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Replying To GeniusGerry: "I honestly don't think it's about keeping Dublin there to ensure they are winning, they'll beat most teams anywhere regardless. It is down to money pure and simple. A full or nearly full Croke Park generates income that no other ground can match and it's not all about general ticket sales." You're right Gerry it's all about the money in the hurling there are no games in crokepark till the semifinals, but they love dragging us football people up to Dublin the whole time.
The price of running county teams in this day in age is colossal, which ever team makes it to the allireland final that's hotels food and travel for around 35 people x 3 and that doesn't factor in a replay, last years quarterfinal between ourselves and Galway should have been in limerick, it would have been better all involved and for limerick.
Im sick to Fook of crokepark, let us travel to other provincial grounds and spread the wealth.
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Replying To MesAmis: "But Donegal's motion took away none of the inequality.
It would have ensured Dublin got 2 home Super 8 fixtures. One in Croker and one in Parnell, what is fairer about that?
All the conspiracy theory stuff is missing the point that it was a silly motion that was going to still give Dublin 2 home Super 8 games.
Everyone is complaining, rightly so, that Dublin have 2 home Super 8 games, and those people are now complaining that this motion, that gives Dublin 2 home Super 8 games, was defeated!
Anyone of 31 counties could have brought a motion that ensures every county in the Super 8s gets one home game, one away game and one neutral game. But not a single county did. That's the problem." What would have been fairer about it, is that as per last year Donegal who had to play the Dubs twice in Croke Park would only play them once there, Croke Park bestows an awful big advantage to them than Parnell Park does, bigger pitch, majority of C'ship games played there, massive partisan crowd particularly on the Hill. The stats show how much of an advantage it is to them playing in Croke Park, so even taking one game to Parnell Park would have been fairer. No doubt you will come back with a multitude of reasons to contradict this just like Sean Kelly, John Horan & John Costello. It's amazing how blind people can become when the basic tenet of equality comes into play. Money spoke.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 27/02/2019 01:46:03
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Replying To TheUsername: "Well it's speculation on both our behalf's, but the historical precedent is there, which is why I believe a good few Leinster counties voted against. The Newbridge or nowhere thing, was I believe down to the context. Mayo are the second best supported county in the country, they would have brought 10ks to Croke Park and Kildare would have been hugely outnumbered, Kildare had a way better chance in Newbridge and rightly so given the rules backed them up.
Whether that will stay the same way I think remains to be seen. Kildare crowds tend to be a bit boom and bust in my expierence. I've seen them pack Croke Park almost on their own winning Leinster and competing for All Ireland's. Kildare can really mobilize a crowd when the going is good. I even remember the 17 Leinster final, 65k in Croke Park. I happened to be at the following last round qualifier against Armagh (incedently and ironically) in Croke Park, I'd never seen the ground so empty, I just couldn't get over where the crowd had gone in a week.
But as I say when in the mood Kildare can mobilize 250k odd people, Meath Similarly and dominate Croke Park given their population and proximity, they would be mad to vote for a motion that prohibits them from nominating Croke Park as a home venue as would most other Leinster Counties.
You could be right and Kildare could play every home game in Newbridge until the end of time, I don't think so myself, but they would be mad to vote to limit their choice as would some other counties. Like the Mayo game, Kildare will use the context that best suits them and rightly so." There was only one context in the Newbridge or nowhere thing and that was that Kildare, under the rules, were entitled to their home game but headquarters set about doing us out of it which wasn't going to be tolerated. Mayo,apart from being the second best supported county in the country were also regarded at the time as the second best team in the country so of course we thought we had a better chance against them at home. Doesn't every team in the country subscribe to that theory no matter who they are playing? Kildare would have been outnumbered in Croke Park anyway because fans were going to boycott the game, as was the team! I take your point on Kildare in 2017 but doesn't success and defeat bring rises and falls for every team. I still contend Kildare rank among the best supported counties given we have had very little to shout about for quite a while. Attendances at football matches are falling, that's public knowledge by now so the point of opening Croke Park for a game, whether it's Kildare,Meath, or whoever for an attendance of 20k or so just doesn't make sense. These games have more atmosphere, much more enjoyment for fans in regional venues so again, I would imagine Kildare would be hesitant to nominate Croke Park as a neutral venue given the better alternatives just as close by and easy to reach. Context is everything.
