners.

The reality is Kerry would have won last year U20 but for Clifford and O shea being prevented from playing.

Most lads don't become top quality reliable county players until 24 bar the real superstars (fenton s and Cliffords of this world). So Kerry will come good but it will be 2021 before they are a match for Dublin."
Tirawley, I think you're right with the number of survivors from 2006, but one or two of the names I think are different. The survivors I believe are Higgins, Barrett, Boyle, SOS, and Caff. McLoughlin was a minor that year and I'm pretty sure Donal Vaughan was about 16 in 2006.

We all know there are no guarantees at all with minor talent... so many of them lose interest or just don't step up either physically or in terms of their football. Then there's the likes of Lee Keegan who never played minor and developed late. The net in every county needs to be a wide one.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 1981 - 03/04/2019 18:00:30    2177556

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Replying To Vishred:  "Expecting Ryan O'Donoghue to take a spot when he returns from injury, he is possibly our most promising attacking forward
carr should start if he an stay fit allowing to rotate with Andy .
Fionn MCDonagh should be close to a starting berth but its all about having 6 that an step off the bench ."
From what ive heard Ryan O Donoghue has other problems to contend with and dont think James Horan will be selecting him

tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 326 - 03/04/2019 18:29:34    2177563

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Think Vaughan is a cert also, i.e. same back 6 as Sunday."
I hope hes not a cert, hes not a good passer of the ball, gave away 2 or 3 balls the last with bad kick passing and also ran into trouble a few times and got caught. He be more of an impact coming on but not good enough to start these days. Boyle is a problem too as he seems to be only able to be an impact sub also.
Vaughan might well start as McCormack, Plunkett are too in expierenced. Maybs Eoin O Donoghue can come into corner back and Barrett out to 6

tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 326 - 03/04/2019 18:37:12    2177566

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James Horan likes Vaughan. He covers serious ground, never shy about getting stuck in and seems to have curbed his fiery temper a bit. His attacking threat has improved though he still makes me nervous when he gets in scoring range.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5406 - 03/04/2019 19:17:11    2177569

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Kerry are a year or two away yet.
Dublin won the 2014 u21 all Ireland and half that team backboned last years all Ireland. Added to lads that won u21's in 2010 and 2012. They also won in 2017 so will be around for a while yet.

Mayo won the U21 in 2016 and Sunday's team had 4 or 5 from that team with 5 of the 2006 team still playing (Higgins, Barrett, Boyle, Vaughan, Mcloughlin)

Tyrone won in 2015 and had 5 or 6 from that team in last years panel and they should be very good this year.

Galway's panel is made from the 2011 and 2013 all Ireland U21 winners.

The reality is Kerry would have won last year U20 but for Clifford and O shea being prevented from playing.

Most lads don't become top quality reliable county players until 24 bar the real superstars (fenton s and Cliffords of this world). So Kerry will come good but it will be 2021 before they are a match for Dublin."
Vaughan and McLoughlin were too young for the 2006 U21 team. Vaughan is 30 at the moment and McLoughlin is still 29.

Barrett, Higgins, Cafferkey, Boyle and Seamie O'Shea are the ones from that team still involved with the seniors.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 133 - 03/04/2019 21:00:20    2177584

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "The rule around the bounce was amended in 2010 to state that a double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught after the second bounce.

The same rule change deemed that a basketball style double bounce is also not a foul.

I wouldn't be totally shocked if some referees didn't know this and blow up for it incorrectly.

Cliffords goal was a perfectly good goal unless I have missed something"
Thanks for that. My info was definitely pre 2010. I hear you can't hand pass a goal anymore either :-)

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1256 - 04/04/2019 09:45:53    2177629

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Replying To Superglue:  "Thanks for that. My info was definitely pre 2010. I hear you can't hand pass a goal anymore either :-)"
Yeah presumably this was brought in to help players who are being tackled / swarmed to avoid fouling the ball when they can't solo.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1498 - 04/04/2019 10:03:08    2177633

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Replying To MayoDan:  "Vaughan and McLoughlin were too young for the 2006 U21 team. Vaughan is 30 at the moment and McLoughlin is still 29.

