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Is it true that Shane Ross stated GAA facilities should be available to all sports? GAA followers should know which politicians appreciate the massive effort in past times to push our national identity and promote our national games against been steamrolled by foreign games in that context. I would like to know when deciding come election time Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 30/01/2019 11:20:17 2160882 Link
Is it true that Shane Ross stated GAA facilities should be available to all sports? GAA followers should know which politicians appreciate the massive effort in past times to push our national identity and promote our national games against been steamrolled by foreign games in that context. I would like to know when deciding come election time Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 202 - 1/30/19 11:20:17 AMall facilities should be combined where possible and be municipal. Its crazy to see in towns etc soccer/rugby/gaa clubs and any others all sharing facilities and therefore able to combine resources and get best possible for all people. DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 30/01/2019 12:21:06 2160901 Link
You lost me at Shane Ross. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7902 - 30/01/2019 12:45:23 2160908 Link
Replying To DonaldDuck: "Is it true that Shane Ross stated GAA facilities should be available to all sports? GAA followers should know which politicians appreciate the massive effort in past times to push our national identity and promote our national games against been steamrolled by foreign games in that context. I would like to know when deciding come election time Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 202 - 1/30/19 11:20:17 AMall facilities should be combined where possible and be municipal. Its crazy to see in towns etc soccer/rugby/gaa clubs and any others all sharing facilities and therefore able to combine resources and get best possible for all people." I agree to an extent but a club should not be forced on to a club. If a club buys it out of their own money they should not be forced to share. Personally I would be all for sharing of pitches etc but they should not be forced. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 30/01/2019 12:51:14 2160910 Link
I agree to an extent but a club should not be forced on to a club. If a club buys it out of their own money they should not be forced to share. Personally I would be all for sharing of pitches etc but they should not be forced. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4890 - 1/30/19 12:51:14 PMnever suggested it should be forced it should happen and does in quite a few places DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 30/01/2019 13:06:51 2160912 Link
Sure why doesn't he come and meet to discuss this in a rural pub somewhere with no broadband and we can listen to what he has to say about what he would like to do with GAA facility's that local communities have worked hard at to have them to a standard they are today .. stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 213 - 30/01/2019 13:19:42 2160918 Link
i suppose the boot is on the other foot over here in Manchester, however Oisins GAA share ground and Club building facilites including Bar etc with Bedians Soccer and Rugby and it is a brilliant facility and to my knowledge workd to everyones benefit Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 705 - 30/01/2019 13:31:51 2160923 Link
Replying To gotmilk: " Replying To DonaldDuck: "Is it true that Shane Ross stated GAA facilities should be available to all sports? GAA followers should know which politicians appreciate the massive effort in past times to push our national identity and promote our national games against been steamrolled by foreign games in that context. I would like to know when deciding come election time Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 202 - 1/30/19 11:20:17 AMall facilities should be combined where possible and be municipal. Its crazy to see in towns etc soccer/rugby/gaa clubs and any others all sharing facilities and therefore able to combine resources and get best possible for all people." I agree to an extent but a club should not be forced on to a club. If a club buys it out of their own money they should not be forced to share. Personally I would be all for sharing of pitches etc but they should not be forced." next after having shared grounds they would be looking to change the name of the grounds and clubs that own them could you see Linfield or N.I soccer team playing their home games in Casement Park redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts: 167 - 30/01/2019 13:35:14 2160925 Link
Replying To Ashrules: "Is it true that Shane Ross stated GAA facilities should be available to all sports? GAA followers should know which politicians appreciate the massive effort in past times to push our national identity and promote our national games against been steamrolled by foreign games in that context. I would like to know when deciding come election time" At the risk of defending Shane Ross it's not exactly true. He said any sport receiving government funding to develop it's own facilities should allow those facilities to be used by other sports, this was during the Liam Miller testimonial match venue saga last year. Something like this would apply to all sports so it's not signalling out the GAA and it wouldn't force any club to open up it's facilities across the board to any club that wants to use them. I'd definitely agree with DonaldDuck on this one, there's a serious lack of community or municipal sports facilities in Ireland. The Scandinavians and the French to a lesser extent have it down to a tee almost and it's something that should really be looked at in the future here. if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 30/01/2019 14:00:47 2160939 Link
