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Replying To bloodyban:  "TG4 have given good service over the years. The elephant in the room is the Irish commentary. Why is there not an English option available to us.? There's an English option on Scottish and Welsh commentary. It's outrageous really that 95% of people watching on tv are being excluded like this even though we pay for it."
Fair more than 5% of viewers understand what's going on though.

Regardless of the language of commentary it's still the same game. The ball goes over the bar it's a point, if it goes in the net it's a goal.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12580 - 13/01/2019 15:58:25    2156874

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Why should I have to learn Irish phrases and terminology to suit a tiny minority of Irish speakers. It's crazy. The Welsh don't force their language on their people and look how successful that has become. They allow people a choice and that's fine by me. Just have a Hiberno English language option."
It's not being forced on you. TG4 is an Irish medium TV station. They are entitled to bid for the games. It's your choice whether you watch or not. You could, for example, watch TV and listen to radio commentary. Watch without commentary or complain about an Irish language channel broadcasting in Irish! Jesus wept!

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3727 - 13/01/2019 17:25:54    2156899

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If RTE are showing the same live games as a simulcast with TG4

Expect to see TG4's ratings plummet

Although TG4 don't have to really worry about ratings

They have a big fat budget in place regardless of who's watching. There's an awful lot of public money being spent on what is a very small minority audience.

Having worked in broadcasting my entire adult life. I can tell you that TG4 is a golden ticket job. I've freelanced there and it's bankable income. Regardless of crummy audience figures it's immune to normal pressures.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19533 - 13/01/2019 18:27:25    2156912

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Tg4 is a great channel. My Irish has come on leaps and bounds since it launched. I can now understand 80-90% of the commentary during the games and also the analysis is much better.

thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 72 - 13/01/2019 18:40:23    2156917

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If they cut the deadwood public servant penpushers in RTE and TG4, keep the really creative people and combined both to work for just advertising revenue there might be a decent TV station in there. They're accountable to no-one and paid between our taxes and licence fees. Promoting our native language is very important but I don't think having Orange is the new Black subtitled as Gaeilge is promoting our language.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5413 - 13/01/2019 19:49:15    2156927

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "If they cut the deadwood public servant penpushers in RTE and TG4, keep the really creative people and combined both to work for just advertising revenue there might be a decent TV station in there. They're accountable to no-one and paid between our taxes and licence fees. Promoting our native language is very important but I don't think having Orange is the new Black subtitled as Gaeilge is promoting our language."
or never ending country music specials.. Big Bob O'Toole and The Turf Cuttin Three

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19533 - 14/01/2019 07:32:24    2156983

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Replying To bennybunny:  "It's not being forced on you. TG4 is an Irish medium TV station. They are entitled to bid for the games. It's your choice whether you watch or not. You could, for example, watch TV and listen to radio commentary. Watch without commentary or complain about an Irish language channel broadcasting in Irish! Jesus wept!"
You misunderstand. The Welsh channel has an English commentary option with all its games. Why should I have to put on a radio commentary which may or may not be synchronised with what I'm looking at. Especially as it's being subsidised by taxes from people's wages who don't speak Irish at all.
It's part of the broader debate of cultural compulsion. The evidence is there in the amount of people speaking the language in 2019. What's been done by governments and the geansai brigade for the last 100 years has been nothing short of disastrous. When Fine Gael put out feelers to see if Irish should be non compulsory then people were up in arms..haha. That's Ireland for you.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1142 - 14/01/2019 10:23:54    2157009

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Replying To jimbodub:  "or never ending country music specials.. Big Bob O'Toole and The Turf Cuttin Three"
Just because it's not everyone's taste I wouldn't knock country and western music. I'm from the home of Midwest Radio and not only is Country and Western music popular it creates a lot of jobs in Ireland. American TV shows dubbed or subtitled doesn't do anything for Ireland that I can see.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5413 - 14/01/2019 11:13:47    2157023

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Replying To bloodyban:  "You misunderstand. The Welsh channel has an English commentary option with all its games. Why should I have to put on a radio commentary which may or may not be synchronised with what I'm looking at. Especially as it's being subsidised by taxes from people's wages who don't speak Irish at all.
It's part of the broader debate of cultural compulsion. The evidence is there in the amount of people speaking the language in 2019. What's been done by governments and the geansai brigade for the last 100 years has been nothing short of disastrous. When Fine Gael put out feelers to see if Irish should be non compulsory then people were up in arms..haha. That's Ireland for you."
It's an Irish language tv station . It's coverage of Gaekuc games is comprehensive and very good . Watch the games, enjoy them and stop your self centered moaning . If you don't like what you hear then turn down the tv or change the station .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 4998 - 14/01/2019 11:16:38    2157025

