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Replying To tomhealycork:  "Here's a few I came across in this mornings papers -

Kerry Dublin 11,982
Mayo Cavan 9,749
Tipp Donegal 1,403
Clare Cork 1,182
Waterford Derry 233"
7,089 at the Harty Cup Final between Midleton CBS v CBC Cork, that's a huge crowd for a Secondary Schools Final! Alot of inter county matches wouldn't get that crowd!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2192 - 16/02/2019 18:21:20    2165746

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Replying To alano12:  "all you need is a good bandwagon to get going and football will be drawing big crowds again..championship just very flat last year..."
In Munster there's no chance of that. Limerick, Clare, Waterford, Tipp and Cork fans will always choose to support hurling instead of football because it's more exciting to watch and more competitive.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 17/02/2019 13:57:59    2165865

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7,089 at the Harty Cup Final between Midleton CBS v CBC Cork, that's a huge crowd for a Secondary Schools Final! Alot of inter county matches wouldn't get that crowd!!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 233 - 2/16/19 6:21:20 PM1st all cork final in years and CBC well used to bringing thousands to big games though obviously mainly rugby before this.

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 17/02/2019 14:35:18    2165868

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6983 in Pearse Stadium for Galway vs Dublin NHL

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 17/02/2019 15:26:42    2165873

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7k at that schools match and then 4k at the Cork hurling match later that day.

7k in salthill for Galway v Dublin is decent but 11,300 in Nowlan Park for Limerick v Kilkenny is superb. I've a feeling Limericks attendances in Munster will be big this year. They were already good last year.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 17/02/2019 15:33:52    2165875

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "Here's a few I came across in this mornings papers -

Kerry Dublin 11,982
Mayo Cavan 9,749
Tipp Donegal 1,403
Clare Cork 1,182
Waterford Derry 233"
There was a large crowd in navan last weekend.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/02/2019 15:40:50    2165876

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I'm still baffled how there was over 7,000 at a schools match.....are schools gone that big now? Fair play to them for such huge support!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2192 - 17/02/2019 16:04:51    2165881

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let's have some positivity about our great Gaelic games. There was some great matches this weekend. Last night in Pairc Ui Rinn, Cork V Clare was great. As an aside, the League of Ireland soccer league is now using the hashtag #greatest league in the world. We should be saying- Gaelic football- one of greatest field games in World. Slán

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 17/02/2019 16:51:37    2165893

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Replying To katser:  "I'm still baffled how there was over 7,000 at a schools match.....are schools gone that big now? Fair play to them for such huge support!"
some crowd all right, it was a double header but still a great crowd

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2136 - 17/02/2019 21:54:53    2165997

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I'm still baffled how there was over 7,000 at a schools match.....are schools gone that big now? Fair play to them for such huge support!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 236 - 2/17/19 4:04:51 PM schools GAA/Rugby/(Cant comment on Schools Soccer) always get huge crowds attending.
Rugby in Leinster can get 3000/4000 sometimes more for early round games and can get 10000+ for Final
Ulster same.
The schools will bring nearly all their pupils, then add in parents, past pupils etc. kids from other schools competing
Easy to see the support.
Schools will have 400/500 pupils on average if majority go add in all above then yeah 7000 isnt baffling

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 17/02/2019 22:06:26    2165999

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Replying To DonaldDuck:  "I'm still baffled how there was over 7,000 at a schools match.....are schools gone that big now? Fair play to them for such huge support!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 236 - 2/17/19 4:04:51 PM schools GAA/Rugby/(Cant comment on Schools Soccer) always get huge crowds attending.
Rugby in Leinster can get 3000/4000 sometimes more for early round games and can get 10000+ for Final
Ulster same.
The schools will bring nearly all their pupils, then add in parents, past pupils etc. kids from other schools competing
Easy to see the support.
Schools will have 400/500 pupils on average if majority go add in all above then yeah 7000 isnt baffling"
Good man thanks for the info.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2192 - 17/02/2019 22:36:25    2166015

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Attendances for this week
Kilkenny v Limerick 11283
Galway v Dublin 6983
Cork v Clare 4,737
Dr Crokes v Mullinaghta 4,064
Corofin v Gaoth Dobhair 5,190
Harty Cup Final 7,089

SlipperyDodger (Cork) - Posts: 93 - 18/02/2019 02:39:18    2166036

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Upwards of 4000 from limerick in Kilkenny yesterday which is great to see , believe it was on in most bars in limerick yesterday too with a lot off nterest seeing as no rugby or soccer of nite on the box .
Next week Limerick v Cork be interesting , 8500 at Limerick v tipp the same time as Ireland England . Next Sunday on same time as Ireland Italy but should be 10K there regardless .