Barrett, Higgins, Cafferkey, Boyle and Seamie O'Shea are the ones from that team still involved with the seniors."
Mcloughlin is 31 hard to believe he's that age feels like yesterday he was a young fella making his way on the Mayo team.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9861 - 04/04/2019 12:32:37    2177663

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Mcloughlin is 31 hard to believe he's that age feels like yesterday he was a young fella making his way on the Mayo team."
When you look at that Mayo team and Dublin team they both started out together back in 2010/2011 dublin have moved on a lot more players over the last 8/9 year though than Mayo have although I'd say Dublin might be bringing back 1/2 this summer in Connolly and o'carroll .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9334 - 04/04/2019 12:54:51    2177671

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "The rule around the bounce was amended in 2010 to state that a double bounce is not effected until the ball is caught after the second bounce.

The same rule change deemed that a basketball style double bounce is also not a foul.

I wouldn't be totally shocked if some referees didn't know this and blow up for it incorrectly.

Cliffords goal was a perfectly good goal unless I have missed something"
The rule that was amended relates only to whether the player has control of the ball before the second hop. A hop without catching it followed by another (basketball style as you said), is fine since that change of rule.
If a player catches the ball after the first hop and has it under control, the next action cannot be another hop, even if they don't catch it.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 538 - 04/04/2019 13:35:33    2177678

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Mcloughlin is 31 hard to believe he's that age feels like yesterday he was a young fella making his way on the Mayo team."
McLoughlin is still 29. Doesn't turn 30 for another few months. He was on the same underage teams as Keegan and Doherty.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 133 - 04/04/2019 14:02:57    2177683

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What do the Kerry experts think about the Tommy Walsh experiment now? Was it a waste of time?.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 69 - 04/04/2019 14:12:17    2177688

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Replying To MayoDan:  "McLoughlin is still 29. Doesn't turn 30 for another few months. He was on the same underage teams as Keegan and Doherty."
Ah here! He's 31 and 6 foot 6 inches tall. Wikipedia knows.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5406 - 04/04/2019 14:31:13    2177694

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Replying To MayoDan:  "McLoughlin is still 29. Doesn't turn 30 for another few months. He was on the same underage teams as Keegan and Doherty."
Mayo U21 team v Sligo in the Connacht final: Robert Hennelly; Eoghan O'Reilly, Kevin Keane, John Broderick; Donal Vaughan, Lee Keegan, Kevin McLoughlin; Tom Parsons Aidan O'Shea; Cathal Carolan, Frank Burke, Brian Gallagher; Michael Sweeney, Neill Douglas, Jason Doherty. Subs: Sean Prendergast for Broderick (26 mins ), Conor Jordan for Neill Douglas (53 mins ), Niall Prenty for Frank Burke (54 mins ), Jason Gibbons for Cathal Carolan.

A fair number made the step up under James Horan to senior from that side, which lost the semi-final to Down, who in turn were pipped by Cork in the final. Amazing how few of those Cork and Down players went on to make a name for themselves despite being talented, although I'm sure a few of the Cork lads were on the panel that won Sam the year after. Shows the difference having the senior structures right makes.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 1981 - 04/04/2019 14:41:56    2177697

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "The rule that was amended relates only to whether the player has control of the ball before the second hop. A hop without catching it followed by another (basketball style as you said), is fine since that change of rule.
If a player catches the ball after the first hop and has it under control, the next action cannot be another hop, even if they don't catch it."
Where are you reading that in the rulebook? After looking at the 2010 amendment I must say that is not my interpretation at all. The wording of the amended rule is pretty clear and the clarification around the basketball hop is a separate line entirely.

I can't copy / paste as I'm on a phone and I can't be bothered retyping the whole amendment but honestly I don't think you are correct

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1498 - 04/04/2019 14:42:47    2177698

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Replying To Aibrean:  "What do the Kerry experts think about the Tommy Walsh experiment now? Was it a waste of time?."
Think it's fair to say he was very poor the last day. Dispossessed too many times.
But from all accounts he had a good league campaign from what I saw. Certainly not a waste of time. That said personally I would always pick Geaney over him, would also have introduced him earlier the last day, maybe the reason was he hasn't played a lot of football over the last few weeks.

candlewax (Galway) - Posts: 178 - 04/04/2019 14:44:29    2177699

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Replying To Aibrean:  "What do the Kerry experts think about the Tommy Walsh experiment now? Was it a waste of time?."
Not a waste of time, he may have some part to play but I'm not convinced that he offers enough as a starter. A fully fit and in-form Paul Geaney is ahead of him IMO and a Clifford / Geaney inside line offers a very decent aerial threat without Walsh. I'd certainly have him on the panel though.

I wouldn't be stressing too much about who will be starting there anyway, our problems lie elsewhere.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1498 - 04/04/2019 14:48:43    2177702

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