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Replying To Breffni39: "The GAA is an organisation for Irish sports and culture. FACT. If a sport or culture is not Irish then it's foreign. FACT.
If you want to righteously put your own spin on these definitions then away you go.
I don't think you're in any position to talk about credibility on here.
You're a GAA man that hates Ulster, hates the Irish language and hates hurling." You're starting to sound like Rafa Benitez with you FACTS rant, lol
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Replying To Breffni39: "The GAA is an organisation for Irish sports and culture. FACT. If a sport or culture is not Irish then it's foreign. FACT.
If you want to righteously put your own spin on these definitions then away you go.
I don't think you're in any position to talk about credibility on here.
You're a GAA man that hates Ulster, hates the Irish language and hates hurling." I don't hate ulster, where the hell did that come from?? I always have shouted for Down, to me the greatest football county of all ulster counties , I hate what ulster football (Down apart) did to the game I love, with puke football, I blame Tyrone and Armagh primarily for that, donegal to a lesser extent but at least they have evolved, now I don't like Cavan or Fermanagh doing the blanket defense either. So that's clear. As for hurling yeah how is hurling treated in Cavan. ? It's a game I don't like, each to their own. And the language thing? Just like 80% of all gaa people, couldn't care less about it. I like the sport of gaa football, actually I love it, the rest of the bs I can and do and live without, I don't go to football to reaffirm my shallow nationalist views, I'm very comfortable been a Meath man, Irish man European man. In that order. I hope one day you can be as open and not suffer from a inferiority complex. Although been from Cavan I do understand.
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Those who think the gaa has no place opposing foreign games are ignoring reality.
Opposing foreign games is a purpose of the gaa. Nobody is apologising for it. But of course people are free to play other sports. The gaa wont even think about stopping them. But it is not the gaas purpose to give its facilities over to it against their own mission.
Never thought i would see an irish government or member of same not getting it.
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Replying To Ashrules: "Those who think the gaa has no place opposing foreign games are ignoring reality.
Opposing foreign games is a purpose of the gaa. Nobody is apologising for it. But of course people are free to play other sports. The gaa wont even think about stopping them. But it is not the gaas purpose to give its facilities over to it against their own mission.
Never thought i would see an irish government or member of same not getting it." It's worth noting that many of the grants being drawn down by clubs would have a condition stating that facilities must be available to the whole community, this is a fundamental EU state aid rule. A lot of GAA clubs would have received massive grants for all sorts of developments over the years.
Given the relative lack of resources (grant schemes are usually massively oversubscribed) it makes sense to share facilities where feasible, I.e. where it can be accommodated without unreasonable disruption of the clubs own activities. There are good examples of this around the country and I think we will see a lot more joined up thinking in communities in the future, probably incentivised through the grants where multi use facilities will get priority.
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Replying To Ashrules: "Those who think the gaa has no place opposing foreign games are ignoring reality.
Opposing foreign games is a purpose of the gaa. Nobody is apologising for it. But of course people are free to play other sports. The gaa wont even think about stopping them. But it is not the gaas purpose to give its facilities over to it against their own mission.
Never thought i would see an irish government or member of same not getting it." Against their 'mission'? It's not 1979. A much broader spectrum of taxpayers than 40 years ago with a broad interest in different sports. If their hard earned tax is funding sports they should have a right to fund any sport and/or share facilities with other sports to spread resources. Why don't you post a link showing that 'opposing foreign games is a purpose of the gaa'.
You started this thread talking about a story from more than 6 months ago. link
You seem to have a different concept of time and reality to the rest of us. It's 2019.
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "It's worth noting that many of the grants being drawn down by clubs would have a condition stating that facilities must be available to the whole community, this is a fundamental EU state aid rule. A lot of GAA clubs would have received massive grants for all sorts of developments over the years.
Given the relative lack of resources (grant schemes are usually massively oversubscribed) it makes sense to share facilities where feasible, I.e. where it can be accommodated without unreasonable disruption of the clubs own activities. There are good examples of this around the country and I think we will see a lot more joined up thinking in communities in the future, probably incentivised through the grants where multi use facilities will get priority." That's it. My children as well as playing football also do karate , I approached the club about allowing the club house be used for a competition, absolutely no problem, they even helped out with having stewards to help out with parking on the day , great success all round. And I am sure that a sport that originated in japan would be considered a foreign sport
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As time moves on the the glamour and draw of professional sports is becoming greater. When I grew up you dreamt of playing for your county. There is still a bit of that but it is mostly Man Utd, Ireland even munster now. There is a sense of you'd be mad not to get paid for your talent. A rugby play goes on the Late Late and it's great craic, a GAA player goes on and it more of a - you are great but you must regret not picking a sport that you could have made a career from. There is definitely a battle going on for the hearts and minds of the youth going on.
