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Vote: Hand Pass Rule

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I don't understand why people hate the short kick out so much. One of the most exciting games in recent years Dublin Kerry in 2016 was turned to Kerry's as a result of their smart pressing of the kick out.

Seems sometimes that people just don't want tactics in the game at all.

Similarly the hand pass is such an idiotic rule. After Dublin Tyrone in 2017 I think any team would know that they couldn't beat Dublin by sitting back and looking to counter. Now with the new rules maybe that sort of game plan could work again.

Really the whole rules change push is a less important problem to be addressed right now.

Get a better fixture schedule where teams play more matches (a proper league campaign) in the Spring and Summer months and attacking football may be more effective. Counties play more games in February/March than April to September. Club football hits it's stride in October. No wonder teams develop defensive strategies.

Give all teams a decent program of games and less successful counties would have a better chance at retaining players to progress.

Maybe properly implement rules regarding payment of managers and those coaching teams will take more risks without worrying about losing an income. Maybe put in place spending limits on county teams, might level the playing field somewhat and leave more money to go around the clubs.

These would be much more important issues for the powers that be to work on."
I think people dislike the short kick out because it takes away a contest for the ball. Weirdly they tend to be the same people advocating for the mark in the middle of the park which also removes the contest a lot of the time but that's by and by.

I agree with you in general that the structure of the season is of a way higher importance than any rule changes, as well as the issue of the amount of charlatans criss crossing the country taking money away from clubs.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12581 - 15/01/2019 07:58:26    2157192

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I'm not sure if it will work because it may encourage mass defence. But i think it should certainly be trialed properly in the league.

I don't buy the refs have too much to do already argument. If they can't count to 4 then possible they should be somewhere else. On the topic of refs is it not time to stop having linesmen and give each of the 3 officials a zone on the pitch to referee?? Surely it would make it easier all round?

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 966 - 15/01/2019 08:46:25    2157202

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Have not seen a game yet to judge handpass but have rarely read or heard anything positive.

I hope the sin bin is kept and is also introduced urgently for hurling (which needs it more)."
Look at the video on main page from the tyrone derry game!

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 381 - 15/01/2019 09:45:31    2157213

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Replying To achara:  "Look at the video on main page from the tyrone derry game!"
It's actually outrageous, at one stage the ref blew for a foul after one handpass! Absolute joke of a rule

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 938 - 15/01/2019 09:58:44    2157218

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No. Been at 3 games now and seen enough of it. Derry V Tyrone was a joke. The referee forgot about it at completely at times and then lost count on other times and blew it up even though there was a foot pass.
If play is slowed down coming out from the back it favors a defensive set up. You're not going to run at a packed defense if you think the 3 passes won't get you through it and there's no space for foot passing forward.
It adds nothing unless it's combined with having fewer players on the pitch and more space to kick pass into.

RoverTin (Derry) - Posts: 205 - 15/01/2019 10:31:48    2157225

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Replying To RoverTin:  "No. Been at 3 games now and seen enough of it. Derry V Tyrone was a joke. The referee forgot about it at completely at times and then lost count on other times and blew it up even though there was a foot pass.
If play is slowed down coming out from the back it favors a defensive set up. You're not going to run at a packed defense if you think the 3 passes won't get you through it and there's no space for foot passing forward.
It adds nothing unless it's combined with having fewer players on the pitch and more space to kick pass into."
Derry v Tyrone looked a joke. In the referees defense, could the frees have been for a foul throw instead of a hand pass? Seems incredible he could lose count after one!!! In any case I'm not a fan of this rule. It will make it even harder to play through defenses now. The only advantage I can see is that it might give bigger reward for teams that press hard up on the opposition defense and force turnovers, but even that is a stretch.
But until they properly address the tackle and steps rules, they're wasting their time trying to "improve" the game.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1055 - 15/01/2019 12:11:10    2157257

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When will a decision be made as to making these new rules apply to the league?

Or are the in for sure for the league anyway?

Tim_NicebutDim (Monaghan) - Posts: 294 - 15/01/2019 13:10:40    2157287

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "It's actually outrageous, at one stage the ref blew for a foul after one handpass! Absolute joke of a rule"
A ref that makes that mistake......surely u can't land that one at the rule. the ref has to take the blame end of.

That said i am not convinced by the rule but it should get a proper trial.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 966 - 15/01/2019 13:27:34    2157291

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No.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1689 - 15/01/2019 14:05:14    2157302

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A ref that makes that mistake......surely u can't land that one at the rule. the ref has to take the blame end of.

