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It's genuinely amazing that the Leinster Council comprising of delegates from 12 counties, 11 of which aren't Dublin, can't manage to implement the home and away agreement like you suggest. Laois complained loudly, and rightly so in 2016. Carlow complained loudly, and rightly so in 2017. Wicklow complained loudly, and rightly so in 2018. A bit of solidarity needed. It's fairly simple but the other Leinster counties go awful quiet the years it doesn't affect them. Dublin's not playing an away game in Leinster will continue until the other Leinster counties finally organise that party in the brewery. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 18/01/2019 14:49:55 2158027 Link 4 |
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I know the points you are making. Its just that Kildare regardless of current modern context havent ever really been provincial kinkpins. They have won two provincial titles in over 60 years, which given population and resources - if we are using that as collateral to debate, is very poor. Thats a long period, before this current Dublin appex and years i can remember distinctly Dublin being a basket case. Regardless of Dublin last year they were in a quarter final, they didnt play Dublin so, they could have easily made a semi final or a final without having to play Dublin. Same with Meath really, i cant remember the last time we played Meath in the Championship, was around the time of the soccer European Championships. I think Dublin are an accessible excuse for many counties in Leinsters failings. Dublin are tough to beat certainly, in my opinion if lads are jacking up the game because they dont believe they will ever beat them, they wouldn't have gotten very far in the game with that kind of mentality. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/01/2019 14:57:12 2158029 Link 3 |
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Agree with your point that Kildare should, with this current pool of talent, be at least beating all the rest and putting it up to Dublin, that's our problem to address.. But your missing the point on your "mentality of players". They can have the best mentality in the world coming on to the first team but years of beatings and fighting against a tide of advantages to your biggest rival wont be long chipping it away, and the "whats the point atitude" starts coming to the fore. This all leads to lads giving up or taking a break usually as they reach their peak. But a fighting chance of catching Dublin on an off day in Newbridge, with a few breaks going our way, and who knows.. A medal to show for all the years of effort and interest maintained for another few years. A fair shot at it...Its not a lot to ask. cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 18/01/2019 17:34:50 2158058 Link 2 |
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You mean going the way of the railway cup because there's effectively a province playing in it? If we amalgamate the other 11 counties we might have a competitive fixture on our hands and then it really would be like the railway Cup. Dublin fans who keep bringing up kilkenny. Yes the hurling championship in Leinster was pretty much dead during those times. They didn't have massive financial resources or population which made it a lot easier to think it wouldn't last forever. This coupled with the GAA putting Galway into the province. If Galway can be taken from Connaught and put into Leinster I don't see why Dublin can't be taken out and put into a different province each year. The problem here is nobody really believes things will change unlike the hurling. Every year Dublins population grows and so does popularity in the GAA. Meanwhile Rugby and Soccer are gaining popularity around Leinster. Yes a Meath or Kildare might pip Dublin once over the next 10 years but that's not enough to get people excited. If it ever does happens we all know Dublin will bounce back and win the next 5 or 10 in a row anyway. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 18/01/2019 18:10:30 2158065 Link 8 |
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Galway in Connacht and Dublin in Leinster are very different. There's been no Connacht hurling tradition ever outside of Galway. Are the what 10-15 clubs in Connacht outside of Galway. There is no Connacht championship. It isn't run between the remaining counties. There's been plenty of football tradition in Leinster outside of Dublin. There's 50 adult football clubs in Meath alone. A Leinster title without Dublin is not a real Leinster title. The Leinster championship is to determine a best Leinster team, how can that have integrity without the best current team. Leinster teams do get screwed by the back door. 7 teams into round 1 out of 11 is not fair. Any team with Dublin in their half of the draw is pretty much guaranteed to go into the round 2 qualifiers at best. I think the competitive structures should change and weight Provincial achievement less but the Leinster championship should have the same 11 teams. There are plenty of other reasons why Meath aren't going well. They've been knocked out of Leinster by Longford and Westmeath in recent years. Imagine saying that to a Meath fan in 2000. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 18/01/2019 19:12:46 2158073 Link 4 |
