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Replying To royaldunne: "Very open minded , I believe a narrow minded person always living on past wrongs can never help the future generations." So open minded that you can't countenance something as simple as a football match broadcast in Irish on an Irish Language TV station.
What an outrage.
Or countenance that people will naturally look to there past when examining how far they've come since.
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Replying To MesAmis: "So open minded that you can't countenance something as simple as a football match broadcast in Irish on an Irish Language TV station.
What an outrage.
Or countenance that people will naturally look to there past when examining how far they've come since." Yes very progressive that's why the amount of people taking leaving cert without Irish is through the roof. Sooner it to is consigned to history the better.
And just to be clear I promoted a red button for alternative English commentary. But sure don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie , eh mes?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 15:16:18
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Replying To royaldunne: "Very open minded , I believe a narrow minded person always living on past wrongs can never help the future generations." However those who not learn from the mistakes of history are bound to repeat them
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The sharing of facilities will only come about in future government funded sports infrastructure. It's simply not feasible on any long term basis at the moment.
Many clubs have huge logistical problems in trying to allocate pitches for games and training as it is, especially clubs that cater for all GAA sports.
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Replying To royaldunne: "Yes very progressive that's why the amount of people taking leaving cert without Irish is through the roof. Sooner it to is consigned to history the better.
And just to be clear I promoted a red button for alternative English commentary. But sure don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie , eh mes?" What lie?
You have repeatedly stated that you refuse to watch games broadcast in Irish, you mute the commentary because you're so open minded?
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 31/01/2019 17:17:39
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Replying To MesAmis: "What lie?
You have repeatedly stated that you refuse to watch games broadcast in Irish, you mute the commentary because you're so open minded?" The lie that I said I wanted tnag to broadcast in English. I never said that but a red button for the option of it. Is it too much to ask the most wasted money on tv license (rte have stated that there would be no need for increasing it if they didn't have to subsidize it) So yes that's it. Again very open minded that's why I have no time for a archaic language that has no bearing on modern ire. But I'm happy to pay for it with my taxes , I only ask that they include a red button option (that I will gladly pay extra for) so I can watch my games in a language that everyone understands, and not have it exclusively for the VERY VERY small amount who understand it. What was it last census? Less than 20% ? Yeah very inclusive of you.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 19:35:05
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Replying To Oldtourman: "However those who not learn from the mistakes of history are bound to repeat them" I wouldn't disagree with that. But when you see the gammon on bbc going on about his father wasn't bullied by the Germans on d day and he wouldn't be now, goes to show how some (that you would expect to know better ) still hark back to things years ago as if the same applies today. Remember, never forget, but don't keep bringing it up at every opportunity.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 19:39:11
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Replying To royaldunne: "The lie that I said I wanted tnag to broadcast in English. I never said that but a red button for the option of it. Is it too much to ask the most wasted money on tv license (rte have stated that there would be no need for increasing it if they didn't have to subsidize it) So yes that's it. Again very open minded that's why I have no time for a archaic language that has no bearing on modern ire. But I'm happy to pay for it with my taxes , I only ask that they include a red button option (that I will gladly pay extra for) so I can watch my games in a language that everyone understands, and not have it exclusively for the VERY VERY small amount who understand it. What was it last census? Less than 20% ? Yeah very inclusive of you." So open minded you won't even listen to it and choose to mute it unless they do exactly what you want with your (not anyone else's) taxes!
The self entitlement is staggering.
What's not inclusive? They broadcast free to air in a very simple language, that the vast, vast majority of people watching studied in school for 13 years!
Some people will struggle with the commentary but it's not the radio either.
Far more inclusive than your beloved Sky, where the overwhelming majority of the country have go access to watch.
So we can hypocrisy to your seld entitlement I suppose.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 31/01/2019 20:08:12
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Replying To MesAmis: "So open minded you won't even listen to it and choose to mute it unless they do exactly what you want with your (not anyone else's) taxes!
The self entitlement is staggering.
What's not inclusive? They broadcast free to air in a very simple language, that the vast, vast majority of people watching studied in school for 13 years!
