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Thanks for the comments Royaldunne and Panamasam. I appreciate them.
Panamasam regards Donegal, they have really impressed me and I think in the early 2020s there is an All Ireland in those group of player. I know its not scientific, but Donegal won first Ulster title in 1972, and, won first All Ireland in 1992 and second one in 2012. What r the chances Donegal win Sam in 2022. All these young players will be peaking around then. McBreaty will be in his mid 20s and should be on fire. And Murphy should be at the peak of his powers. I think McGuinness had enormous positive effect on Donegal footballers and Donegal GAA in general, when he was manager and afterwards. And his legacy will continue to see Donegal very strong into the 2020s. And the players and talent is coming through also.
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Replying To cuttothebone: "Show me the reports of 10-15 years ago of players leaving so we can compare.. Of course there arent any so we dont know.. Of course players were not leaving the likes of Armagh and Cork 10 yrs ago because they were top teams back then but they were leaving other less successful teams as they always do.
You are also forgetting that that 30% are not gone for good, the vast majority just take a year out or in some cases fall out with manager and are back in when his tenure is up.. You know full well when McEntee quits in the summer many of the former Meath players will make themselves available again if a quality manager is put in place. Jason Ryans appointment and Geezers treatment lead to a similar situation in Kildare.." What?? You do know that mcentee has the vast majority of support from player in county. There is very few who are not on Meath team because of him , I can only think of one, (and no matter who there he won't play , this same line (lie ) was trotted out last year in relation to micky Newman, pauric harnan and sean Tobin. All are on panel this year. Please learn something about what you posting ,before you post complete and utter falsehoods and downright lies. Thank you.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 15:31:41
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Or better still name these players?? You won't be able to as you have zero evidence to back up them unbelievable downright LIES
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 15:35:21
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Furthermore the reason Kildare cb got rid of McGeeney was cause of the whole sj saga where he played a huge part in illegally poaching a player that had absolutely no relationship to Kildare, as was proven with his return to his native co where he never left, he compounded that by making him pick up a Hurley for 23 seconds. Cb rightly felt ashamed of these actions and acted accordingly
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 31/01/2019 15:49:18
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Thanks for the comments Royaldunne and Panamasam. I appreciate them.
Panamasam regards Donegal, they have really impressed me and I think in the early 2020s there is an All Ireland in those group of player. I know its not scientific, but Donegal won first Ulster title in 1972, and, won first All Ireland in 1992 and second one in 2012. What r the chances Donegal win Sam in 2022. All these young players will be peaking around then. McBreaty will be in his mid 20s and should be on fire. And Murphy should be at the peak of his powers. I think McGuinness had enormous positive effect on Donegal footballers and Donegal GAA in general, when he was manager and afterwards. And his legacy will continue to see Donegal very strong into the 2020s. And the players and talent is coming through also." Hopefully but these younger players are used to provincial success but not national success for whatever reason. I have great admiration for Tyrone underage teams in this regard as psychologically playing outside of Ulster if anything brings them on another level where unfortunately Donegal have flattered to deceive. Though I do give a pass to our U-21's from 2017 for reasons I am sure ur well aware of. What McGuinness done is change the mindset and give believe which is all that was needed. So hopefully another All Ireland is not in the too distant future but won't be easy given the Dublin behemoth and the coming Kerry talent pool.
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I thought it interesting that Donegal had nobody from the 2012 All Ireland Final starting against Clare last Sunday and only one from the 2014 Final i.e Ryan McHugh.We expect to have a few of them appearing later on but it just shows how quickly things change.
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10 mins after a guy disputes players might have left a panel because of the manager he goes on his home page and admits he hasnt got a clue why 5 lads (even names them!!) left the panel! I don't normally read anything he posts but he replied to me and i have to tip my hat, for comic relief that's the best yet..!
cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 31/01/2019 21:13:13
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Two statistics show how hard it is going to be for Meath on Saturday v Donegal.
Meath havent won their first two games in the league in 7 years since Banty was in charge. In 2012 Meath defeated Monaghan and Westmeath in their first two games. The last time Meath won their first two games. Meath always start poorly but usually finish strongly with a run of victories at the end of the league.