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Sick telling people who are sick hearing me that Dublin should be forced every year to travel to their opponents ground for every Leinster semi final. The final will always be in Dublin, cant be too greedy i suppose,(although a leinster final in portlaoise or somewhere neutral would be a welcome change) so to address the imbalance a "first out the hat is home" for all rounds up to final except Dublin who must travel away in the semi. The Dubs would love it, the home fans would love it, the local economy's would certainly love it, and all it would take is the stroke of a pen from the "wise" men in power.. cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 18/01/2019 20:00:02 2158081 Link 2 |
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I agree, more away games please. You could bet someone would start a thread like "Leinster Football Gate Receipts Down Nearly 30%". ;) TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/01/2019 21:16:08 2158093 Link 5 |
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Coincidently I know a few a lads on the Kildare panel and I know a few who decided to step away, at least to my face they told me the decision was based more on internal stuff really. obviously that's broad and I'm generalizing without going into specifics for obvious reasons. It's a massive commitment and a lot of self sacrifice and the set up and approach is key to keeping players. Fear of Dublin is the last reason why I think lads step away for a bit. I think there is a dynamic there between commitment a vs opportunity and life sacrifice vs ameturism. Lads step away because they can without any material loss and focus on different areas of their life. You make the point as if this loss of players or lads stepping away is some exclusive club Dublin aren't part of, Dublin continue to win All Ireland's in years were Jack McCaffery, Paul Mannion, Diarmuid Connolly and Rory O' Carroll decided to step away from the Dublin County team, all vital contributors to the four in a row. So even with Dublins "advantages" we see lads are taking time away from the game for the reasons I've stated. Like said Dublin sometimes are an accessible excuse for under performance. You mention advantages, I agree Dublin play to many games in Croke Park but the last County that should see this as an advantage in Kildare. There are parts of North Kildare you can get to Croke Park quicker then in Dublin, if the N7 and N4 are anything to go by more people from Kildare spend more time in Dublin then Kildare. I also remember Kildare being happy to play home games in Croke Park during the Micko years. Playing in Croke Park is a huge advantage to Kildare, then it would be for say Cork if they played them there. You also mention money, I'll just point this out. Population of Dublin: 1.345 million, Games Development Funding: 1.298 million, Ratio per head of population: 96 cent Population of Kildare: 222,130, Games Developemnt Funding: 226.428k, Ratio per head of population: 1 euro. That basic funding. You would also know, that Louth, Kildare, Meath and Wicklow are being given 1.5 mill over three years to share on paying additional coaching. That's in addititiin to the Leinster Council grant Kildare receive to fund coaching, Dublin are the only team in Leinster not to revive this. Like I say Dublin are like the boogey man to some in Leinster, but as the above illustrates, particularly in Kildare and a few other counties cases there has been chronic waste and under achievement, blaming Dublin will keep you were you are and create a mental glass ceiling. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/01/2019 21:48:29 2158101 Link 5 |
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Here are the next 12 days GAA fixtures in Kilkenny: http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?countyBoardID=15&daysAfter=12&nosort=1&orderByRank=Y No interest in football? Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2467 - 18/01/2019 23:16:14 2158112 Link 0 |
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I literally walked away from it in 2002 because of the introduction of the back door system, with no regrets, that said, it makes no difference whether the Dub's play in Croke Park, Cusack park or any other park that's only a small part of the contentious issue. A previous poster said, Laois complained loudly, and rightly so in 2016. Carlow complained loudly, and rightly so in 2017 Wicklow complained loudly, and Wicklow complained rightly so in 2018. ??? they may have complained but achieved nothing, in particular Wicklow, their game with the Dub's, it should have been played in Aughrim, but didn't because they didn't shout loud enough, the chance of a carnival atmosphere was missed out on with something for the youngsters and people of Aughrim to remember and build on. Cian O'Neill earned huge respect with his stand alone "Newbridge or Nowhere" stance with Kildare's up coming game with Mayo, so, Kildare didn't want or need the support of eleven other counties, they did it on their own. By the same token if Wicklow had to stand firm and say, "Aughrim or Nowhere" where would their game have been played?? If we can have another look at the "Back Door" system, let's all have a look at what Mullinalaghta achieved against all the odd's, was it a glorious defeat for Kilmacud Crokes or a moral victory for Mullinalaghta, I would say it was a massive victory for Mullinalaghta simply because they didn't come through the Back Door, that's the advantage of having no back door. Carlow's Eire Og achieved the same success, not once but 5 times and 2 All Ireland apperances with no Back Door. Make your own mind up. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 19/01/2019 00:04:51 2158124 Link 0 |
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why all the thumbs down ? truth hurts !! superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 19/01/2019 00:41:09 2158129 Link 2 |