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 671 - 18/02/2019 08:40:38    2166043

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Replying To SlipperyDodger:  "Attendances for this week
Kilkenny v Limerick 11283
Galway v Dublin 6983
Cork v Clare 4,737
Dr Crokes v Mullinaghta 4,064
Corofin v Gaoth Dobhair 5,190
Harty Cup Final 7,089"
Wexford Tipp 6,700

Surprisingly small crowd at Cork Clare (4,737), maybe the Harty took from it a bit. Surprising that a competitive hurling match drew little more than half the crowd that went to a sold out Musgrave park where Munster won another very predictable snooze fest.

That's not anti rugby, it's anti boring games, Cork gets the crap Munster games which are all well over by halftime. Fair play to the Munster branch, they keep managing to sell them out regardless. If the Cork county board didn't know everything already you'd nearly suggest the take a leaf out of the old munster branch book!

If Cork pull off an unlikely win over Limerick next week hopefully there will be a big crowd for the last home game against Tipp

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 80 - 18/02/2019 10:00:45    2166066

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "Wexford Tipp 6,700

Surprisingly small crowd at Cork Clare (4,737), maybe the Harty took from it a bit. Surprising that a competitive hurling match drew little more than half the crowd that went to a sold out Musgrave park where Munster won another very predictable snooze fest.

That's not anti rugby, it's anti boring games, Cork gets the crap Munster games which are all well over by halftime. Fair play to the Munster branch, they keep managing to sell them out regardless. If the Cork county board didn't know everything already you'd nearly suggest the take a leaf out of the old munster branch book!

If Cork pull off an unlikely win over Limerick next week hopefully there will be a big crowd for the last home game against Tipp"
Maybe the crowd was not great, but the match was. Cork V Clare was a gripping affair. It went right down to the wire. Great skill, great scores and great passing. It looked really good on TV too.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 18/02/2019 10:35:13    2166076

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "Wexford Tipp 6,700

Surprisingly small crowd at Cork Clare (4,737), maybe the Harty took from it a bit. Surprising that a competitive hurling match drew little more than half the crowd that went to a sold out Musgrave park where Munster won another very predictable snooze fest.

That's not anti rugby, it's anti boring games, Cork gets the crap Munster games which are all well over by halftime. Fair play to the Munster branch, they keep managing to sell them out regardless. If the Cork county board didn't know everything already you'd nearly suggest the take a leaf out of the old munster branch book!

If Cork pull off an unlikely win over Limerick next week hopefully there will be a big crowd for the last home game against Tipp"
"....a competitive hurling match....." With no promotion or relegation, there is no such thing as a "competitive" hurling match in the league this year no matter how keenly contested some of the games turn out to be. In the overall scheme of things, it doesn't matter a whit whether your county team wins or loses. The exception is for counties like Laois/Offaly/Carlow for whom winning and losing is huge. Given all that, crowds have been remarkably good this year in the hurling league, probably due to the amount of patrons who are season ticket holders. Galway are reported to have sold out their allocation of hurling season tickets this year which certainly accounts for a much bigger following we are bringing to away matches. We had a noticeably large following at our away match in Carlow which wouldn't normally be the case.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 18/02/2019 11:34:12    2166090

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  ""....a competitive hurling match....." With no promotion or relegation, there is no such thing as a "competitive" hurling match in the league this year no matter how keenly contested some of the games turn out to be. In the overall scheme of things, it doesn't matter a whit whether your county team wins or loses. The exception is for counties like Laois/Offaly/Carlow for whom winning and losing is huge. Given all that, crowds have been remarkably good this year in the hurling league, probably due to the amount of patrons who are season ticket holders. Galway are reported to have sold out their allocation of hurling season tickets this year which certainly accounts for a much bigger following we are bringing to away matches. We had a noticeably large following at our away match in Carlow which wouldn't normally be the case."
It was still competitive, you don't need relegation to make it competitive. There is no relegation in the Pro14 rugby either, any season in fact.

