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Leinster Football Gate Receipts Down Nearly 30%

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https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0115/1023316-leinster-football-gate-receipts-down-nearly-30/

And very interestingly leinster hurling brought in more revenue then the football. If the hurling keeps getting more competitive and the football less so, then this gap will only widen.

The leinster football championship used to be a massive money spinner but not anymore. How did the GAA not see this coming?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 16/01/2019 19:28:26    2157630

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0115/1023316-leinster-football-gate-receipts-down-nearly-30/

And very interestingly leinster hurling brought in more revenue then the football. If the hurling keeps getting more competitive and the football less so, then this gap will only widen.

The leinster football championship used to be a massive money spinner but not anymore. How did the GAA not see this coming?"
I think gates receipts get too much attention in the GAA.

They are somewhat fleeting and are hugely variable on the specifics at play.

You look at last years Leinster smaller counties performed well. If you have Meath and Kildare only playing 1 game each in the competition it's going to hurt gate receipts. It doesn't mean that's a bad thing, or something that needs to be addressed. It's excellent that Carlow, Longford had big wins in the competition and Laois reached the final for the first time in a while.

As regards Hurling the new format was always going to be attractive for fans. The test of it will be 3 or 4 years down the line will it still be shiny and new and popular if there are regularly similar results from year to year or if Galway continue to hold a persistent upper hand over the rest of the field.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 16/01/2019 19:59:19    2157636

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How does Leinster compare to the other three provinces?

A few contributory factors I think, Longford, Loais, Carlow all did well last year they are counties with very small populations.

Meath and Kildare getting knocked out in the first round by those counties hurt the coffers they are counties with almost a quarter of a million people.

You only have to look at the attendance in the 17 final compared to 18 to see the impact.

At least Dublin played a game outside of Croke Park, I'm sure that helped the coffers too! ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/01/2019 21:56:39    2157660

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0115/1023316-leinster-football-gate-receipts-down-nearly-30/

And very interestingly leinster hurling brought in more revenue then the football. If the hurling keeps getting more competitive and the football less so, then this gap will only widen.

The leinster football championship used to be a massive money spinner but not anymore. How did the GAA not see this coming?"
And what could the GAA do about it anyway? Its sport unfortunately, is it Dublin are so far ahead or is it that the other 11 standards have declined? I think you will find its a bit of both. Knowing this other counties need to step up their game. On another note the Provincials are just going the way of the Railway cup its evolution.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 17/01/2019 18:19:42    2157845

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Replying To arock:  "And what could the GAA do about it anyway? Its sport unfortunately, is it Dublin are so far ahead or is it that the other 11 standards have declined? I think you will find its a bit of both. Knowing this other counties need to step up their game. On another note the Provincials are just going the way of the Railway cup its evolution."
When you look at what a county the size of Monaghan and Roscommon are doing then Leinster counties really need to go their game. Fundraising should be no issue and they have massive populations compared to counties in the west and from what I've seen far superior club grounds and facilities...they need to start developing their teams...maybe they are already? It will take time.

Dublin's dominance on this current level won't last forever.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 17/01/2019 18:40:12    2157850

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Replying To arock:  "And what could the GAA do about it anyway? Its sport unfortunately, is it Dublin are so far ahead or is it that the other 11 standards have declined? I think you will find its a bit of both. Knowing this other counties need to step up their game. On another note the Provincials are just going the way of the Railway cup its evolution."
Would it be a bad thing then for Dublin to be removed from Leinster?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/01/2019 18:49:36    2157855

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Replying To arock:  "And what could the GAA do about it anyway? Its sport unfortunately, is it Dublin are so far ahead or is it that the other 11 standards have declined? I think you will find its a bit of both. Knowing this other counties need to step up their game. On another note the Provincials are just going the way of the Railway cup its evolution."
Take Dublin out of Leinster, and it would be a good football championship, but that is just hypothesis
Agree that 11 other counties need to step up and challenge Dublin.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 17/01/2019 19:20:00    2157863

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I am a student and I wouldn't even part with a fiver to watch a football match. I think the real problem is that no county feels like they have a chance in hell of winning it.
I like John Mullane love my county but the dubious honour for Wexford to beat Louth next year is a game v Dublin? Imagine the poor sods in Ferns and Drogheda running around the pitches tonight knowing that is their fate.
Football as an entertainment spectacle has fallen dramatically, it is now awful stuff altogether.
Just when football needs promotion, the Dubs don't turn up to the league launch. What message does that send out?