Some people will struggle with the commentary but it's not the radio either.
Far more inclusive than your beloved Sky, where the overwhelming majority of the country have go access to watch.
So we can hypocrisy to your seld entitlement I suppose." Then don't be such a tight wad and pay for it. Stop expecting my taxes to pay for everything you want for free. Better still get up off ur ass and go to games. Or are u one of those dubs who only go to croker? Wouldn't surprise me and of course give out about the price increase. Again vast vast majority of people 80% don't understand or have zero understanding of what for many is a irrelevant language in modern ire. Anyway what has this got to do with Shane ross proposal. ? So I'll stay on topic. By all means set up another thread on the gibberish and I'll gladly contribute.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 20:39:20
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Then don't be such a tight wad and pay for it. Stop expecting my taxes to pay for everything you want for free. Better still get up off ur ass and go to games. Or are u one of those dubs who only go to croker? Wouldn't surprise me and of course give out about the price increase. Again vast vast majority of people 80% don't understand or have zero understanding of what for many is a irrelevant language in modern ire. Anyway what has this got to do with Shane ross proposal. ? So I'll stay on topic. By all means set up another thread on the gibberish and I'll gladly contribute.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 14247 - 31/01/2019 20:39:20
Your self entitlement is amazing with your little rant about "my taxes". No one else pays tax except for you of course.
Your ignorance and "me, me, me" attitude is ridiculous. You want everything handed to you exactly how you want it just because you pay a bit of tax, again you're the only person who pays tax of course.
Just because you're too ignorant to understand what's going on in a football game on TG4 doesn't mean that the vast majority don't. But someone as self entitled as you may find it hard to believe that not everyone's experience is exactly the same as yours.
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Ignorance is bliss royaldunne. Hard to believe your ancestors, the high kings of Ireland, pagan and all, spoke the 'gibberish' and congregated at new grange at heart of your own county. Identity crisis in Meath! Best of luck in the AI and the Leinster championship and the back door.
northbouind (Galway) - Posts: 304 - 31/01/2019 21:27:19
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "We should focus on communities and if making things better for communities means funding tiddlywinks then that is what the government should be doing.
In general, particularly in small rural locations clubs should be encouraged to build proper shared community facilities. In many villages you see badly maintained facilities all over the place. No club on their own has the funds/membership to maintain them.
In larger towns it may not make any sense because the GAA club and the Soccer club etc might be too big in their own right to combine facilities.
Common sense should rule and funding should follow common sense.
Nobody can force someone else to do something with their property but it is fully legitimate for a person funding something to have strings attached. You don't like the strings don't take the funding!
One particular bug bear of mine is some local GAA clubs have their hands tied over the use of their facilities. Obviously they should be for GAA use primarily but if some other club needs to use it they should have the power to say yes (and No). Obviously their needs come first.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 814 - 1/30/19 3:50:15 PMI agree but in large towns it still should make sense. Greendfield site on edge of towns and everything.
IF and it is a big IF, a government is spending money on sports facilities every effort should be made to make them available to all. A perfect example is St Annes park in Clontarf, a cricket crease, soccer pitches, GAA pitches, tennis courts etc and dressing room facilities for all are available simply because it is local authority money being spent. However most GAA clubs in Dublin have built their bases up from scratch with zilch funding from anyone but themselves. So yeah they can all go take a flying one if that is what he (or anyone else) is implying. I don't believe he is that stupid though, unfortunately there are still some people who seem to think these club houses were built by generous grants, not so in Dublin. BTW in my experience some parks do not fairly divide out pitches and green areas so maybe he should look at that first before he speaks.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3888 - 1/30/19 6:04:56 PMzero funding from anyone?? I really dont believe that. There is so many funding opportunities from so many sources i really dont believe anyone who says most clubs have built their facilities without any funding. Be it CE schemes, Tus, sports capital programme," Well ask even the big clubs were they got their funding, it is mostly from their members, or grafting in the local communities. And if you do manage to get a grant (rightly in my opinion) the facility should be shared. But that is not the case in most Dublin clubs. There are clubs in disadvantaged areas that rightly are supported by grants etc. But the larger clubs get virtually nothing from anyone other than what they can raise themselves.
