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Replying To Htaem: "This is it, I think the Gaa done well to stay out of hot political issues lately in Ireland and hopefully it steers clear of this aswell." Yep. Absolutely
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/03/2019 22:15:32
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Replying To thegadfly: "Of course the GAA should campaign for REunification. That's why we have a competition called the ALL Ireland. In my own local club there are plenty of protestants playing especially at underage level and it's a joy to see. We need to be aiming for a shared future free from sectarianism. People should start getting used to the idea because Brexit is fast forwarding reunification." Then let it, but the gaa stays out of it. It is a non political organization. Would you have been in favor of it taking a position of either of the two recent referendums? I wouldn't have been. Sport and politics don't mix. The poll today shows that unification is by no means certain. But that's another debate. Would u be happy if another all ire sporting organization took a opposing view on this ??
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/03/2019 22:19:22
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The GAA was highly criticised pre 1916 and was seen generally as a backward organisation trying to maintain traditions that were old and not necessary anymore. These traditions were essentially anything that remained of us as Irish people. The GAA established themselves to preserve the tradition and culture of the irish people not only through sports but also through language, dance, music etc. These traditions were Irish and non british so it's wasn't a suprise when revolutionary times started that the aligned themselves very easily with the GAA and as a result the GAA was and still is seen by some as a pro nationalist 32 county organisation.
The truth is that although it was a constant right throughout the troubles, the GAA is now in a very different Ireland. Plenty of GAA people had different principles 30 years ago than now and the principles of the most now is what decision would be financially better for ME. 100 years ago the majority if not all GAA people would want a 32 county Ireland but now I'd hazard a guess that the further south you go the likelihood is that less and less people really care and if it meant that we in southern ireland had to make any compromises then they would say no.
The GAA should continue to be a 32 county organisation promoting what is good about Irish sport and cultural traditions and leave the decisions on borders and politics to those paid to do it. Canvassing for a 32 county ireland will only divide opinion within the organisation and could open up wounds that have been dormant since partition.
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 07/03/2019 22:21:37
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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "The GAA was highly criticised pre 1916 and was seen generally as a backward organisation trying to maintain traditions that were old and not necessary anymore. These traditions were essentially anything that remained of us as Irish people. The GAA established themselves to preserve the tradition and culture of the irish people not only through sports but also through language, dance, music etc. These traditions were Irish and non british so it's wasn't a suprise when revolutionary times started that the aligned themselves very easily with the GAA and as a result the GAA was and still is seen by some as a pro nationalist 32 county organisation.
The truth is that although it was a constant right throughout the troubles, the GAA is now in a very different Ireland. Plenty of GAA people had different principles 30 years ago than now and the principles of the most now is what decision would be financially better for ME. 100 years ago the majority if not all GAA people would want a 32 county Ireland but now I'd hazard a guess that the further south you go the likelihood is that less and less people really care and if it meant that we in southern ireland had to make any compromises then they would say no.
The GAA should continue to be a 32 county organisation promoting what is good about Irish sport and cultural traditions and leave the decisions on borders and politics to those paid to do it. Canvassing for a 32 county ireland will only divide opinion within the organisation and could open up wounds that have been dormant since partition." Agreed
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/03/2019 22:36:46
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Replying To Htaem: ""Joe Brolly has said"......that's usually enough for me to tune straight out and I haven't read his article either but just replying to the thread here itself, no I think the Gaa should stay out of any such campaign.