OK if he was referring to facilities which receive funding. 1. It is right and proper for Irish Governments to grant aid the promotion of their own national games 2. Those funded facilities are not for helping out foreign games, And no one should apologise for favouring their own identity 3. The GAA has always been primarily a community based organisation which promotes local communities with facilities and through our own national games and customs. 4. His D4 sports also received funding but because of their more insular and selfish ethos did not garner the same local support and committement to match the GAA's strong development of facilities. 5. He has some gall to suggest that after 4 we should accomodate his foreign self centred pastimes because they are falling behind the GAA Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 30/01/2019 15:09:25 2160958 Link
So if the Government gives 1 euro to a club then Rugby/Soccer ect has the right to play there despite what the community have done to build it up and finance themselves throughout the years. Not a fan of this. gavinswinningmatches (Dublin) - Posts: 2 - 30/01/2019 15:33:19 2160968 Link
Replying To Ashrules: "OK if he was referring to facilities which receive funding. 1. It is right and proper for Irish Governments to grant aid the promotion of their own national games 2. Those funded facilities are not for helping out foreign games, And no one should apologise for favouring their own identity 3. The GAA has always been primarily a community based organisation which promotes local communities with facilities and through our own national games and customs. 4. His D4 sports also received funding but because of their more insular and selfish ethos did not garner the same local support and committement to match the GAA's strong development of facilities. 5. He has some gall to suggest that after 4 we should accomodate his foreign self centred pastimes because they are falling behind the GAA" What a load of tripe. Foreign games, national games bllsht! Most of us coach GAA, Soccer, Athletics ....everything. What we are really doing is coaching kids and helping out in the community. Usually it is all the same kids. We should focus on communities and if making things better for communities means funding tiddlywinks then that is what the government should be doing. In general, particularly in small rural locations clubs should be encouraged to build proper shared community facilities. In many villages you see badly maintained facilities all over the place. No club on their own has the funds/membership to maintain them. In larger towns it may not make any sense because the GAA club and the Soccer club etc might be too big in their own right to combine facilities. Common sense should rule and funding should follow common sense. Nobody can force someone else to do something with their property but it is fully legitimate for a person funding something to have strings attached. You don't like the strings don't take the funding! One particular bug bear of mine is some local GAA clubs have their hands tied over the use of their facilities. Obviously they should be for GAA use primarily but if some other club needs to use it they should have the power to say yes (and No). Obviously their needs come first. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1831 - 30/01/2019 15:50:15 2160976 Link
It shouldn't be forced on any clubs, GAA, Soccer, Rugby, Athletics, Basketball, Community organisations etc. Plenty of communities already share resources. But they should consider it when planning for new sporting facilities. Possibly share new grounds with clubs, schools, colleges. Instead of wasting money on grounds for one sports organisation that's idle a good part of the year while other sports in the locality are building new facilities to use when other grounds are idle and could be used. Politicians will go with the opinion of their electorate if it gets them elected. To be seen to be spending a lot of money on something seems to be the way to go to get a few votes. Doing the hard work of trying to get a few clubs together to save money for themselves and sharing resources is what politicians should be doing I think. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7347 - 30/01/2019 16:09:50 2160980 Link
Im not at all a fan of Shane Ross. He's been nothing short of a disaster as a government minister in relation to his policy on rural Ireland. Irish sport is tricky. Its steeped in our history and politics. To me, the idea of a GAA club, a rugby club, a soccer club and an athletics club sharing facilities (all of which you'll find in any decent sized town) is a good idea in principle. It's good for everyone. In the future, new local projects may be handled like this. The level of integration from people to play many games at once is high. It makes a lot of sense to pool resources in FUTURE stadia and community projects. As it stands, very many GAA clubs (particularly rural) worked and crowd-funded to get where they are. They shouldnt be forced to accomodate other sports in my opinion. I want to make it clear that Im not part of the hardline GAA chest-beating "foreign games" brigade. I enjoy many sports and I think itd be great if fans could all get along, but alas, like I said above Irish sport is steeped in historical issues and elements of the GAA still have a siege mentality against rugby, and soccer in particular. In 30/40 years time integration and co-operation might be a non issue. Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 587 - 30/01/2019 16:50:58 2160990 Link