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Replying To perfect10: "i hate shane ross,but he has a point.
if a gaa club,if a soccer club,if a bloody lawn bowls club gets state funding,i think they should be making their facilites available to others in the community.
if a gaa club pays entirely for a pitch,etc out of their own money,just like say a golf club would typically do,they can do what they want with it." He always has a point but unfortunately most if not all of his points makes little or no sense. Why should a GAA club be compelled to make a facility available to another sport when they have been awarded a grant -considering when all grants are less than 50%, maybe less than 25%. the Government should be providing the sports facilities. Now could you name one Soccer/lawn bowls club facility in the country that provides playing facilities to the GAA?
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "As time moves on the the glamour and draw of professional sports is becoming greater. When I grew up you dreamt of playing for your county. There is still a bit of that but it is mostly Man Utd, Ireland even munster now. There is a sense of you'd be mad not to get paid for your talent. A rugby play goes on the Late Late and it's great craic, a GAA player goes on and it more of a - you are great but you must regret not picking a sport that you could have made a career from. There is definitely a battle going on for the hearts and minds of the youth going on.
Pro Sports Advantages
1) Glamour / celebrity status hugely appealing to modern day kids
2) Big money
3) Massive exposure through infinite TV games
Pro Sports Disadvantages
1) Wages - a constant drain on resources
2) Lack of facilities
3) Lack of clubs
GAA Advantages
1) Excellent Facilities
2) Clubs in every parish
3) Greater sense of community
4) Money available to fund clubs - they have enough for what they do
GAA Disadvantages
1) Kids bombarded with Pro Sports form all angles
2) Difficult to hold on to top talent
Not an exhaustive list but for the GAA to make good 2 of the 3 big disadvantages for professional sports in exchange for a bit more money would be madness.
There are many towns and villages in rural Ireland with no rugby or soccer facilities, they have a GAA club and are tight on numbers. To open up those GAA facilities to 2 competing sports and dilute your numbers would be a crazy move. There would be no club in a few years.
tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 18 - 1/31/19 9:53:20 AM You are seriously deluded...
When you say pro sports lack of facilities? Lacking what/where?
What clubs are lacking/where?
You are seriously generalising things. Saying GAA has excellent facilities overall.
There isnt many towns with no soccer facilities and rugby is in all major towns and is increasing number of clubs year on year.
Think over 2018/2019 so far there has been at least 4 new rugby clubs set up" Have you seen some of the league of Ireland grounds ? Leinster Rugby don't own the grounds they play their games in . I'm not sure but I think Connacht may be in the same boat. You may be right when you say rugby has a presence in all the major towns . In Louth Dundalk, Drogheda and Ardee all have active rugby clubs . That however is it . There are only three rugby clubs in the whole county . Rugby is expanding . The greatest expansion it is seeing is in the number of barstool supporters it has . I know loads of people who go to the pub to support Irish rugby . I know very few who volunteer in my local rugby club which by the way does an excellent job in providing sporting opportunities for young boys and girls, for teenagers and for adults, Rugby at the highest level remains an elitist sport . According to Ewan McKenna 80% of the current Irish panel went to flee paying schools , 78% of Leinsters Irish players in their senior squad and 86% of their academy went to flee paying schools . 70% of Munsters academy and 69% of their Irish players on their senior squad went to fee paying schools .
People talk about sharing pitches but that at the moment is a one way street. There isn't a soccer or rugby pitch in the country capable of hosting Gaelic Games. They are too small to do so. The GAA as usual are the ones who are expected to open their facilities to their competitors. Dundalk are going to have to redevelop their grounds . If they chose to develop a brand new stadium and avail of government grants to do so will it be incumbent upon them to lay down a pitch that is big enough to host Gaelic Games ? Were Leinster Rugby to decide to develop a stadium of their own and were they to avail of government grants to do so would they be expected to lay a pitch that could host Gaelic Games ? Shane Ross gave a grant to a school to build a hockey pitch . Will it be big enough to play hurling on ?