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Replying To MesAmis: "They could have brought a motion in that would have taken out the Croke Pk game and replaced it with a neutral game. Seán Kelly has said as much.
Of course the wording mattered. Donegal brought a motion that would have given Dublin 2 home games, just like now! Why do ppl think that would be better than what we have now?
The GAA could still make plenty of revenue off of a neutral or away Dublin game in Clones, Cavan, Castlebay, Galway, Killarney, Limerick, Cork etc etc. So the old grab all shtick doesn't wash either.
This was an outright silly motion." The logic of your argument is sound but for it to work properly the GAA would have to officially declare Croke Park as Dublin's home ground. PP wouldn't be countenanced as Dublin's home ground,if it was they would have been playing there regularly so the official home designation would have to move onto Croke Park, then a neutral match outside Dublin and the away match. While it's as clear as night follows day, the GAA never really want to come out and say publicly Croke Park is Dublin's home ground now. Seems to be something all involved are uncomfortable with. Secondly, if Sean Kelly was so interested in fairness, he could have lent his considerable experience to advise Donegal in wording their motion. He seemed to be extremely wise and vocal after the event but not as chirpy when he could have been useful. Politics, in every sense, you can't beat it.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 27/02/2019 02:27:37
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What would have been fairer about it, is that as per last year Donegal who had to play the Dubs twice in Croke Park would only play them once there, Croke Park bestows an awful big advantage to them than Parnell Park does, bigger pitch, majority of C'ship games played there, massive partisan crowd particularly on the Hill. The stats show how much of an advantage it is to them playing in Croke Park, so even taking one game to Parnell Park would have been fairer. No doubt you will come back with a multitude of reasons to contradict this just like Sean Kelly, John Horan & John Costello. It's amazing how blind people can become when the basic tenet of equality comes into play. Money spoke.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 340 - 2/27/19 1:46:03 AM
But that's BS.
There is no way that Parnell Park would have been fairer to Donegal than Croke Park. The majority of the Donegal players are experienced playing in Croke Park.
The majority of Donegal's players have never played in Parnell Park, all the Dublin players know every inch of Parnell Park as well as they know Croke Park. The partisan crowd would be far worse in Parnell Pk where the Dubs fans would almost be on top of the players as the ground is so tight.
At the very best Parnell Park is just as advantageous to Dublin as Croke Park, in reality it would probably be a bigger advantage to Dublin.
You say I'm blind to the inequality because I don't support Donegal's motion, the motion that does nothing to end the inequality.
I think Dublin should have one home game, one away game and one game at a neutral venue. That's equality. Giving Dublin 2 home games (one in Croker, one in PP) like you are suggesting is more unequal. You say I'm being blind, I'm genuinely flabbergasted that people wanted a motion passed that gave Dublin 2 home games in the Super 8s all the while giving out about Dublin getting 2 home games in the Super 8s. It makes zero sense and makes people look quite silly. You couldn't make it up.
The motion was bad as it didn't make things equal. Money didn't speak. Ineptitude spoke.
Multiple county boards failing to table a motion that ensured every team in the Super 8s got one home game, one away game and one neutral game spoke. That motion would have passed and will pass next year, as long as some county board bothers to actually propose it.
I want Dublin to have one home game, one away game and one neutral game. You seem to want Dublin to get 2 home games, one on Croker and one in Parnell Park, yet I'm the one blind to equality apparently. The mind boggles.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 27/02/2019 10:19:52
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Replying To kildare73: "There was only one context in the Newbridge or nowhere thing and that was that Kildare, under the rules, were entitled to their home game but headquarters set about doing us out of it which wasn't going to be tolerated. Mayo,apart from being the second best supported county in the country were also regarded at the time as the second best team in the country so of course we thought we had a better chance against them at home. Doesn't every team in the country subscribe to that theory no matter who they are playing? Kildare would have been outnumbered in Croke Park anyway because fans were going to boycott the game, as was the team! I take your point on Kildare in 2017 but doesn't success and defeat bring rises and falls for every team. I still contend Kildare rank among the best supported counties given we have had very little to shout about for quite a while. Attendances at football matches are falling, that's public knowledge by now so the point of opening Croke Park for a game, whether it's Kildare,Meath, or whoever for an attendance of 20k or so just doesn't make sense. These games have more atmosphere, much more enjoyment for fans in regional venues so again, I would imagine Kildare would be hesitant to nominate Croke Park as a neutral venue given the better alternatives just as close by and easy to reach. Context is everything." Yep, all good, its what im saying really.