Replying To Ashrules: "OK if he was referring to facilities which receive funding. 1. It is right and proper for Irish Governments to grant aid the promotion of their own national games 2. Those funded facilities are not for helping out foreign games, And no one should apologise for favouring their own identity 3. The GAA has always been primarily a community based organisation which promotes local communities with facilities and through our own national games and customs. 4. His D4 sports also received funding but because of their more insular and selfish ethos did not garner the same local support and committement to match the GAA's strong development of facilities. 5. He has some gall to suggest that after 4 we should accomodate his foreign self centred pastimes because they are falling behind the GAA" Ahh I'm sorry the whole pushing of the foreign sports thing has lost you any credibility with ur original point. I know plenty of Irish boys and girls who enjoy soccer rugby etc. so less of the bs foreign sports crap. That's the type of talk that gets us called bigots, hypocrites, and does nothing to expand our game. The Liam Miller debacle or more accurately the disgrace, did no favors for the gaa. We need to thread carefully , especially when we now know what a absolute shambles cork gaa made of puc, it adds insult to injury, and shows that really we are nothing but gombeens when it comes to money. We won't always have such a good relationship with governments. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/01/2019 16:51:48 2160991 Link
Replying To Ashrules: "OK if he was referring to facilities which receive funding. 1. It is right and proper for Irish Governments to grant aid the promotion of their own national games 2. Those funded facilities are not for helping out foreign games, And no one should apologise for favouring their own identity 3. The GAA has always been primarily a community based organisation which promotes local communities with facilities and through our own national games and customs. 4. His D4 sports also received funding but because of their more insular and selfish ethos did not garner the same local support and committement to match the GAA's strong development of facilities. 5. He has some gall to suggest that after 4 we should accomodate his foreign self centred pastimes because they are falling behind the GAA" I'm thoroughly opposed to everything you seem to be standing for. If you read above I put my own thoughts into a post. "Foreign facilities", "National games", "D4 sports", the "insular and selfish ethos of sports other than GAA", "foreign self centred past-times". These are crazy statements to make and harm the GAA and its volunteers around the country. Its a tiny country where we need local communities to rise above this type of 1940s crap. Kids in particular often play 3/4 sports and are often coached by the same people in all codes. Your holier than thou attitude would make a horse vomit. Its a football being kicked or thrown around a field at the end of the day, does it really bother that much like? Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 587 - 30/01/2019 17:22:39 2160998 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Ahh I'm sorry the whole pushing of the foreign sports thing has lost you any credibility with ur original point. I know plenty of Irish boys and girls who enjoy soccer rugby etc. so less of the bs foreign sports crap. That's the type of talk that gets us called bigots, hypocrites, and does nothing to expand our game. The Liam Miller debacle or more accurately the disgrace, did no favors for the gaa. We need to thread carefully , especially when we now know what a absolute shambles cork gaa made of puc, it adds insult to injury, and shows that really we are nothing but gombeens when it comes to money. We won't always have such a good relationship with governments." The GAA is an organisation for Irish sports and culture. FACT. If a sport or culture is not Irish then it's foreign. FACT. If you want to righteously put your own spin on these definitions then away you go. I don't think you're in any position to talk about credibility on here. You're a GAA man that hates Ulster, hates the Irish language and hates hurling. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 30/01/2019 17:29:55 2161003 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "The GAA is an organisation for Irish sports and culture. FACT. If a sport or culture is not Irish then it's foreign. FACT. If you want to righteously put your own spin on these definitions then away you go. I don't think you're in any position to talk about credibility on here. You're a GAA man that hates Ulster, hates the Irish language and hates hurling." I rarely agree with Royaldunne but I do on this occasion. Your post is essentially the "no true scotsman" fallacy. RD is saying some things you dont like so you discredit him because no true GAA supporter would dislike Gaeilge or hurling, or Ulster or the easter bunny or whatever else. He makes very valid points. If we all thought like ashrules, the GAA would be considered a laughing stock by educated people. Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 587 - 30/01/2019 17:38:49 2161006 Link
IF and it is a big IF, a government is spending money on sports facilities every effort should be made to make them available to all. A perfect example is St Annes park in Clontarf, a cricket crease, soccer pitches, GAA pitches, tennis courts etc and dressing room facilities for all are available simply because it is local authority money being spent. However most GAA clubs in Dublin have built their bases up from scratch with zilch funding from anyone but themselves. So yeah they can all go take a flying one if that is what he (or anyone else) is implying. I don't believe he is that stupid though, unfortunately there are still some people who seem to think these club houses were built by generous grants, not so in Dublin. BTW in my experience some parks do not fairly divide out pitches and green areas so maybe he should look at that first before he speaks. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 30/01/2019 18:04:56 2161013 Link
Dont see a problem in clubs sharing grounds with other sports of they both agree to it, combining resources cant be a bad thing to help facilities PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 30/01/2019 18:08:51 2161016 Link