Pro Sports Advantages
1) Glamour / celebrity status hugely appealing to modern day kids
2) Big money
3) Massive exposure through infinite TV games
Pro Sports Disadvantages
1) Wages - a constant drain on resources
2) Lack of facilities
3) Lack of clubs
GAA Advantages
1) Excellent Facilities
2) Clubs in every parish
3) Greater sense of community
4) Money available to fund clubs - they have enough for what they do
GAA Disadvantages
1) Kids bombarded with Pro Sports form all angles
2) Difficult to hold on to top talent
Not an exhaustive list but for the GAA to make good 2 of the 3 big disadvantages for professional sports in exchange for a bit more money would be madness.
There are many towns and villages in rural Ireland with no rugby or soccer facilities, they have a GAA club and are tight on numbers. To open up those GAA facilities to 2 competing sports and dilute your numbers would be a crazy move. There would be no club in a few years.
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Against their 'mission'? It's not 1979. A much broader spectrum of taxpayers than 40 years ago with a broad interest in different sports. If their hard earned tax is funding sports they should have a right to fund any sport and/or share facilities with other sports to spread resources. Why don't you post a link showing that 'opposing foreign games is a purpose of the gaa'. You started this thread talking about a story from more than 6 months ago. linkYou seem to have a different concept of time and reality to the rest of us. It's 2019."
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 09:53:54
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Replying To royaldunne: "I don't hate ulster, where the hell did that come from?? I always have shouted for Down, to me the greatest football county of all ulster counties , I hate what ulster football (Down apart) did to the game I love, with puke football, I blame Tyrone and Armagh primarily for that, donegal to a lesser extent but at least they have evolved, now I don't like Cavan or Fermanagh doing the blanket defense either. So that's clear. As for hurling yeah how is hurling treated in Cavan. ? It's a game I don't like, each to their own. And the language thing? Just like 80% of all gaa people, couldn't care less about it. I like the sport of gaa football, actually I love it, the rest of the bs I can and do and live without, I don't go to football to reaffirm my shallow nationalist views, I'm very comfortable been a Meath man, Irish man European man. In that order. I hope one day you can be as open and not suffer from a inferiority complex. Although been from Cavan I do understand." So much deluded B/S, there's nowhere I can even begin to respond. You have a bizarre notion of yourself.
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The GAA should be more worried about the state of some of its top pitches are in when they open their doors to concerts and the like. Especially when these events occur during a hectic championship season.
The idea of no foreign sports is antiquated and has no place in Ireland 2019.
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Replying To Breffni39: "So much deluded B/S, there's nowhere I can even begin to respond. You have a bizarre notion of yourself." Away you go. I love reading incoherent nonsense from someone with a severe chip on their shoulder. Next thing we will be hearing is about cars been stoned going through Kells 50 years ago. And how you afraid to leave Cavan ever since.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 11:05:25
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Replying To Bon: "The GAA should be more worried about the state of some of its top pitches are in when they open their doors to concerts and the like. Especially when these events occur during a hectic championship season.
The idea of no foreign sports is antiquated and has no place in Ireland 2019." Agreed.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 11:23:26
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OK if he was referring to facilities which receive funding.
1. It is right and proper for Irish Governments to grant aid the promotion of their own national games
2. Those funded facilities are not for helping out foreign games, And no one should apologise for favouring their own identity
3. The GAA has always been primarily a community based organisation which promotes local communities with facilities and through our own national games and customs.
4. His D4 sports also received funding but because of their more insular and selfish ethos did not garner the same local support and committement to match the GAA's strong development of facilities.
5. He has some gall to suggest that after 4 we should accomodate his foreign self centred pastimes because they are falling behind the GAA
Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 204 - 1/30/19 3:09:25 PMThis is an extremaly sad and rather xenophobic post that belongs well into the past.
Are other sporting organisations also not community based that promote local communities with facilities???
What exactly are D4 sports?
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So if the Government gives 1 euro to a club then Rugby/Soccer ect has the right to play there despite what the community have done to build it up and finance themselves throughout the years. Not a fan of this.
gavinswinningmatches (Dublin) - Posts: 2 - 1/30/19 3:33:19 PMnobody is saying that but facilities should be shared as much as possible.
clubs should be combining resources to get best facilities possible like clubs combining resources and having playing fields all in one site and shared gyms/dressing rooms for all clubs in one place. gives all clubs best possible facilities.
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Replying To royaldunne: "Away you go. I love reading incoherent nonsense from someone with a severe chip on their shoulder. Next thing we will be hearing is about cars been stoned going through Kells 50 years ago. And how you afraid to leave Cavan ever since." You keep referencing my county like a child. I've not mentioned yours once. Your nonsense is there for everyone to read unfortunately. You have a notion of yourself that you regularly contradict with your posts.