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 17/01/2019 19:45:28    2157873

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I am a student and I wouldn't even part with a fiver to watch a football match. I think the real problem is that no county feels like they have a chance in hell of winning it.
I like John Mullane love my county but the dubious honour for Wexford to beat Louth next year is a game v Dublin? Imagine the poor sods in Ferns and Drogheda running around the pitches tonight knowing that is their fate.
Football as an entertainment spectacle has fallen dramatically, it is now awful stuff altogether.
Just when football needs promotion, the Dubs don't turn up to the league launch. What message does that send out?"
The Dubs have just returned from a trip abroad and these lads are working as well and have been doing endless charity appearances since Sept. Expecting amateurs to continually make themselves available with time off work etc and then criticising them when they don't do a gig is a bit much. Dublin's efforts and success in the NFL shows how seriously they treat it. Football is still a fantastic sport. I witnessed a great O'Byrne Cup game in the Neller last week in front of a packed house. Champions are up there to be taken down. Kilkenny lorded it over everyone in hurling for years and nobody ever complained. Counties have a target to meet, no team is unbeatable as any Offaly fan who attended the 82 AI final would tell you.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 17/01/2019 20:10:52    2157881

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Replying To Joxer:  "The Dubs have just returned from a trip abroad and these lads are working as well and have been doing endless charity appearances since Sept. Expecting amateurs to continually make themselves available with time off work etc and then criticising them when they don't do a gig is a bit much. Dublin's efforts and success in the NFL shows how seriously they treat it. Football is still a fantastic sport. I witnessed a great O'Byrne Cup game in the Neller last week in front of a packed house. Champions are up there to be taken down. Kilkenny lorded it over everyone in hurling for years and nobody ever complained. Counties have a target to meet, no team is unbeatable as any Offaly fan who attended the 82 AI final would tell you."
" Kilkenny lorded it over everyone in hurling for years and nobody ever complained."

Kilkenny never had the huge population and financial budget advantage that Dublin have.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2466 - 17/01/2019 20:46:15    2157889

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Replying To yew_tree:  "When you look at what a county the size of Monaghan and Roscommon are doing then Leinster counties really need to go their game. Fundraising should be no issue and they have massive populations compared to counties in the west and from what I've seen far superior club grounds and facilities...they need to start developing their teams...maybe they are already? It will take time.

Dublin's dominance on this current level won't last forever."
How can you be so naive to come out with a statement like that?? Does any GAA supporter outside of Leinster have any Knowledge of what being an intercounty player in Leinster champ is like at all??
Roscommon and Monaghan have every chance of winning at least 1 or 2 provincial champ medals in every 10 years or so, even more.. Practically the same can be said for vast amount of teams in Conn and Ulster. Even in Munster, Cork will turn things around shortly id say and even Tipp and Clare, with maybe home advantage, a wet day, an off day for Kerry and a bit of luck, have some hope at least. Some reward at least for their effort.
Outside Dublin, NO intercounty footballer in Leinster, NONE, have ever a hope of winning a champ medal of any sort ever again (just let that sink in for a min) unless GAA HQ get their cheque book back from Dublin.
How would Roscommon be doing now if they hadn't played either Mayo or Galway at home in the championship since 1989?? Or Monaghan against Tyrone/Donegal/Armagh?? Add to this their biggest rival playing 98% of their games at home? Add to this their biggest rival getting so much money from different sources (Multiples of what they get) they dont have to bother with any fundraising... And this is just the tip of the mountain to the advantages Dublin have over the rest of Leinster. Now how the hell do you keep players, even top quality all star potential players, interested in playing when the chances of winning even 1 provincial medal is so incredibly stacked in favour of another team?? we might be wealthier than some others but what good is that with no chance, zero, of success of any kind in champ? Do you think Meath, Offaly, Laois, and Kildare to a lesser extent would be losing so many top players if they even had just a hope, an outside chance of competing for a medal of some sort and reward for the ever increasing demands on them?
Thank God for the league, a level playing field of sorts, and only competition open to Leinster teams that gives an equal chance of success.