Star 2 Donegal are unbeaten in Ballybofey in their last 13 league games. That includes unbeaten v Dublin twice Kerry Mayo, all the best teams in the country.
The games that r very important for Meath r Armagh and Cork. Games Meath cud lose. But games Meath cud win. Meath need 6 from 8 points before they play kildare in Navan in week 5 . I always thought that game wud be a massive game. You would expect kildare by week 5 to be one of the frontrunners for promotion. By week 5 Meath cud need points to stay in the division or to get promoted. If Meath were to get 6 from 8 , that game in Navan cud be a massive promotion decider. Lots of football to be played and what is certain as the first week has shown teams will take points of each.other.
But that game v kildare will be fascinating to see have Meath closed the gap with kildare. In 2017 kildare defeated very comprehensivly in both game in a very impressive manner. Feehily dominated midfield and Niall kelly ran riot on the 40. Meath seemed to have improved at midfield and the half back line and backs in general have improved. It probaly Meaths strongest line of the field now. Meath have had a shakey full back line and problems in the half back line for years all the way back to the early 00s. This year there seems to be an improvement.
kildare will be favourites . Deservedly so. But it just will be interesting to see have Meath closed the gap . That game in Navan cud be a cracker and I think will be important game for both teams. Looking forward to it already. You cannot beat when the league is back. And Meath v kildare has been a really good rivalry for the the last ten years. Some great games. And I think both teams have upped their game at underage at response to Dublins sucess. I have a feeling u will see many more great games between both counties. It has become leinsters best rivalry. Meath v Dublin and Kildare v Dublin at the moment are mute rivalries. Meath and kildare has swung from one team beating the other for a few years then the other being more sucessful rivalry . In last 6 championship games Meath have won 3 and kildare have won 3.
2007 to 2010 Meath are ahead of kildare and for time in 2010 ahead of Dublin
2010 to 2012 Kildare have upperhand v Meath as McGeeney goes under a run of games of victories over Meath in league and championship.
2012 to 2014 Meath get the upperhand with kildare with 2 championship victories
2015 to 2016 Westmeath beat both and deserve the title second best team in leinster
2017 to 2019 Kildare have the upperhand with two victories in 2017 in very impressive fashion for kildare.
2019 to 2020s ???
So it will be interesting to see how both team fare in the coming year. Kildare did win a great under 20 All Ireland last year beating the Dubs kerry and Mayo. In my view one of the best underage All-Irelands won by any team in leinster by beating Dublin kerry and Mayo. Kildare need to build a team around that under 20 team. If u look anytime a team in leinster won around that grade it led to senior sucess
Dublin won 5 All Ireland Under 21 Titles since early 00s . Dublin have won many senior titles after.
Laois won Under 21 All Ireland in 90s. They went on to win a leinster senior title after in 03.
Westmeath won Under 21 All Ireland in 90s. They also went onto senior leinster title in 04.
Meath won Under 21 All Ireland in 1993. They went on to many All Ireland and leinster titles after in 96 99 01.
So it looks good for kildare. Managers like Glen Ryan and Davy Burke look impressive and I believe there is two leinster titles in kildare , kildare r good enough to win 2 leinster titles in next 5 to 6 years and push for Sam. But they have to go to war with Dublin in leinster like the kildare team of late 90s and Meath and Offaly teams did in 70s 80s and 90s.
There record in backdoor is really good but they need to improve in leinster. Reach leinster finals and get closer snd closer to Dublin each year. They have the raw talent they just need the belief .
Meath have also improved underge but now need sucess and under 20 grade. At minor r strong beating Dublin 4 times in 4 years at minor. I think both counties have upped their game massively at underage and even in last few months underage work has improved and increased on the ground for both counties. My gut feeling is u will see more frequency of good underage teams in both counties in coming year. But counties have upped their game at underage in response to Dublin. That is a positive for both counties. But both need to tap into new population growth in both counties. Both have failed so far. But need to tap into this area in the future." Ironically Furlong the last time that Meath won their first two games in the league, they also got relegated.