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Replying To bloodyban:  "You misunderstand. The Welsh channel has an English commentary option with all its games. Why should I have to put on a radio commentary which may or may not be synchronised with what I'm looking at. Especially as it's being subsidised by taxes from people's wages who don't speak Irish at all.
It's part of the broader debate of cultural compulsion. The evidence is there in the amount of people speaking the language in 2019. What's been done by governments and the geansai brigade for the last 100 years has been nothing short of disastrous. When Fine Gael put out feelers to see if Irish should be non compulsory then people were up in arms..haha. That's Ireland for you."
Look, your point is some what valid. There are lots of things that tax revenue is spent on. You are compelled to pay some tax (VATetc.). There is almost no way around it. TG4 benefits from those taxes. However, you paying into the tax pool that TG4 receives from entitles you to exactly 0% input in to how it is spent. What you could do is lobby your politician to CUT funding to Irish language projects. You might get a lot of support even. If you get enough support, TG4 may cease to exist. However, until then it is entitled to bid for the games. It has no obligation or mandate to have English commentary. You don't like it. That is fair enough. You are not alone.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3727 - 14/01/2019 12:31:14    2157040

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If RTE had a GAA archive player, a subsciption service to watch every game, documentary and Sunday Game shown by RTE that's still accessible, would it get any interest do we think? Not like a couple of games a week that are only available for three weeks.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5413 - 14/01/2019 13:36:33    2157055

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TG4 still the true home of GAA - unrivaled coverage, nothing like flunking out in front of TV and watching games from across the country especially the ones you can't get to. TG4 really deserve a bigger slice of cake and I like the Live Youtube channel featuring live updates from up to 13 games.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4135 - 14/01/2019 23:36:30    2157185

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Well, assuming you went through the Irish school system, you would have spent 13 years learning the language so not to 'have a clue' is worrying for you. To have no interest is another issue. That is fine obviously . I am no fáinne wearing, more-Irish-than-thou, Celtic Nationaist. I just think their coverage is good so I hope they keep doing what they do."
Look for 50yo in this country it's a bloody long time ago, number 2 the way it was thought made nearly every single one of us despise it, I'm ambivalent to it. I watch it with the commentary turned down. Said it before and will say it again a red button option would be the way to go.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 15/01/2019 08:03:12    2157194

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Winning anything at any level is no qualification as a pundit and I wouldn't be McStay's greatest fan when he talks down to so-called weaker counties and talks about a senior and intermediate championship. He has won provincial medals, has an All Star, played and scored in an All Ireland Final and was a classy player in his pomp. Spillane, O'Rourke and Brolly with their All Irelands are dinosaurs in comparison because they have done very little, bar O'Rourke's time coaching Simonstown, on a club level compared to McStay. They have done pretty much nothing at underage or senio county level. McStay has won a provincial championship and brought Roscommon to the Super 8s and back to Division One. Do you want football pundits to bore you to tears and whinge about why things aren't like the good old days when they won All Irelands? Or listen to a pundit like McStay whose calendar says it's 2019?"
O'Rourke done nothing at underage level. Ahh come on, st pats??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 15/01/2019 08:05:15    2157195

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Replying To bloodyban:  "TG4 have given good service over the years. The elephant in the room is the Irish commentary. Why is there not an English option available to us.? There's an English option on Scottish and Welsh commentary. It's outrageous really that 95% of people watching on tv are being excluded like this even though we pay for it."
That's been my point for years. And I totally agree with you

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 15/01/2019 08:07:09    2157196

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Replying To eoghan6688:  "That would defeat the purpose of TG4, the media and society in general trying to promote the Irish language. Although a lot of the media and society probably have an attitude of "I hope Irish never dies, I'm just too lazy to help keep it alive". As to the merits of having an English option while ignoring politics, is it really that hard to learn basic Irish sporting terminology and get the jist of the commentary and the analysis?"
And that's why the language has been so decimated, because it is forced . No one is asking for a English speaking commentary as number 1 choice. Just behind a red button. It's simole cost effective technology these days. And we pay for it

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 15/01/2019 08:10:31    2157197

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Replying To jimbodub:  "If RTE are showing the same live games as a simulcast with TG4

Expect to see TG4's ratings plummet

Although TG4 don't have to really worry about ratings

They have a big fat budget in place regardless of who's watching. There's an awful lot of public money being spent on what is a very small minority audience.

Having worked in broadcasting my entire adult life. I can tell you that TG4 is a golden ticket job. I've freelanced there and it's bankable income. Regardless of crummy audience figures it's immune to normal pressures."
Paid for by hard pressed tax payers. While homelessness goes up and hospitals keep getting fuller.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 15/01/2019 08:13:00    2157198

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Replying To bloodyban:  "You misunderstand. The Welsh channel has an English commentary option with all its games. Why should I have to put on a radio commentary which may or may not be synchronised with what I'm looking at. Especially as it's being subsidised by taxes from people's wages who don't speak Irish at all.
It's part of the broader debate of cultural compulsion. The evidence is there in the amount of people speaking the language in 2019. What's been done by governments and the geansai brigade for the last 100 years has been nothing short of disastrous. When Fine Gael put out feelers to see if Irish should be non compulsory then people were up in arms..haha. That's Ireland for you."
Well said

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15918 - 15/01/2019 08:14:06    2157199

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So the hard "pressed tax payers" want TG4 to get more tax so they can have additional commentary in English?

Fair enough.

I doubt there is actually very much demand for English commentary on TG4. A few cranks here and there mention it from time to time but the majority of people seem to have no issue with an Irish language station broadcasting in the Irish language.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12580 - 15/01/2019 10:39:53    2157228

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Staggering ignorance of our nations native language.

FallenStar (Galway) - Posts: 216 - 15/01/2019 10:57:13    2157234

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