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Noelle Healy Transfer

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I see Noelle Healy is working in Cork and so is understandably looking for a club transfer down there..... However I see she is hoping to transfer to the current all Ireland champions. Seems a bit unfair. Although not as bad as the Donie Vaughan transfer from Ballinrobe to Castlebar (15 miles up the road)

Kingofthehill100 (Mayo) - Posts: 68 - 13/02/2019 15:55:14    2165161

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Replying To Kingofthehill100:  "I see Noelle Healy is working in Cork and so is understandably looking for a club transfer down there..... However I see she is hoping to transfer to the current all Ireland champions. Seems a bit unfair. Although not as bad as the Donie Vaughan transfer from Ballinrobe to Castlebar (15 miles up the road)"
Or the Andy McDonnell transfer from The Fechins to The Blues two miles up the road .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 13/02/2019 16:03:21    2165162

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I think people should be able to transfer to whoever the hell they want to.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 13/02/2019 18:05:23    2165185

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I'll go against the grain here but I firmly believe GAA players should be allowed play for any club and any county they wish. Like most other sports.

liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 13/02/2019 19:28:41    2165194

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I think people should be able to transfer to whoever the hell they want to."
What to the detriment of small clubs?
Fair enough if you're working miles away and traveling isn't possible but I wouldn't like to see somebody switching just because the their team might be playing novice or junior and the town 5 miles down the road are senior.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/02/2019 20:38:38    2165203

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Tomas O Se, plenty of clubs in Cork but he picks Nemo, gloryhunter.

HEREBENJI (Donegal) - Posts: 422 - 13/02/2019 21:13:02    2165208

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "What to the detriment of small clubs?
Fair enough if you're working miles away and traveling isn't possible but I wouldn't like to see somebody switching just because the their team might be playing novice or junior and the town 5 miles down the road are senior."
I'm thinking of lots of other sports/activities my kids are involved in. Only the GAA restricts what team you can play for. Bloody archaic is what it is.

liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 13/02/2019 21:29:02    2165211

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I think people should be able to transfer to whoever the hell they want to."
Playing with whoever you wanted would lead to elitism, kids & adults will gravitate to the most successful teams, which would lead to many clubs folding. Less teams with some super sized clubs dominating, leading to even further division. The biggest challenge facing the GAA is the numbers of club players it's haemorrhaging, with less clubs, less players participate leading to even further loss of members. The ideals of what the GAA is founded on & what helped build structures & facilties in every parish, identity & pride of place would be completely undermined. The GAA have only themselves to blame as they have let this be completely undermined, in Galway transfers have been farcical over the years & riddled with politics. Eventually what you suggest will happen & is happening but it won't end well. Unfortunately it's an organisation that has become poor from poor leadership & poor implementation of rules so this issue will only escalate. All the above examples of transfers in other posts are just glory hunting & greed.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 14/02/2019 01:03:06    2165232

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "What to the detriment of small clubs?
Fair enough if you're working miles away and traveling isn't possible but I wouldn't like to see somebody switching just because the their team might be playing novice or junior and the town 5 miles down the road are senior."
why shouldn't players be allowed transfer to bigger clubs. It's an amateur sport where they might only get 10 years to play it, so why not be allowed test yourself at the highest possible level and improve as a player by training with and playing with/against the best players. This small club argument is what is holding the GAA back, supporting and proping up small clubs that probably shouldn't be still in existence, making lads/gals feel guilty because they want to better themselves. We aren't living in the mid 20th century anymore..move with the times and maybe the level of clubs and players will improve

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1687 - 14/02/2019 09:12:35    2165240

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Replying To liam500:  "I'm thinking of lots of other sports/activities my kids are involved in. Only the GAA restricts what team you can play for. Bloody archaic is what it is."
Its not a bit archaic. Soccer is an example of a sport where you can do what you like. This has meant smaller rural clubs have lost many players from them moving to the more successful clubs in the town. Following a soccer model, with the state the sport is in in this country, is not a sensible thing to do.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 14/02/2019 09:44:14    2165243

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "why shouldn't players be allowed transfer to bigger clubs. It's an amateur sport where they might only get 10 years to play it, so why not be allowed test yourself at the highest possible level and improve as a player by training with and playing with/against the best players. This small club argument is what is holding the GAA back, supporting and proping up small clubs that probably shouldn't be still in existence, making lads/gals feel guilty because they want to better themselves. We aren't living in the mid 20th century anymore..move with the times and maybe the level of clubs and players will improve"
Explain your own Seanie Johnson moving from Cavan Gaels to St Kevins (Stapletown) That is big club to fairly small club

This crack started with Paul Curran moving from Thomas Davis (Tallaght) to Kilmacud Crokes a move of about 6 miles....heavy traffic perhaps!!