It makes zero sense for Kildare, Meath or many Leinster counties to vote for a motion that would limit their choices, regardless of the spirit of where they wish they play, its always a good thing to have maximum options. Im not being critical of any county in particular, in fact if Kildare or Meath started doing well after Dublin regress id like to see them use Croke park if it facilitated a crowd or boosted there chance and i think it would make sense personally if the context was there, (more Kildare then Meath mind). Just reflecting on the logic of why some counties may have voted the way they did, seems a particular ground swell in Leinster.
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@MesAmis you know full well that PP was never a realistic option for a big championship game as it wouldn't even accommodate the season ticket holders. As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread the idea of Dublin's 'neutral' game being moved was closed off in 2018 whether you want to acknowledge that or not.
The only option left open to Donegal, who were justifiably seething at the unfair position they found themselves in in 2018 was to focus on the home game and try to get it moved, to where who knows, but it was never going to PP. GAA were never ever going to let that happen.
It's interesting that all the experts are now commenting on how the motion could have passed yet not a geek out of them beforehand when it could have been easily amended. Congress is rotten to the core, an institution that overwhelmingly voted against transparency, that tells you all you need to know.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 27/02/2019 10:39:31
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "@MesAmis you know full well that PP was never a realistic option for a big championship game as it wouldn't even accommodate the season ticket holders. As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread the idea of Dublin's 'neutral' game being moved was closed off in 2018 whether you want to acknowledge that or not.
The only option left open to Donegal, who were justifiably seething at the unfair position they found themselves in in 2018 was to focus on the home game and try to get it moved, to where who knows, but it was never going to PP. GAA were never ever going to let that happen.
It's interesting that all the experts are now commenting on how the motion could have passed yet not a geek out of them beforehand when it could have been easily amended. Congress is rotten to the core, an institution that overwhelmingly voted against transparency, that tells you all you need to know." But surely the sensible option here was to attack the Croke Park neutral venue angle. Simply change the wording to "at a neutral venue to be agreed by both counties" as opposed to explicitly allocating Croke Park as the venue for all neutral games and that removes the home ground/neutral venue Dublin conflict. No? The Dublin season ticket allocation is clearly a problem as PP cannot accommodate the demand. So a more drastic long term solution would be to abandon PP, build a 30-50K seater stadium for Dublin and let Croker decay. Dublin then desigante new stadium as home ground, Croke Park is reinstaed as a neutral venue and the naysayers take off in pursuit of some other "advantages" angle.
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "@MesAmis you know full well that PP was never a realistic option for a big championship game as it wouldn't even accommodate the season ticket holders. As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread the idea of Dublin's 'neutral' game being moved was closed off in 2018 whether you want to acknowledge that or not.
The only option left open to Donegal, who were justifiably seething at the unfair position they found themselves in in 2018 was to focus on the home game and try to get it moved, to where who knows, but it was never going to PP. GAA were never ever going to let that happen.
It's interesting that all the experts are now commenting on how the motion could have passed yet not a geek out of them beforehand when it could have been easily amended. Congress is rotten to the core, an institution that overwhelmingly voted against transparency, that tells you all you need to know." Donegal couldn't get the game moved from Croke Park in 2018 for 2018 but there was nothing stopping them, or any other county for that matter, bringing a motion for 2019 on.
Donegal were indeed seething at having to play 2 away games. A lot of their ire should have been directed inwards as they voted, along with a lot of others, to give Dublin 2 home games in the first place. It was clear from the beginning it was unfair.
Kildare proved last year that the "GAA", "Croke Park", "HQ" or the "Top Brass" are only as powerful as they're let to be.
Uselessly complaining about things doesn't get things changed, it requires someone to actually do something.
Giving Dublin one home game, one away game and one neutral game is very doable and should be in place already but for ineptitude.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 27/02/2019 11:50:11
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Replying To MesAmis: "Donegal couldn't get the game moved from Croke Park in 2018 for 2018 but there was nothing stopping them, or any other county for that matter, bringing a motion for 2019 on.
Donegal were indeed seething at having to play 2 away games. A lot of their ire should have been directed inwards as they voted, along with a lot of others, to give Dublin 2 home games in the first place. It was clear from the beginning it was unfair.
Kildare proved last year that the "GAA", "Croke Park", "HQ" or the "Top Brass" are only as powerful as they're let to be.