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Replying To browncows: "He always has a point but unfortunately most if not all of his points makes little or no sense. Why should a GAA club be compelled to make a facility available to another sport when they have been awarded a grant -considering when all grants are less than 50%, maybe less than 25%. the Government should be providing the sports facilities. Now could you name one Soccer/lawn bowls club facility in the country that provides playing facilities to the GAA?" i think you need a bigger pitch than a lawn bowls green or a soccer pitch for gaa.
if the public purse funds something,they should have to be willing to allow others to use it when they are not using it.
gaa pitches are perfect for soccer or rugby to use throughout the winter.
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "We should focus on communities and if making things better for communities means funding tiddlywinks then that is what the government should be doing.
In general, particularly in small rural locations clubs should be encouraged to build proper shared community facilities. In many villages you see badly maintained facilities all over the place. No club on their own has the funds/membership to maintain them.
In larger towns it may not make any sense because the GAA club and the Soccer club etc might be too big in their own right to combine facilities.
Common sense should rule and funding should follow common sense.
Nobody can force someone else to do something with their property but it is fully legitimate for a person funding something to have strings attached. You don't like the strings don't take the funding!
One particular bug bear of mine is some local GAA clubs have their hands tied over the use of their facilities. Obviously they should be for GAA use primarily but if some other club needs to use it they should have the power to say yes (and No). Obviously their needs come first.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 814 - 1/30/19 3:50:15 PMI agree but in large towns it still should make sense. Greendfield site on edge of towns and everything.
IF and it is a big IF, a government is spending money on sports facilities every effort should be made to make them available to all. A perfect example is St Annes park in Clontarf, a cricket crease, soccer pitches, GAA pitches, tennis courts etc and dressing room facilities for all are available simply because it is local authority money being spent. However most GAA clubs in Dublin have built their bases up from scratch with zilch funding from anyone but themselves. So yeah they can all go take a flying one if that is what he (or anyone else) is implying. I don't believe he is that stupid though, unfortunately there are still some people who seem to think these club houses were built by generous grants, not so in Dublin. BTW in my experience some parks do not fairly divide out pitches and green areas so maybe he should look at that first before he speaks.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3888 - 1/30/19 6:04:56 PMzero funding from anyone?? I really dont believe that. There is so many funding opportunities from so many sources i really dont believe anyone who says most clubs have built their facilities without any funding. Be it CE schemes, Tus, sports capital programme," DonaldDuck: Your problem is that you 'don't not believe' anything anyone says except when it agrees with your own agenda-you need to take a trip around the country (take Ross with you) and visit some clubs-the vast majority which were put in place without any government help. I have no problem with the GAA making their top stadiums available on a 'case by case basis', when it is to their advantage and totally opposed to any minster giving advice when they are incapable of doing the work that they were elected to do.
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Replying To perfect10: "i think you need a bigger pitch than a lawn bowls green or a soccer pitch for gaa.
if the public purse funds something,they should have to be willing to allow others to use it when they are not using it.
gaa pitches are perfect for soccer or rugby to use throughout the winter." I wouldn't like to see the state of your hurling pitch after letting a rugby team on it for the winter.
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I wouldn't like to see the state of your hurling pitch after letting a rugby team on it for the winter.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12201 - 2/1/19 10:29:30 AM seriously? Wouldnt be that bad at all. A few matches a week wouldnt do that much damage.
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "I wouldn't like to see the state of your hurling pitch after letting a rugby team on it for the winter.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12201 - 2/1/19 10:29:30 AM seriously? Wouldnt be that bad at all. A few matches a week wouldnt do that much damage." Yes, seriously. 3/4 rugby matches a week would wreck a decent hurling field.
Soccer and Hurling more suitable bedfellows in terms of pitches.
Football and rugby would be okay.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 01/02/2019 13:15:16
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I don't think it's a good idea to be sharing pitches especially during the winter but co-location should be encouraged where possible and sharing of ancillary facilities like car parking, club houses etc.
Tho those saying that your clubs developed everything they have without grants I think that's very unlikely. I doubt there are any large capital projects undertaken anywhere in recent years without some form of subsidy, usually 50-70%.
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