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2019 Division 1 League Final.

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "You think either of these teams could get a hammering? Mayo of 2010 has no relevance to this team and Kerry are building with a team of serious young forwards, nobody is going to take a hammering here."
I think Kerry could hammer Mayo Sunday

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Mayo could hammer Kerry Sunday


I'm not saying there will be a hammering but maybe Sunday we could find out that one team just isn't good enough this year. Sometimes it's better to be in Tyrone's place finishing the league on a high and going into the champo full of confidence. One team has to lose Sunday

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9861 - 26/03/2019 11:57:49    2175507

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I think the need to win is more with us if I'm being honest. Another final defeat even its its the league will cast doubts heading to summer football

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 9820 - 26/03/2019 12:19:54    2175515

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "I keep hearing on podcasts and radio shows that both managers will be delighted with how the league went and that their in a final , yeah but if one of them takes a hammering in the final the whole season can go down hill. Remember Mayo in '10 had a great league then got hammered by Cork in the final the season really ended that day the team lost all confidence."
That's a fair point and always a possibility. We went on to lose to Longford and Cork lifted the Sam. Some contrast! That was a team at the end of it's time under John O'Mahony. Also many of lost the 2007 League Final. So James Horan started rebuilding in late 2010. Cork beat us well in another league final in 2012 but it didn't affect us as badly. A lot to do with how coaches can rally the team after a big defeat and if they can learn from their mistakes and improve.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5406 - 26/03/2019 12:28:00    2175522

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Replying To yew_tree:  "I think the need to win is more with us if I'm being honest. Another final defeat even its its the league will cast doubts heading to summer football"
I agree. Mayo's senior team NEED to lift some silverware in Croke Park. A national title would do them wonders

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13486 - 26/03/2019 12:51:47    2175528

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "I think Kerry could hammer Mayo Sunday

I also think


Mayo could hammer Kerry Sunday


I'm not saying there will be a hammering but maybe Sunday we could find out that one team just isn't good enough this year. Sometimes it's better to be in Tyrone's place finishing the league on a high and going into the champo full of confidence. One team has to lose Sunday"
So you think Mayo could hammer Kerry, Kerry could hammer Mayo and there also might not be a hammering. Brilliant stuff.

Mayo have been barely avoiding relegation the last few years and have ended up in a league final despite chopping and changing half the team game on game. Kerry are building as well. Tyrone didn't mean to get hammered by Mayo, if they didn't they would in a final. Dublin still the team to beat, with Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone the best placed to give them a rattle on the biggest day. That won't change after Sunday.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6376 - 26/03/2019 12:57:18    2175533

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "So you think Mayo could hammer Kerry, Kerry could hammer Mayo and there also might not be a hammering. Brilliant stuff.

Mayo have been barely avoiding relegation the last few years and have ended up in a league final despite chopping and changing half the team game on game. Kerry are building as well. Tyrone didn't mean to get hammered by Mayo, if they didn't they would in a final. Dublin still the team to beat, with Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone the best placed to give them a rattle on the biggest day. That won't change after Sunday."
You're having a go at me like my original post was an attack on mayo it wasn't , I was just saying that if things go wrong for one team it can have a bad effect on the rest of the season. Maybe it will be a one point win and the result could of went either way and both teams will be very confident going into the summer, but from my experience on here and in the media after a win a team is great and after a defeat their going nowhere.

Someone mentioned the league in '12 well if you remember Kerry blew a semi final league against mayo and Kerry never really recovered that season.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9861 - 26/03/2019 13:22:14    2175542

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "I think Kerry could hammer Mayo Sunday

I also think


Mayo could hammer Kerry Sunday


I'm not saying there will be a hammering but maybe Sunday we could find out that one team just isn't good enough this year. Sometimes it's better to be in Tyrone's place finishing the league on a high and going into the champo full of confidence. One team has to lose Sunday"
if its a tight affair, played close to championship level pace, then both teams will have benefitted from the game.

Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 26/03/2019 14:18:34    2175550

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Fancy Mayo to walk it, that Kerry side are overrated, will struggle against Cork in C'ship

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 928 - 26/03/2019 14:32:46    2175556

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "Fancy Mayo to walk it, that Kerry side are overrated, will struggle against Cork in C'ship"
A Cork side full of confidence

Fewpucks24 (Galway) - Posts: 83 - 26/03/2019 14:42:06    2175558

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "You're having a go at me like my original post was an attack on mayo it wasn't , I was just saying that if things go wrong for one team it can have a bad effect on the rest of the season. Maybe it will be a one point win and the result could of went either way and both teams will be very confident going into the summer, but from my experience on here and in the media after a win a team is great and after a defeat their going nowhere.

Someone mentioned the league in '12 well if you remember Kerry blew a semi final league against mayo and Kerry never really recovered that season."
Nope I didn't think you were having a go at Mayo at all. Just you randomly made comparisons to a game in 2010 which has absolutely no relevance to the 2 current teams and where they are at development wise. And then you sat on both sides of the fence and on top of the fence in your reply. Both teams fine for the summer after Sunday.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6376 - 26/03/2019 14:48:11    2175560

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Nope I didn't think you were having a go at Mayo at all. Just you randomly made comparisons to a game in 2010 which has absolutely no relevance to the 2 current teams and where they are at development wise. And then you sat on both sides of the fence and on top of the fence in your reply. Both teams fine for the summer after Sunday."
I should of used Derry in '14 as an example instead of Mayo then you mightn't have got so upset with me,

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9861 - 26/03/2019 14:58:53    2175564

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "Fancy Mayo to walk it, that Kerry side are overrated, will struggle against Cork in C'ship"
Cork?? Is it 2010

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 9820 - 26/03/2019 15:39:43    2175581

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "I should of used Derry in '14 as an example instead of Mayo then you mightn't have got so upset with me,"
Lol.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6376 - 26/03/2019 15:57:54    2175587

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This really is a hard game to call especially as Mayo handed Kerry their only defeat in the League. A more battle hardened and physical Mayo were able to impose themselves on a younger Kerry team that night and yet the weather was so appalling that the match became a lottery and in the end, for all their dominance, Mayo only won by a late goal.

Will a dry day and the expanses of Croke Park further underline Mayo physical advantages or conversely will it work to the advantage of a pacier Kerry side?
It's set-up to be a great game. I also think a lot of Kerry supporters will travel to it so we should have a decent crowd, esp with the hurling beforehand.

From a Kerry point of view I'm delighted to see our young lads getting to play a serious rival, in front of a big crowd with silverware on the line. This really should have a championship intensity to it and could be Kerry's last serious examination before the Super 8's if Cork and Tipp's trajectories keep on their downward spiral though Clare might offer more a challenge.

Given that this rematch with Mayo comes so soon after our last clash its going to be fascinating to see how much Peter Keane and the players have learnt from the reversal in Tralee. The one lesson I hope they have learned is the need to stand up to the physical challenge Mayo represent. AOS bossed our lads around in Tralee and can't be allowed impose himself like that again. It's up to the likes of Jack Barry to take the game to him. Midfield remains an array of concern for Kerry and we lack cover here. Tralee proved Mayo have the advantage in the middle and we need to negate that.
But we have forwards that should cause any defence nightmares and if they click, as they did at times in Roscommon, we should have a great chance.
Overall, I think this game could tell us a lot of how close or far away we are from being serious contenders this summer. I also expect Keane to stick with the players that have got us this far so while Clifford and possibly JOD could start, the rest of the team will be similar to what we have seen all League.

For Mayo, its excellent work to make a final after rotating so much of their team over the seven games and given that dip against Dublin and Galway. While I know the League is a secondary concern for them and us, I would echo other posters and wonder why Mayo would not be going all out now to win this game. The psychological impact of claiming national silverware in Croke Park for a side that have lost so many finals here cannot be underestimated IMO.

For me its too close to call, but I expect this Kerry team to turn up and perform, unlike the last time we crossed paths with Mayo in Croker! I also expect them to fight to the end, as Keane has certainly instilled this admirable trait.