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The back door definitely helps the cream rise to the top with regards to winning outright. The backdoor can be an opportunity for excitement though from other counties. Look at Fermanagh getting to a semifinal and quarterfinals. Clare getting to a quarterfinal, Wexford and Tipperary both to semifinals. You get more variety in championship games with the Interprovincial contests. I think there should be some changes to make the competitions more fair and give more opportunities for high profile games for less traditional counties. That would not include a super 8s. The intercounty football season is in need of a major overhaul to offer something for all 32 competing squads, not just a quick cash grab to benefit the small few. There are so many ways of doing that but it's not being properly put on the table and the piece wise approach of the GAA so far isn't going to work. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 19/01/2019 11:04:40 2158158 Link 3 |
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I meant in having a a senior inter county team. At least their senior championship winners compete in the Leinster Intermediate Club Championship.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 19/01/2019 15:47:35 2158217 Link 0 |
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You said: "Kilkenny have as about as much interest in football as the Unionists have in no border on our Island." That, besides your ignorance, is a huge insult to the players,; children and adults of both sexes, who regularly play football in Kilkenny. Every GAA club in Kilkenny have both hurling and football teams at all ages. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2467 - 20/01/2019 00:48:17 2158333 Link 1 |
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Here is a little fact for those who live outside of the province. ( Now I'm open to correction if there is one in Laois or Kildare but I don't think so ) In 2019 there will be a rare breed of inter country players with a Leinster senior football medal playing (or on panel ) of county . The number is 2, (if someone wants to tell me differently I am all for it as I didn't google this just from memory) Those nearly extinct species will be micky burke and graham Reilly of Meath , both in the autumn of their playing days. Now tell me what would they make of that out west or up north? How are any other county supposed to motivate their players when not one panel member has a Leinster senior medal? No wonder the fall off of players in Meath Kildare Westmeath Louth Laois Offaly is so high. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/01/2019 10:11:29 2158357 Link 3 |
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I'm not insulting anybody in Kilkenny who plays football. The fact is that Kilkenny co board have no interest in fielding a senior championship team. Hurling takes precedence over football. Prove otherwise.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 20/01/2019 11:58:33 2158365 Link 0 |
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I think there's a real problem there that has to be addressed. The be all and end all isn't about winning Provincial championships though, why would anyone in Fermanagh play if that were the case. There is a problem that inter county aren't being offered an attractive playing season to compensate for the time they are spending training. There are a handful of counties at the top capable of retaining their players and then below that you have counties with widely different panels from year to year and are unable to retain their best players, no wonder the gap is widening. I think the league needs to be moved back in the calendar and the intercounty season played in a more condensed time frame. Mid February to mid April should be used for Provincial and All Ireland club and for intercounty preseason, those can be played in parallel. mid April to the end of July National leagues and Provincial championships played in parallel with games most weekends and a few rest weekends in there. August and September for the All Ireland series. When a county is eliminated they can start their club championships. It's a proper season for players. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 20/01/2019 12:31:53 2158369 Link 3 |
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Numbers down because game is losing appeal/support from paying public. All about damage limitation, no one wants to have a go especially playing Dublin. All the issue about New rules was trying to give some life/excitement back into the game. Who wants to watch 15 men behind the ball and handing the bejayous out of it. Convert2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 25 - 20/01/2019 13:12:25 2158377 Link 2 |
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Ross Munnelly I think.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 20/01/2019 13:23:32 2158382 Link 2 |
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Ross Munnelly I think."]He may have a Leinster medal. As I said I'm open to correction but that's 3 out of 300+ players. Again the comparison with Fermanagh is different, as there is plenty of people outside of say Tyrone still playing who has ulster medals, at least they can dream to achieve. Same with mayo in the West. There is Roscommon lads with medals as there is Galway, but within the next few years there won't be one Leinster player outside of dubs still playing who has a provincial medal.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/01/2019 14:45:58 2158394 Link 0 |