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 17/01/2019 21:35:13    2157903

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "" Kilkenny lorded it over everyone in hurling for years and nobody ever complained."

Kilkenny never had the huge population and financial budget advantage that Dublin have."
Think you missed the point. The point is that one team having several years of success didn't kill hurling, it doesn't kill soccer so why would it kill gaelic football?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 17/01/2019 21:43:48    2157905

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Replying To arock:  "And what could the GAA do about it anyway? Its sport unfortunately, is it Dublin are so far ahead or is it that the other 11 standards have declined? I think you will find its a bit of both. Knowing this other counties need to step up their game. On another note the Provincials are just going the way of the Railway cup its evolution."
In my opinion any fall in revenue is a pointer to where the game is at, people are beginning to think differently today than they did way back then. The leinster championship was the focus for almost all leinster sf teams, but its almost 20 years since a county other than Dublin or Meath that has won it, and that doesn't seem likely to change in the near future, most if not all can't see Dublin being dethroned in leinster this year, or next year even, etc, etc.
The back door system is partly to blame for the lack of success in the weaker counties, but it can be attributed to the success in the stronger counties, two examples, 1. In the first year of the Back Door system, Galway were beaten in the Connaught semi final by Roscommon they subsequently went on to meet and beat the same Roscommon team through the Back Door system on their way to the All Ireland final where they comprehensively beat Meath in the All Ireland final.
2. My own county, Carlow, knocked Kildare out of the Leinster sf championship in O'Connor park last year after serving up a feast of football, Kildare entered the race again, not once but twice through the back door before the concluding stages of the championship, it's not Kildare's fault, as they didn't make the rules, and that's the problem.

In hurling, there are a number of well balanced competitions available to all who participate in the small ball code.
In gaelic football, I seriously can't think of any, other than the nfl, that's well or reasonably well balanced.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 17/01/2019 21:45:41    2157907

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "" Kilkenny lorded it over everyone in hurling for years and nobody ever complained."

Kilkenny never had the huge population and financial budget advantage that Dublin have."
Ha ha you couldn't make it up.

Those two things are contradictory.

Dublin get all the money because they have loads of people.

It's quite simple really.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 17/01/2019 22:15:36    2157914

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Take Dublin out of Leinster, and it would be a good football championship, but that is just hypothesis
Agree that 11 other counties need to step up and challenge Dublin."
thelongridge, I think that you mean the other 10 counties. Kilkenny have as about as much interest in football as the Unionists have in no border on our Island.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 17/01/2019 22:24:37    2157917

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Replying To supersub15:  "In my opinion any fall in revenue is a pointer to where the game is at, people are beginning to think differently today than they did way back then. The leinster championship was the focus for almost all leinster sf teams, but its almost 20 years since a county other than Dublin or Meath that has won it, and that doesn't seem likely to change in the near future, most if not all can't see Dublin being dethroned in leinster this year, or next year even, etc, etc.
The back door system is partly to blame for the lack of success in the weaker counties, but it can be attributed to the success in the stronger counties, two examples, 1. In the first year of the Back Door system, Galway were beaten in the Connaught semi final by Roscommon they subsequently went on to meet and beat the same Roscommon team through the Back Door system on their way to the All Ireland final where they comprehensively beat Meath in the All Ireland final.
2. My own county, Carlow, knocked Kildare out of the Leinster sf championship in O'Connor park last year after serving up a feast of football, Kildare entered the race again, not once but twice through the back door before the concluding stages of the championship, it's not Kildare's fault, as they didn't make the rules, and that's the problem.

In hurling, there are a number of well balanced competitions available to all who participate in the small ball code.
In gaelic football, I seriously can't think of any, other than the nfl, that's well or reasonably well balanced."
Actually supersub 15 it's almost 20 years since Kildare beat meath in the 1998 Leinster final and two years later beat Dublin in a replay .