I love the Gaa for the sports themselves, when I go to a sporting event I want to get away from the bombardment of political spiel we hear on the radio every day, be it Brexit, the children's hospital overspend, whatever the in 'crisis' of the day is (seems to be a new 'crisis' every f'in week) etc etc
Leave the politics at the turnstiles lads and just enjoy the game." I always love the way that it's often people whose counties did f all in the war of independence who have the most partionist views, as Ernie O Malley said on another man's wound
Whether people like it or not the GAA is much more than a sporting organisation and by its very constitution is a Nationalist organisation, there is nothing wrong with that and many many members are proud of its ethos and aims....others treat it as just another sport which is fine but I wonder what the views would be of the committee members and office bearers up and down the country as opposed to the 'casual' members
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Replying To royaldunne: "Then let it, but the gaa stays out of it. It is a non political organization. Would you have been in favor of it taking a position of either of the two recent referendums? I wouldn't have been. Sport and politics don't mix. The poll today shows that unification is by no means certain. But that's another debate. Would u be happy if another all ire sporting organization took a opposing view on this ??" There is no comparison between the last two referenda and a border poll none whatsoever....why would the GAA have an overall position on something like abortion or gay marriage those are fundamentally different issues to the reunification of this island particular in relation to the stated aims and constitution of the GAA.....some of ye would need to learn a bit about the organisation u claim to be members of......
PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 07/03/2019 22:44:48
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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "The GAA was highly criticised pre 1916 and was seen generally as a backward organisation trying to maintain traditions that were old and not necessary anymore. These traditions were essentially anything that remained of us as Irish people. The GAA established themselves to preserve the tradition and culture of the irish people not only through sports but also through language, dance, music etc. These traditions were Irish and non british so it's wasn't a suprise when revolutionary times started that the aligned themselves very easily with the GAA and as a result the GAA was and still is seen by some as a pro nationalist 32 county organisation.
The truth is that although it was a constant right throughout the troubles, the GAA is now in a very different Ireland. Plenty of GAA people had different principles 30 years ago than now and the principles of the most now is what decision would be financially better for ME. 100 years ago the majority if not all GAA people would want a 32 county Ireland but now I'd hazard a guess that the further south you go the likelihood is that less and less people really care and if it meant that we in southern ireland had to make any compromises then they would say no.
The GAA should continue to be a 32 county organisation promoting what is good about Irish sport and cultural traditions and leave the decisions on borders and politics to those paid to do it. Canvassing for a 32 county ireland will only divide opinion within the organisation and could open up wounds that have been dormant since partition." Just as well those same men and women 100 yrs ago didn't think and feel the same way as yourself or the British would still occupy the whole of this island, as there was no financial gain in what they did.....it's sad to see how less than 100 yrs since partition there are many in the 26 counties who would deny their fellow Irishmen the same rights and entitlements that were given to them on the struggle of many across the whole of the island....
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Without having some idea of what a united Ireland would look like it is impossible to say whether the GAA should support it or not.
If what we are talking about is basically Northern Ireland joining the Republic and adopting all the trappings of the Republic as it stands then the answer is no & I wouldn't support it either as that would be nothing more than a takeover.
If, however, we are talking about a united Ireland which reinvents both entities in a way that everyone is comfortable with then fair enough.
Can't see that ever happening though.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 08/03/2019 00:26:12
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If people want to get involved in politics there are more than enough political parties to go around.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 08/03/2019 02:48:37
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The bottom line is that the GAA should not have a stake in outside matters. I don't even want the GAA touching the Irish Language. It should stick to the administration of hurling and Gaelic football.
If the GAA does take an official pro unification stance then there would be a big split in Munster. That's the strongest GAA province on the Island. Old Civil war divisions that people never ever taught would resurface , would resurface. The small subtle differences in political opinion would be forced to the surface and it would be the ruination of the GAA.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 08/03/2019 08:33:00
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This board looks more like what would be expected on an IRFU /West Brit discussion forum.
The GAA always was and always will be committed to The National Identity on a 32 County basis. Means to an end include promoting Gaelic football, Hurling , and also other gaelic pursuits such as handball,rounders, The Irish language and culture, music,dance,etc.
Of course the GAA should be behind a 32 county Ireland aspiration, even if it upsets a few die hard blueshirts.
Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 08/03/2019 09:44:34
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Is it a given that a consensus of GAA members would in this day and age support a United Ireland. I don't think so.
Then are you talking about the association having a debate on the issue itself to clarify its position on the matter.
What would be the fallout from that debate?
It just seems like a no win situation for the association to put itself in.