First rule of GAA Club - it is never the refs fault. Even when it is his fault it isn't really. And woe betide anyone who says anything critical of them as you will then feel the wrath of the fraternity and get told to try it yourself. The classic comeback!

I may sound like a broken record over the last 10 or so years but there is absolutely no point in adding new rules to the game until the rules which are in places are correctly and consistently applied by those in charge. Get that right then maybe start and look to see if there are any actual problems which a rule change could fix.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3841 - 15/01/2019 14:12:45    2157305

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Replying To Mayonman:  "I'm not sure if it will work because it may encourage mass defence. But i think it should certainly be trialed properly in the league.

I don't buy the refs have too much to do already argument. If they can't count to 4 then possible they should be somewhere else. On the topic of refs is it not time to stop having linesmen and give each of the 3 officials a zone on the pitch to referee?? Surely it would make it easier all round?"
Colm Keyes was making the point in todays paper that even watching from the stands it's easy to be confused with the number of hand passes. On his count, at the Mayo, Galway game, he said there were eight sequences of four hand passes four of which were picked up by the referee. At the same time, with so much going on, he couldn't be absolutely sure he was right in his count. He also pointed out that referees have to count steps at the same time so it can be a case of, was that three steps and four hand passes or four steps and three hand passes. I'm not a big fan of referees at the best of times, even though they are, unfortunately, a necessary evil, but I think they were struggling already with the rules before this new set were inflicted on them.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1047 - 15/01/2019 14:24:01    2157309

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Colm Keyes was making the point in todays paper that even watching from the stands it's easy to be confused with the number of hand passes. On his count, at the Mayo, Galway game, he said there were eight sequences of four hand passes four of which were picked up by the referee. At the same time, with so much going on, he couldn't be absolutely sure he was right in his count. He also pointed out that referees have to count steps at the same time so it can be a case of, was that three steps and four hand passes or four steps and three hand passes. I'm not a big fan of referees at the best of times, even though they are, unfortunately, a necessary evil, but I think they were struggling already with the rules before this new set were inflicted on them."
Are we are going to scrap every rule that the refs don't get 100% right????

I agree some were struggling but the referees's group said they have no issue. Surely this is a case of training the refs. I'm not sure I am in favour of the rule but this is not a valid reason to abandon the trial.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 966 - 16/01/2019 15:33:52    2157591

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Are we are going to scrap every rule that the refs don't get 100% right????

I agree some were struggling but the referees's group said they have no issue. Surely this is a case of training the refs. I'm not sure I am in favour of the rule but this is not a valid reason to abandon the trial."
What refs say they can manage and what they can actually manage are 2 separate things. If it's not working out in practice because refs actually can't handle it then it should be scrapped.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2602 - 16/01/2019 16:38:49    2157607

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Lets see how the league goes, but people won;t wait everything will be ditched whether they work or not. The only opinion that matters in the GAA is public opinion which is why the game is fast becoming a dogs dinner.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4137 - 16/01/2019 17:17:49    2157610

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No.
Because it forces a kick just for the sake of it at a particular moment.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4172 - 16/01/2019 19:41:22    2157632

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Replying To arock:  "Lets see how the league goes, but people won;t wait everything will be ditched whether they work or not. The only opinion that matters in the GAA is public opinion which is why the game is fast becoming a dogs dinner."
Nonsense. It is a dreadful rule, not everything is scrapped or did the black card and mark pass you by? The handpass rule is an embarrassment.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6381 - 17/01/2019 09:51:10    2157696

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Cant wait for it now lads, instead of handpassing it over and back like lads mining for coal, we will see some dilly dilly 5 yard sensational footpasses over and back in the 72nd minute while a team are a point ahead. WHAT a load of tripe our game has become

WaitingInTheLongGrass (Roscommon) - Posts: 165 - 17/01/2019 10:13:05    2157699

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Replying To arock:  "Lets see how the league goes, but people won;t wait everything will be ditched whether they work or not. The only opinion that matters in the GAA is public opinion which is why the game is fast becoming a dogs dinner."
The league is the biggest competition of the year for an awful lot of counties.....99% of people involved or watching the game say it's a terrible rule. Let's not just see how it goes in such an important competition

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 339 - 17/01/2019 10:38:17    2157710

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Happy to read the news

They tried it. It just didn't work.

The vast majority of GAA people didn't want to see it introduced into the leagues.

Thankfully now it won't be.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19542 - 19/01/2019 14:15:52    2158197

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Happy to read the news

They tried it. It just didn't work.

The vast majority of GAA people didn't want to see it introduced into the leagues.

Thankfully now it won't be."
It lost 23-25 that's hardly vast.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9364 - 19/01/2019 19:37:03    2158271

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