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 18/01/2019 03:19:44    2157933

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Replying To cuttothebone:  "How can you be so naive to come out with a statement like that?? Does any GAA supporter outside of Leinster have any Knowledge of what being an intercounty player in Leinster champ is like at all??
Roscommon and Monaghan have every chance of winning at least 1 or 2 provincial champ medals in every 10 years or so, even more.. Practically the same can be said for vast amount of teams in Conn and Ulster. Even in Munster, Cork will turn things around shortly id say and even Tipp and Clare, with maybe home advantage, a wet day, an off day for Kerry and a bit of luck, have some hope at least. Some reward at least for their effort.
Outside Dublin, NO intercounty footballer in Leinster, NONE, have ever a hope of winning a champ medal of any sort ever again (just let that sink in for a min) unless GAA HQ get their cheque book back from Dublin.
How would Roscommon be doing now if they hadn't played either Mayo or Galway at home in the championship since 1989?? Or Monaghan against Tyrone/Donegal/Armagh?? Add to this their biggest rival playing 98% of their games at home? Add to this their biggest rival getting so much money from different sources (Multiples of what they get) they dont have to bother with any fundraising... And this is just the tip of the mountain to the advantages Dublin have over the rest of Leinster. Now how the hell do you keep players, even top quality all star potential players, interested in playing when the chances of winning even 1 provincial medal is so incredibly stacked in favour of another team?? we might be wealthier than some others but what good is that with no chance, zero, of success of any kind in champ? Do you think Meath, Offaly, Laois, and Kildare to a lesser extent would be losing so many top players if they even had just a hope, an outside chance of competing for a medal of some sort and reward for the ever increasing demands on them?
Thank God for the league, a level playing field of sorts, and only competition open to Leinster teams that gives an equal chance of success."
Naive ? have you looked at the Munster situation Kerry 80 Munster titles , Cork 37 , saying tipp and clare have some chance against Kerry is "oh so Naïve" Tipp last won a Munster title in 1935 , don't hear these counties whinging about Kerrys dominance ,

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 18/01/2019 10:31:32    2157960

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Naive ? have you looked at the Munster situation Kerry 80 Munster titles , Cork 37 , saying tipp and clare have some chance against Kerry is "oh so Naïve" Tipp last won a Munster title in 1935 , don't hear these counties whinging about Kerrys dominance ,"
Kerry and Cork have done it all off their own back without being excessively and artificially backed by the very organisation who run the competition.. They also have to play away from home. They are dominant in a champ that each team (population aside) in it has a fair chance of winning.. So how or why would these teams Whinge?

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 18/01/2019 12:06:04    2157982

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I think if they played more games in neutral venue around the province it would generate more excitement, and maybe entice more people to go to games. And this isn't anti Dub by the way !! Semi-Final between Kildare/ Meath in Tullamore a few years ago was a cracking atmosphere (was packed) and think most people were delighted it wasn't in Croker. They might sell extra tickets for games in Croker but alot of people just don't want to travel up to sit in a half empty stadium, little craic between two sets of fans sometimes it can be just lifeless I think for championship football..even when 2 Leinster teams meet in the qualifers they can be great games and competitive .. was different in 90s when you only had one chance and half the county would hitch hike to stadiums if they had too !! I'm new to this lads, go easy !!!

county-minor (Kildare) - Posts: 8 - 18/01/2019 13:23:57    2158009

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Replying To county-minor:  "I think if they played more games in neutral venue around the province it would generate more excitement, and maybe entice more people to go to games. And this isn't anti Dub by the way !! Semi-Final between Kildare/ Meath in Tullamore a few years ago was a cracking atmosphere (was packed) and think most people were delighted it wasn't in Croker. They might sell extra tickets for games in Croker but alot of people just don't want to travel up to sit in a half empty stadium, little craic between two sets of fans sometimes it can be just lifeless I think for championship football..even when 2 Leinster teams meet in the qualifers they can be great games and competitive .. was different in 90s when you only had one chance and half the county would hitch hike to stadiums if they had too !! I'm new to this lads, go easy !!!"
True for ya..Every game in Leinster needs to be either in neutral grounds or on a home/away alternating agreement. There should be no guarantees for supporters groups travelling away. Dublin v Kildare, if they meet this year, could be in Newbridge, 5000 tickets for Dublin fans, tough luck on the rest, what an advent that could be. Might not change the result but boy would it change the interest levels.. All we want is a fair shot at it to maintain an interest.

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 18/01/2019 13:59:38    2158019

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