Uselessly complaining about things doesn't get things changed, it requires someone to actually do something.
Giving Dublin one home game, one away game and one neutral game is very doable and should be in place already but for ineptitude." I think the position was made very clear in 2018 and the GAA were going to work against any motion that aimed to get either game moved, and they have all the funding / power. In an era of collapsing attendances they do not want to leave a penny after them.
You feel it failed on ineptitude, I and many others feel that any motion to that effect was doomed because the powers that be will always get their way, we'll agree to disagree.
Kildare situation is not comparable as the home / away arrangement for qualifiers are very clear and they did not have to get the approval of a corrupt congress.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 27/02/2019 12:48:08
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Replying To MesAmis: "What would have been fairer about it, is that as per last year Donegal who had to play the Dubs twice in Croke Park would only play them once there, Croke Park bestows an awful big advantage to them than Parnell Park does, bigger pitch, majority of C'ship games played there, massive partisan crowd particularly on the Hill. The stats show how much of an advantage it is to them playing in Croke Park, so even taking one game to Parnell Park would have been fairer. No doubt you will come back with a multitude of reasons to contradict this just like Sean Kelly, John Horan & John Costello. It's amazing how blind people can become when the basic tenet of equality comes into play. Money spoke.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 340 - 2/27/19 1:46:03 AM
But that's BS.
There is no way that Parnell Park would have been fairer to Donegal than Croke Park. The majority of the Donegal players are experienced playing in Croke Park.
The majority of Donegal's players have never played in Parnell Park, all the Dublin players know every inch of Parnell Park as well as they know Croke Park. The partisan crowd would be far worse in Parnell Pk where the Dubs fans would almost be on top of the players as the ground is so tight.
At the very best Parnell Park is just as advantageous to Dublin as Croke Park, in reality it would probably be a bigger advantage to Dublin.
You say I'm blind to the inequality because I don't support Donegal's motion, the motion that does nothing to end the inequality.
I think Dublin should have one home game, one away game and one game at a neutral venue. That's equality. Giving Dublin 2 home games (one in Croker, one in PP) like you are suggesting is more unequal. You say I'm being blind, I'm genuinely flabbergasted that people wanted a motion passed that gave Dublin 2 home games in the Super 8s all the while giving out about Dublin getting 2 home games in the Super 8s. It makes zero sense and makes people look quite silly. You couldn't make it up.
The motion was bad as it didn't make things equal. Money didn't speak. Ineptitude spoke.
Multiple county boards failing to table a motion that ensured every team in the Super 8s got one home game, one away game and one neutral game spoke. That motion would have passed and will pass next year, as long as some county board bothers to actually propose it.
I want Dublin to have one home game, one away game and one neutral game. You seem to want Dublin to get 2 home games, one on Croker and one in Parnell Park, yet I'm the one blind to equality apparently. The mind boggles." Mic drop
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 27/02/2019 13:07:15
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "I think the position was made very clear in 2018 and the GAA were going to work against any motion that aimed to get either game moved, and they have all the funding / power. In an era of collapsing attendances they do not want to leave a penny after them.
You feel it failed on ineptitude, I and many others feel that any motion to that effect was doomed because the powers that be will always get their way, we'll agree to disagree.
Kildare situation is not comparable as the home / away arrangement for qualifiers are very clear and they did not have to get the approval of a corrupt congress." Of course the motion was doomed from the start. It was a motion that gave Dublin 2 home games, just like they already have!
Why should that motion have been carried?
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 27/02/2019 13:13:15
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Replying To MesAmis: "Of course the motion was doomed from the start. It was a motion that gave Dublin 2 home games, just like they already have!
Why should that motion have been carried?" Mes it doesn't matter what the motion was, there was no way HQ were moving one of the games. Look at the vitriolic response from the president who even spoke about the importance of the money generated from these games, and as I have stated no other ground comes close to Croker for revenue. Stick your head in the sand all you like and push the blame back on the only county that took a stand, but they had no chance no matter what they put forward.
There really only are a handful of counties that are going to be effected, those likely to win provincial titles and end up in the same group as Dublin so most counties had no dog in the race. It was easy for HQ to effect the vote by carrot or stick. You are very naive if you think this was a proper unhindered democratic outcome.