Just because you consider yourself open-minded it doesn't actually mean you are. You're one of the most divisive posters on here for a reason.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 31/01/2019 11:56:55
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We should focus on communities and if making things better for communities means funding tiddlywinks then that is what the government should be doing.
In general, particularly in small rural locations clubs should be encouraged to build proper shared community facilities. In many villages you see badly maintained facilities all over the place. No club on their own has the funds/membership to maintain them.
In larger towns it may not make any sense because the GAA club and the Soccer club etc might be too big in their own right to combine facilities.
Common sense should rule and funding should follow common sense.
Nobody can force someone else to do something with their property but it is fully legitimate for a person funding something to have strings attached. You don't like the strings don't take the funding!
One particular bug bear of mine is some local GAA clubs have their hands tied over the use of their facilities. Obviously they should be for GAA use primarily but if some other club needs to use it they should have the power to say yes (and No). Obviously their needs come first.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 814 - 1/30/19 3:50:15 PMI agree but in large towns it still should make sense. Greendfield site on edge of towns and everything.
IF and it is a big IF, a government is spending money on sports facilities every effort should be made to make them available to all. A perfect example is St Annes park in Clontarf, a cricket crease, soccer pitches, GAA pitches, tennis courts etc and dressing room facilities for all are available simply because it is local authority money being spent. However most GAA clubs in Dublin have built their bases up from scratch with zilch funding from anyone but themselves. So yeah they can all go take a flying one if that is what he (or anyone else) is implying. I don't believe he is that stupid though, unfortunately there are still some people who seem to think these club houses were built by generous grants, not so in Dublin. BTW in my experience some parks do not fairly divide out pitches and green areas so maybe he should look at that first before he speaks.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3888 - 1/30/19 6:04:56 PMzero funding from anyone?? I really dont believe that. There is so many funding opportunities from so many sources i really dont believe anyone who says most clubs have built their facilities without any funding. Be it CE schemes, Tus, sports capital programme,
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 31/01/2019 11:58:16
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All GAA clubs should have the right to charge (or let for free) other organisations for use of their facilities. Simple enough really and there is nothing much that can be done above that. There is still a silly grey area within the GAA over this. Most clubs do indeed rent there facilities out, or provide them free of charge, but every now and then a story emerges of some club or other being sanctioned for this. That's all that needs to change really, making what's already commonplace completely acceptable in the associations own rules.
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As time moves on the the glamour and draw of professional sports is becoming greater. When I grew up you dreamt of playing for your county. There is still a bit of that but it is mostly Man Utd, Ireland even munster now. There is a sense of you'd be mad not to get paid for your talent. A rugby play goes on the Late Late and it's great craic, a GAA player goes on and it more of a - you are great but you must regret not picking a sport that you could have made a career from. There is definitely a battle going on for the hearts and minds of the youth going on.
Pro Sports Advantages
1) Glamour / celebrity status hugely appealing to modern day kids
2) Big money
3) Massive exposure through infinite TV games
Pro Sports Disadvantages
1) Wages - a constant drain on resources
2) Lack of facilities
3) Lack of clubs
GAA Advantages
1) Excellent Facilities
2) Clubs in every parish
3) Greater sense of community
4) Money available to fund clubs - they have enough for what they do
GAA Disadvantages
1) Kids bombarded with Pro Sports form all angles
2) Difficult to hold on to top talent
Not an exhaustive list but for the GAA to make good 2 of the 3 big disadvantages for professional sports in exchange for a bit more money would be madness.
There are many towns and villages in rural Ireland with no rugby or soccer facilities, they have a GAA club and are tight on numbers. To open up those GAA facilities to 2 competing sports and dilute your numbers would be a crazy move. There would be no club in a few years.
tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 18 - 1/31/19 9:53:20 AM You are seriously deluded...
When you say pro sports lack of facilities? Lacking what/where?
What clubs are lacking/where?
You are seriously generalising things. Saying GAA has excellent facilities overall.
There isnt many towns with no soccer facilities and rugby is in all major towns and is increasing number of clubs year on year.
Think over 2018/2019 so far there has been at least 4 new rugby clubs set up
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 31/01/2019 12:23:43
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i hate shane ross,but he has a point.
if a gaa club,if a soccer club,if a bloody lawn bowls club gets state funding,i think they should be making their facilites available to others in the community.
if a gaa club pays entirely for a pitch,etc out of their own money,just like say a golf club would typically do,they can do what they want with it.
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Replying To Breffni39: "You keep referencing my county like a child. I've not mentioned yours once. Your nonsense is there for everyone to read unfortunately. You have a notion of yourself that you regularly contradict with your posts.
Just because you consider yourself open-minded it doesn't actually mean you are. You're one of the most divisive posters on here for a reason." Very open minded , I believe a narrow minded person always living on past wrongs can never help the future generations.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 14:25:35
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