Really looking forward to it now.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 4844 - 26/03/2019 16:08:31    2175591

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Both management teams will have the same objective for Sunday... to get a fair few new players out onto Croker and give them the opportunity to show that they belong there. Kerry will feel they've a point to prove after the game in Tralee, with some observers saying they were muscled out of it in certain parts of the pitch, and so this motivation might be enough to give them an edge on the scoreboard come the final whistle. Let's not forget, Mayo's last Croke Park appearance a few weeks back was a non-performance. A repeat and Clondalkin's speculation about a heavy beating mightn't prove so fanciful. I think we'll be pipped by a point or two... 4 max. I'd imagine that's where the bookies will be pitching it too. A draw wouldn't be out of the question...

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 1981 - 26/03/2019 17:16:31    2175603

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Great post there, Hermit. Only point I might quibble with is the idea that Kerry because they're young, are pacier. Depends who lines out for either side, but even our older brigade still have bags of pace. Admittedly we've one or two bulldozers, but I have to say AOS looks very fit this year. Hopefully the weather will stay settled... it'd be nice to see two positive sides play in conditions that'll bring out the best in them.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 1981 - 26/03/2019 17:52:25    2175614

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I'm looking forward to the games on Sunday .

I don't get to see many hurling games so this will be a good experience . As for the football I think Mayo will be ravenous for the win so I'd give them the nod plus everyone would love to see Mayo win a national title except us on this occasion .

gallarus14 (Kerry) - Posts: 65 - 26/03/2019 18:45:45    2175626

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Replying To Pericles:  "Great post there, Hermit. Only point I might quibble with is the idea that Kerry because they're young, are pacier. Depends who lines out for either side, but even our older brigade still have bags of pace. Admittedly we've one or two bulldozers, but I have to say AOS looks very fit this year. Hopefully the weather will stay settled... it'd be nice to see two positive sides play in conditions that'll bring out the best in them."
That's true, but I think Kerry's Achilles heel in the past 2-3 years has been a lack of pace and I do think we have a lot more of it now in the team with the new lads coming through.

As for AOS, yes I saw him up close in Tralee and he looks lean and mean though I still have a suspicion that come hard ground in a big pitch like Croker he won't have the legs to last 80mins. If I was Kerry I'd be looking to drag him around the place on Sunday and run him ragged.
I'll also be honest and say I've often questioned him in big games, but he certainly took charge in Tralee and if he can keep that up, Mayo will be very dangerous this year.

I suppose a big crowd will be coming over from the West? Is it 2012 since Mayo were last in a final? A big game in Croker is always something to look forward to, esp seeing as we've two long months till the Championship after it!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 4844 - 26/03/2019 19:56:26    2175644

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Something that is being overlooked with this Kerry team is their defensive work in the league.
They have really tightened up at the back having one of the best scores conceded record this season.
You can see the work rate has been fantastic and players like Graham O Sullivan, Tom Sullivan, Sherwood, Murphy have done excellent.
Kerry always has forwards its the backs we needed work on and thats given me the most satisfaction.
Contrary to recent lazy analysis i think Kerrys defensive work has been the most impressive part of our league performance.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1201 - 26/03/2019 20:09:08    2175646

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Replying To TheHermit:  "That's true, but I think Kerry's Achilles heel in the past 2-3 years has been a lack of pace and I do think we have a lot more of it now in the team with the new lads coming through.

As for AOS, yes I saw him up close in Tralee and he looks lean and mean though I still have a suspicion that come hard ground in a big pitch like Croker he won't have the legs to last 80mins. If I was Kerry I'd be looking to drag him around the place on Sunday and run him ragged.
I'll also be honest and say I've often questioned him in big games, but he certainly took charge in Tralee and if he can keep that up, Mayo will be very dangerous this year.

I suppose a big crowd will be coming over from the West? Is it 2012 since Mayo were last in a final? A big game in Croker is always something to look forward to, esp seeing as we've two long months till the Championship after it!"
Big crowd from Mayo I'd imagine will travel. We only have 5 weeks to wait after that..a trip over to NYC for the opening round of the Connacht championship...exciting times!

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 9820 - 26/03/2019 22:52:16    2175715

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