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Fancy Donegal to win this without major bother to be honest. If we are serious about the year ahead and I know we are, then I fancy us to win home games in Division 2 especially against anyone. I think there are better teams than Meath in this division. If Meath could turn us over it would be a positive sign for them after a lot of mediocre years. Would love to see them improve hugely and give Dublin a battle in Leinster as the provincial championship there is no longer a competition, only in name.
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Replying To OLLIE: "Ironically Furlong the last time that Meath won their first two games in the league, they also got relegated." Don't mention that Ollie, we still trying to forget about it. :)
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2019 15:10:37
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Going for a Meath win by 2, think our running game will cause donegal problems. The likes of campion, keoghan, O'Sullivan, mcentee and Reilly speed will be hard to stop. Also hoping to see Conlon play some part tomorrow evening.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2019 15:34:25
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Replying To royaldunne: "Going for a Meath win by 2, think our running game will cause donegal problems. The likes of campion, keoghan, O'Sullivan, mcentee and Reilly speed will be hard to stop. Also hoping to see Conlon play some part tomorrow evening." Eoghan Ban and Ryan to wreak havoc on the counter attack for Donegal. Plus Jamie Brennan to further enhance his reputation as an inside forward to be reckoned with.
Donegal 2-11 - 0-13 Meath.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9151 - 01/02/2019 15:48:47
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Replying To royaldunne: "Going for a Meath win by 2, think our running game will cause donegal problems. The likes of campion, keoghan, O'Sullivan, mcentee and Reilly speed will be hard to stop. Also hoping to see Conlon play some part tomorrow evening." I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Meath sprung a shock here. If Andy can get in the ref's ear and run on enough it might just sway it for them.
Tis little things like that that they can play on . He's a fair man for the ref's ear.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 01/02/2019 15:53:01
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Only one result here a resounding victory for us.We are a Div 1 team where Meath are a mid table Div 2 team who are living on past glories.
neutral (None) - Posts: 358 - 01/02/2019 15:56:31
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Eoghan Ban and Ryan to wreak havoc on the counter attack for Donegal. Plus Jamie Brennan to further enhance his reputation as an inside forward to be reckoned with.
Donegal 2-11 - 0-13 Meath." Not forgetting Michael Newman. Any free inside the donegal half and it's over the bar. Need to be very disciplined
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2019 16:41:18
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Donegal seem to be missing a huge number of lads who will be starters come championship but even still youd have to fancy them by 6 or 7
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Replying To royaldunne: "Don't mention that Ollie, we still trying to forget about it. :)" Haha Royaldunne.
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Replying To neutral: "Only one result here a resounding victory for us.We are a Div 1 team where Meath are a mid table Div 2 team who are living on past glories." Crikey for a man called neutral with a county of none I love the use of the word "us"!!!! I don't see too many Meath supporters here living in past glories, in fact all are very factual and realistic of our present position
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Replying To Richieq: "Crikey for a man called neutral with a county of none I love the use of the word "us"!!!! I don't see too many Meath supporters here living in past glories, in fact all are very factual and realistic of our present position" Yeah I think that's what you could call a oxymoron? Well maybe half right anyway. :). A close game for yourself Richie not too far to travel.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2019 18:30:26
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Fancy Donegal to win this without major bother to be honest. If we are serious about the year ahead and I know we are, then I fancy us to win home games in Division 2 especially against anyone. I think there are better teams than Meath in this division. If Meath could turn us over it would be a positive sign for them after a lot of mediocre years. Would love to see them improve hugely and give Dublin a battle in Leinster as the provincial championship there is no longer a competition, only in name." Ballybofey is normally a tough place for away teams to get a result, but Donegal are currently missing a whole host of star players, with other senior players who featured as subs against Clare currently lacking match fitness. This crop of young players filling the gaps are very talented, but probably lack the level experience needed to deal with a big football County like Meath.
We are missing huge players Michael Murphy, Paddy McBrearty, Odhran MacNiallais, Frank McGlynn and Neil McGee, and other key players Leo McLoone, Eoghan Ban Gallagher, Paddy McGrath and Stephen McMenamin are just returning and all lack match fitness. It will be great learning curve for these new players.
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