I won't say any more because you clearly have your own view that suits your position where Donegal are just foolish and can't write a proper motion. Believe what you want to believe.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 27/02/2019 13:31:26
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Mes it doesn't matter what the motion was, there was no way HQ were moving one of the games. Look at the vitriolic response from the president who even spoke about the importance of the money generated from these games, and as I have stated no other ground comes close to Croker for revenue. Stick your head in the sand all you like and push the blame back on the only county that took a stand, but they had no chance no matter what they put forward.
There really only are a handful of counties that are going to be effected, those likely to win provincial titles and end up in the same group as Dublin so most counties had no dog in the race. It was easy for HQ to effect the vote by carrot or stick. You are very naive if you think this was a proper unhindered democratic outcome.
I won't say any more because you clearly have your own view that suits your position where Donegal are just foolish and can't write a proper motion. Believe what you want to believe." There's nothing anyone can do to stop a motion if it gets popular support. A motion proposing one home, one away and one neutral could have passed and will probably pass next year. That's if any county actually proposes it.
To be clear, I'm not blaming Donegal entirely. They tried at least, they tried to do the wrong thing but they tried nonetheless.
I'm blaming everyone. We've seen this year after year after year in Leinster already.
My position is that Dublin should have one home game, one away game and one neutral game. My head is very much outta the sand on this one. I want a fairer system.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 27/02/2019 14:06:31
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Replying To MesAmis: "There's nothing anyone can do to stop a motion if it gets popular support. A motion proposing one home, one away and one neutral could have passed and will probably pass next year. That's if any county actually proposes it.
To be clear, I'm not blaming Donegal entirely. They tried at least, they tried to do the wrong thing but they tried nonetheless.
I'm blaming everyone. We've seen this year after year after year in Leinster already.
My position is that Dublin should have one home game, one away game and one neutral game. My head is very much outta the sand on this one. I want a fairer system." Easier said than done when the organisation is working against you for financial reasons. The Super 8's is a three year experiment and I don't see any meaningful change coming before that is over in 2020. There will probably be more changes to the championship structure at that stage.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 27/02/2019 15:10:17
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Replying To MesAmis: "There's nothing anyone can do to stop a motion if it gets popular support. A motion proposing one home, one away and one neutral could have passed and will probably pass next year. That's if any county actually proposes it.
To be clear, I'm not blaming Donegal entirely. They tried at least, they tried to do the wrong thing but they tried nonetheless.
I'm blaming everyone. We've seen this year after year after year in Leinster already.
My position is that Dublin should have one home game, one away game and one neutral game. My head is very much outta the sand on this one. I want a fairer system." Obviously you don't know the rule when motions are defeated by a certain margin at Congress.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 27/02/2019 15:29:07
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Replying To MesAmis: "What would have been fairer about it, is that as per last year Donegal who had to play the Dubs twice in Croke Park would only play them once there, Croke Park bestows an awful big advantage to them than Parnell Park does, bigger pitch, majority of C'ship games played there, massive partisan crowd particularly on the Hill. The stats show how much of an advantage it is to them playing in Croke Park, so even taking one game to Parnell Park would have been fairer. No doubt you will come back with a multitude of reasons to contradict this just like Sean Kelly, John Horan & John Costello. It's amazing how blind people can become when the basic tenet of equality comes into play. Money spoke.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 340 - 2/27/19 1:46:03 AM
But that's BS.
There is no way that Parnell Park would have been fairer to Donegal than Croke Park. The majority of the Donegal players are experienced playing in Croke Park.
The majority of Donegal's players have never played in Parnell Park, all the Dublin players know every inch of Parnell Park as well as they know Croke Park. The partisan crowd would be far worse in Parnell Pk where the Dubs fans would almost be on top of the players as the ground is so tight.
At the very best Parnell Park is just as advantageous to Dublin as Croke Park, in reality it would probably be a bigger advantage to Dublin.
You say I'm blind to the inequality because I don't support Donegal's motion, the motion that does nothing to end the inequality.
I think Dublin should have one home game, one away game and one game at a neutral venue. That's equality. Giving Dublin 2 home games (one in Croker, one in PP) like you are suggesting is more unequal. You say I'm being blind, I'm genuinely flabbergasted that people wanted a motion passed that gave Dublin 2 home games in the Super 8s all the while giving out about Dublin getting 2 home games in the Super 8s. It makes zero sense and makes people look quite silly. You couldn't make it up.
The motion was bad as it didn't make things equal. Money didn't speak. Ineptitude spoke.