These were 2 well matched teams who both really wanted to win. It was there and there was a good edge to it. 5 league games isn't a lot to get your house in order. Cork in particular could do with games to sort things out and I'm sure both teams wanted would like to qualify for the quarter finals. Plenty there to make it competitive and it certainly was.

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 80 - 18/02/2019 11:53:07    2166097

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "It was still competitive, you don't need relegation to make it competitive. There is no relegation in the Pro14 rugby either, any season in fact.

These were 2 well matched teams who both really wanted to win. It was there and there was a good edge to it. 5 league games isn't a lot to get your house in order. Cork in particular could do with games to sort things out and I'm sure both teams wanted would like to qualify for the quarter finals. Plenty there to make it competitive and it certainly was."
It depends how you look at it. For the most part, games are being keenly contested, mainly because new players are trying to impress and because of local/ traditional rivalries. For instance, teams in Munster won't concede an inch to each other and it would be the same if it was a charity match for the opening of a pitch or something of real importance. They'll like to think they'll gain some kind of small psychological edge for the summer by winning, even if they know that there isn't really one. But does the result matter? Not at all!

The Pro-14 rugby comparison doesn't stand because it is a professional game and they have to hype it up in order to keep the money flowing because careers and teams depend on it. I presume the financial dividends are structured similar to the way they are in the English Premiership....the higher up the league a team finishes the more money they earn...11th earns more than 12th etc. So the incentive to be competitive is real and it doesn't matter that there's no promotion/relegation.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 18/02/2019 13:09:16    2166120

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "It depends how you look at it. For the most part, games are being keenly contested, mainly because new players are trying to impress and because of local/ traditional rivalries. For instance, teams in Munster won't concede an inch to each other and it would be the same if it was a charity match for the opening of a pitch or something of real importance. They'll like to think they'll gain some kind of small psychological edge for the summer by winning, even if they know that there isn't really one. But does the result matter? Not at all!

The Pro-14 rugby comparison doesn't stand because it is a professional game and they have to hype it up in order to keep the money flowing because careers and teams depend on it. I presume the financial dividends are structured similar to the way they are in the English Premiership....the higher up the league a team finishes the more money they earn...11th earns more than 12th etc. So the incentive to be competitive is real and it doesn't matter that there's no promotion/relegation."
There is no such thing as "11th earns more than 12th" in the Pro14, money is distributed through the unions. Hence all the 2nd / 3rd strings you see. There may not be relegation (this year only) but division 1A hurling is a million times more competitive than the Pro14 rugby. My son is a big Munster fan and I often along with him. Games down in Cork are usually very one sided and uncompetitive. Munster have won their 3 games down here by an average of 36 points! This is no aberration last years stat is similar.

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 80 - 18/02/2019 18:30:37    2166205

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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "! The Pro-14 rugby comparison doesn't stand because it is a professional game and they have to hype it up in order to keep the money flowing because careers and teams depend on it."

That is nonsense, of course Tom's point stands us and does so very well. Professional or amateur has nothing to do with it. Tom's stats are also correct. In fact Munster won all their Cork games handily last year too by an average of 25 points or so too. The fact the guys on the pitch get paid doesn't make it any more entertaining for Johnny to get off his couch to watch a nonevent in winter. Yet they manage to sell out Independent park week for all fixtures.

There is of course something to be learned from this. Musgrave seems to be full of kids. How are they encouraging the kids to come? Nemo, Blackrock, Bishopstown, Douglas, Glen Rovers just to name a few clubs have hundreds of kids every Saturday morning. Should their parents be getting discount vouchers for buy tickets so they can bring their kids (who are already free) ? Why not?

Also if you doubt the competitiveness of GAA league fixtures, just read any GAA autobiography, Davy Fitz, Jackie Tyrrell or Jimmy McGuinness for example, they really want to win these games.

dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 336 - 19/02/2019 09:50:21    2166288

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