Those assuming the association should just be pro a United Ireland automatically are wrong.
The association is its members, any position the association would take on outside matters would be a matter for the associations own democratic process. To do otherwise would be authoritarian and would not be an association I'd be proud to be a member of.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 08/03/2019 09:44:50
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Replying To bloodyban: "The bottom line is that the GAA should not have a stake in outside matters. I don't even want the GAA touching the Irish Language. It should stick to the administration of hurling and Gaelic football.
If the GAA does take an official pro unification stance then there would be a big split in Munster. That's the strongest GAA province on the Island. Old Civil war divisions that people never ever taught would resurface , would resurface. The small subtle differences in political opinion would be forced to the surface and it would be the ruination of the GAA." Strongest GAA Province on the island?!?!? Big Talk sir, big talk
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 08/03/2019 10:14:14
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Replying To Ashrules: "This board looks more like what would be expected on an IRFU /West Brit discussion forum.
The GAA always was and always will be committed to The National Identity on a 32 County basis. Means to an end include promoting Gaelic football, Hurling , and also other gaelic pursuits such as handball,rounders, The Irish language and culture, music,dance,etc.
Of course the GAA should be behind a 32 county Ireland aspiration, even if it upsets a few die hard blueshirts." Will the GAA pay for a United Ireland? We can't even pay for the 26 counties.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 08/03/2019 10:19:57
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Will the GAA pay for a United Ireland? We can't even pay for the 26 counties." I was wondering when the "we can't afford it" brigade would chime in. Educate yourself. We can afford it. In fact we would be better of reunified as has been proven already. And anyway, even if we couldn't how about everyone taking a hit financially so we could help all Irish people live together in the same country and then work together to improve things.
thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 290 - 08/03/2019 10:30:43
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Replying To Ashrules: "This board looks more like what would be expected on an IRFU /West Brit discussion forum.
The GAA always was and always will be committed to The National Identity on a 32 County basis. Means to an end include promoting Gaelic football, Hurling , and also other gaelic pursuits such as handball,rounders, The Irish language and culture, music,dance,etc.
Of course the GAA should be behind a 32 county Ireland aspiration, even if it upsets a few die hard blueshirts." Spot on.
The day the GAA turns its back on those in the 6 counties is the day the association as we've all known it dies. They must support a united Ireland.
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I actually felt sorry for Karen Bradley this week as I think she is not aware of the hurt caused by the security forces against the GAA (example: Aiden Mc Anespie) and the community at large. I would accept her apology. Violence is always wrong and may it never scourge our country again. Time to reunite Ireland and the GAA should be overtly for this. The posters who like the 26 county set up are using politics to suit themselves. The GAA welcomes all people and I am a proud member. I think if there was a deal that the six counties could use the Euro, that would be a great step in the right direction. Also the soccer should merge, like the rugby. Peace to all.
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1672 - 08/03/2019 10:50:49
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Will the GAA pay for a United Ireland? We can't even pay for the 26 counties." The personal financial impact line was the one used by Scottish unionists in their independence referendum. It applied there, but as pointed out above, it doesn't apply here. Belfast would thrive under our corporation tax rules.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 08/03/2019 10:55:05
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Replying To Whammo86: "Is it a given that a consensus of GAA members would in this day and age support a United Ireland. I don't think so.
Then are you talking about the association having a debate on the issue itself to clarify its position on the matter.
What would be the fallout from that debate?
It just seems like a no win situation for the association to put itself in.
Those assuming the association should just be pro a United Ireland automatically are wrong.
The association is its members, any position the association would take on outside matters would be a matter for the associations own democratic process. To do otherwise would be authoritarian and would not be an association I'd be proud to be a member of." At Congress a few weeks ago there was an unanimous vote in favour of requesting the release of a Government report into the killing of Aidan McAnespie on his way to football training. That went beyond sport into politics, I wonder how many on here think that should not have been discussed at Congress?
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Joe Brolly doing as he always does, longing for adoration from the GAA public.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 08/03/2019 11:26:25
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