Multiple county boards failing to table a motion that ensured every team in the Super 8s got one home game, one away game and one neutral game spoke. That motion would have passed and will pass next year, as long as some county board bothers to actually propose it.
I want Dublin to have one home game, one away game and one neutral game. You seem to want Dublin to get 2 home games, one on Croker and one in Parnell Park, yet I'm the one blind to equality apparently. The mind boggles." You are equating the motion as giving two home games to Dublin, the same as they had previously, that is disingenuous. Two games at Croke Park v one in Croke Park & one in Parnell Park is not the same thing. The dimensions of the two pitches are different, Croke Park is bigger & suits Dublins game plan. The stats show that Dublin in Croke Park is way more advantageous. You don't play C'ship in Parnell Park & for that matter, you don't play many league games there either. As for playing in front of an 81,000 Croke Park in C'ship where the majority of the crowd is from Dublin creating an intimidating atmosphere, if that is reduced to the 8,000 Parnell Park it's far less intimidating. Anyhow as can be seen on this thread it is a really divided issue & that is what Congress have created, people are disillusioned & walking away from this. You are correct about the incompetence of the various county boards to challenge this & come forward with proposals, there is no dispute about that.
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Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 340 - 2/27/19 1:46:03 AM
But that's BS.
There is no way that Parnell Park would have been fairer to Donegal than Croke Park. The majority of the Donegal players are experienced playing in Croke Park.
The majority of Donegal's players have never played in Parnell Park, all the Dublin players know every inch of Parnell Park as well as they know Croke Park. The partisan crowd would be far worse in Parnell Pk where the Dubs fans would almost be on top of the players as the ground is so tight.
At the very best Parnell Park is just as advantageous to Dublin as Croke Park, in reality it would probably be a bigger advantage to Dublin.
You say I'm blind to the inequality because I don't support Donegal's motion, the motion that does nothing to end the inequality.
I think Dublin should have one home game, one away game and one game at a neutral venue. That's equality. Giving Dublin 2 home games (one in Croker, one in PP) like you are suggesting is more unequal. You say I'm being blind, I'm genuinely flabbergasted that people wanted a motion passed that gave Dublin 2 home games in the Super 8s all the while giving out about Dublin getting 2 home games in the Super 8s. It makes zero sense and makes people look quite silly. You couldn't make it up.
The motion was bad as it didn't make things equal. Money didn't speak. Ineptitude spoke.
Multiple county boards failing to table a motion that ensured every team in the Super 8s got one home game, one away game and one neutral game spoke. That motion would have passed and will pass next year, as long as some county board bothers to actually propose it.
I want Dublin to have one home game, one away game and one neutral game. You seem to want Dublin to get 2 home games, one on Croker and one in Parnell Park, yet I'm the one blind to equality apparently. The mind boggles." You are equating the motion as giving two home games to Dublin, the same as they had previously, that is disingenuous. Two games at Croke Park v one in Croke Park & one in Parnell Park is not the same thing. The dimensions of the two pitches are different, Croke Park is bigger & suits Dublins game plan. The stats show that Dublin in Croke Park is way more advantageous. You don't play C'ship in Parnell Park & for that matter, you don't play many league games there either. As for playing in front of an 81,000 Croke Park in C'ship where the majority of the crowd is from Dublin creating an intimidating atmosphere, if that is reduced to the 8,000 Parnell Park it's far less intimidating. Anyhow as can be seen on this thread it is a really divided issue & that is what Congress have created, people are disillusioned & walking away from this. You are correct about the incompetence of the various county boards to challenge this & come forward with proposals, there is no dispute about that."
The pitch dimensions of Croker might suit Dublin better but every Dublin player knows every inch of PP like the back of his hand at this stage, from the particular bounce of the ball to the tiny dressing rooms they'll be completely at home. They've been playing it since they were teenagers.
The Donegal motion, had it passed, would have done nothing to make things fairer which is ultimately what we all want.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 27/02/2019 16:32:18
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motion was framed the wrong way around. It should have said neutral venue cannot be one of the nominated home venues. this way dublin don't have to play games in parnell park. neutral game could have been thurles or somewhere like that.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1829 - 27/02/2019 16:55:25
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Replying To Mayonman: "motion was framed the wrong way around. It should have said neutral venue cannot be one of the nominated home venues. this way dublin don't have to play games in parnell park. neutral game could have been thurles or somewhere like that." Exactly
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 27/02/2019 18:37:59
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