GDL (Galway) - Posts: 722 - 14/02/2019 09:46:54    2165245

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "why shouldn't players be allowed transfer to bigger clubs. It's an amateur sport where they might only get 10 years to play it, so why not be allowed test yourself at the highest possible level and improve as a player by training with and playing with/against the best players. This small club argument is what is holding the GAA back, supporting and proping up small clubs that probably shouldn't be still in existence, making lads/gals feel guilty because they want to better themselves. We aren't living in the mid 20th century anymore..move with the times and maybe the level of clubs and players will improve"
Simple answer to wanting to be tested at the highest level is to have divisional sides as in Kerry, plenty of their players play with junior clubs but due to the divisional structure they get to play senior championship. Think in the likes of Dublin and Cork though it is different, but in the rural areas I believe it is necessary to keep small rural clubs going, many area's have lost post offices, shops, pubs etc and they only thing they have left is their GAA clubs.

Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 14/02/2019 09:51:00    2165246

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Replying To GDL:  "Explain your own Seanie Johnson moving from Cavan Gaels to St Kevins (Stapletown) That is big club to fairly small club

This crack started with Paul Curran moving from Thomas Davis (Tallaght) to Kilmacud Crokes a move of about 6 miles....heavy traffic perhaps!!"
I don't think that's a fair example. PC won several Dublin senior titles with Thomas Davis and played in the AI club final with them. He transferred due to a falling out with his club and wanted to continue playing at a high level, not for "glory hunting" purposes. I don't think many people (apart from TD fans, maybe) would have begrudged him the move. The saga around the Eamonn Fennell transfer is a much better example.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 14/02/2019 10:51:48    2165266

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Replying To GDL:  "Explain your own Seanie Johnson moving from Cavan Gaels to St Kevins (Stapletown) That is big club to fairly small club

This crack started with Paul Curran moving from Thomas Davis (Tallaght) to Kilmacud Crokes a move of about 6 miles....heavy traffic perhaps!!"
Surely Sean Johnston is a perfect example. He wanted to test himself at the highest level which for him was county level..so he transferred clubs to allow this be possible once he proved himself to be at the appropriate level in his new club/county...not glory hunting

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1687 - 14/02/2019 11:40:06    2165276

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I don't believe a freer transfer system would kill small clubs necessarily.

Small clubs would have the ability of providing football to the fringe players of larger clubs.

The club that someone is born into is not necessarily the right fit for them, in both directions.

Middling players at larger clubs don't get the same opportunities to play 1st team football. 2nd team football is less consistently well organised.

A player can be to good and want more serious football than the second team can offer and have little prospect of playing for the senior team.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 14/02/2019 11:41:21    2165277

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Replying To Rosineri1:  "Simple answer to wanting to be tested at the highest level is to have divisional sides as in Kerry, plenty of their players play with junior clubs but due to the divisional structure they get to play senior championship. Think in the likes of Dublin and Cork though it is different, but in the rural areas I believe it is necessary to keep small rural clubs going, many area's have lost post offices, shops, pubs etc and they only thing they have left is their GAA clubs."
Most county's don't have divisional teams so not really an argument for players to stay at clubs that they don't want to be at or is inconvenient to be at or that isn't pushing them on to a greater level

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1687 - 14/02/2019 11:43:00    2165278

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Replying To Rosineri1:  "Simple answer to wanting to be tested at the highest level is to have divisional sides as in Kerry, plenty of their players play with junior clubs but due to the divisional structure they get to play senior championship. Think in the likes of Dublin and Cork though it is different, but in the rural areas I believe it is necessary to keep small rural clubs going, many area's have lost post offices, shops, pubs etc and they only thing they have left is their GAA clubs."
forcing young people to play for a team they don't want to play for or travel huge distances to play for that team just to satisfy a few people that don't have a pub or post office to hang around in isn't the way to go. Players will just quit playing and find something else to do. Wouldn't it be better to keep them in the GAA community wherever they decide to play/live/work.

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1687 - 14/02/2019 11:48:38    2165279

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Isnt Noelle a Doctor, i know junior doctors often do six month rotations around the country, i wonder is this the case with Noelle and the transfer temporary, maybe for the season.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 14/02/2019 11:53:09    2165282

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Wasn't Paul Galvin playing with Finuge and went to Parnells and now I think he's going back to Finuge.
Perhaps someone could confirm if this is the case but just seems odd if true.
S.Johnson may have done something similar.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 14/02/2019 11:58:08    2165284

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Replying To HEREBENJI:  "Tomas O Se, plenty of clubs in Cork but he picks Nemo, gloryhunter."
Corks a big county and he's working in the city so he's hardly going to play for Bantry is he?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 14/02/2019 12:15:30    2165287

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