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Seamus Darby Goal - Poor Goalkeeping?

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having watched players of the faithful recently,and watched the goal a few times since,i think it was very poor goalkeeping.
it wasnt a rasper of a shot by any means.
while it is undoubtedly the most famous goal in gaa history,if cluxton let it in next year to deny dublin 5-in-a-row,i would say dublin supporters would consider it very poor keeping.
and that is by no means to po-poo on the goal,nobody has ever scored one like it since one of the kildare goals in 1919......

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 09/01/2019 15:01:21    2156263

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Replying To perfect10:  "having watched players of the faithful recently,and watched the goal a few times since,i think it was very poor goalkeeping.
it wasnt a rasper of a shot by any means.
while it is undoubtedly the most famous goal in gaa history,if cluxton let it in next year to deny dublin 5-in-a-row,i would say dublin supporters would consider it very poor keeping.
and that is by no means to po-poo on the goal,nobody has ever scored one like it since one of the kildare goals in 1919......"
How can you not call the only goal of its kind in 100 years, in your own words, a rasper of a shot?

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 09/01/2019 15:09:40    2156266

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Replying To perfect10:  "having watched players of the faithful recently,and watched the goal a few times since,i think it was very poor goalkeeping.
it wasnt a rasper of a shot by any means.
while it is undoubtedly the most famous goal in gaa history,if cluxton let it in next year to deny dublin 5-in-a-row,i would say dublin supporters would consider it very poor keeping.
and that is by no means to po-poo on the goal,nobody has ever scored one like it since one of the kildare goals in 1919......"
Id be blaming the back a lot more than the goalie myself - 2 points in it with no time left and he lets Darby go in behind him? Cant be at that lad. And the Kerry fans crying about the foul - if he had just stood in behind him they wouldve had their 5. Id say Micko gave him a fair yelling at after

WaitingInTheLongGrass (Roscommon) - Posts: 165 - 09/01/2019 15:11:15    2156268

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How on earth is it bad goal keeping? its looped over him and while he dives at full stretch he gets nowhere near it... What more could he have done...

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 541 - 09/01/2019 15:15:07    2156269

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Replying To perfect10:  "having watched players of the faithful recently,and watched the goal a few times since,i think it was very poor goalkeeping.
it wasnt a rasper of a shot by any means.
while it is undoubtedly the most famous goal in gaa history,if cluxton let it in next year to deny dublin 5-in-a-row,i would say dublin supporters would consider it very poor keeping.
and that is by no means to po-poo on the goal,nobody has ever scored one like it since one of the kildare goals in 1919......"
It's probably a combo of things, no block on the kicker or even pressure, the back got himself in a terrible position, the keeper was off his line but to lay blame there would be harsh as a lot went wrong before it.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1596 - 09/01/2019 15:27:40    2156270

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "It's probably a combo of things, no block on the kicker or even pressure, the back got himself in a terrible position, the keeper was off his line but to lay blame there would be harsh as a lot went wrong before it."
I looked at it over and over again too in slow motion, firstly, Tommy Doyle jumped too early, and his feet had landed back on the ground just as the ball came over him (he wasn't pushed/nudged as some say - not you I know) secondly Seamus Darby got a super catch, and turn, and if you look at it again, the ball comes off the high part of his foot (the boot laces I suppose one would say) and the connection for that part of the foot was unusually good and firm and accurate, as I said to someone watching it, if you watch the ball leaving his foot, if it went into row Z I wouldn't have been surprised, but it didn't and it went across the keeper, a hard shot to stop...it was just everything, from the jump to early by Doyle (even if he hadn't won it and came down contesting it - but he was left for dead as he had to turn) to the way it left Darbys foot and the angle...rarely and in such circumstances will all things combine..thats the reason its so famous I suppose..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 09/01/2019 16:24:27    2156279

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I looked at it over and over again too in slow motion, firstly, Tommy Doyle jumped too early, and his feet had landed back on the ground just as the ball came over him (he wasn't pushed/nudged as some say - not you I know) secondly Seamus Darby got a super catch, and turn, and if you look at it again, the ball comes off the high part of his foot (the boot laces I suppose one would say) and the connection for that part of the foot was unusually good and firm and accurate, as I said to someone watching it, if you watch the ball leaving his foot, if it went into row Z I wouldn't have been surprised, but it didn't and it went across the keeper, a hard shot to stop...it was just everything, from the jump to early by Doyle (even if he hadn't won it and came down contesting it - but he was left for dead as he had to turn) to the way it left Darbys foot and the angle...rarely and in such circumstances will all things combine..thats the reason its so famous I suppose.."
Come on .....I was in the old Nally that day....Darby gave Doyle just the slightest of pushes and since Doyle was so extended in his jump it was enough.

Lovely piece of skill by Darby

The rest as they say was history and as a Dub left the ground a happy man

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 09/01/2019 16:31:44    2156280

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Poor goalkeeping never crossed my mind when watching that goal. There was a slight nudge in the back of Tommy Doyle but maybe not enough to award the foul. The main fault was being on the wrong side of Darby when the ball was kicked it. As for cluxton never letting in such an effort I think a free out would have been given in any dubs games in recent years so he wouldn't have bothered trying to save it.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 09/01/2019 16:43:44    2156283

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "Poor goalkeeping never crossed my mind when watching that goal. There was a slight nudge in the back of Tommy Doyle but maybe not enough to award the foul. The main fault was being on the wrong side of Darby when the ball was kicked it. As for cluxton never letting in such an effort I think a free out would have been given in any dubs games in recent years so he wouldn't have bothered trying to save it."
I wouldn't have expected any other response from a Kerry man who knows quite well this Dublin team will do what no other team before them has done and that is to win the 5 in a row, getting the digs in early! Sad!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 09/01/2019 17:33:07    2156289

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I think the same thing about pretty much every goal pre-1990ish

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12122 - 09/01/2019 18:18:46    2156295

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What could Charlie Nelligan have done better to save it?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 09/01/2019 18:39:39    2156297

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A lot of factors combined leading to that goal. Seamus Darby replaced right half forward, John Guinan who was being marked by Tommy Doyle. Shortly after coming on Seamus D slipped into his natural position, I.e. corner forward in a straight swap with Brendan Lowry but Tommy Doyle followed Darby into the corner. Now we had a situation where a natural predator was being marked by an attacking halfback and really it all favoured the man in his natural position and Seamus Darby finished clinically with a looping chip over the goalkeeper. If Charley Nelligan has to take some of the blame so must team management. Though I will probably be sentenced to death in Kerry for making such a statement.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 09/01/2019 19:34:31    2156299

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Have to totally disagree with you here, Charlie was an outstanding keeper, came on in 76 and played his last game in 91 vs Down. I think the blame for want of better word goes more on the outside unit but actually the forwards, we went defending too early, both midfielders, even Mikey Sheehy was in defence late on which invited offlaly on us. It was as O'Hehir said a high dropping ball, wet, Tommy Doyle a natural half back in a corner back position, wrong side of the ball and man exposed and just a shot to nothing that dipped under the bar. If Liston, Sheehy or Egan had the last chance and not a rookie in Tom Spillane then maybe with a bit of composure an equalizer could have been worked.

But it is what it is, put it this way if Jimmy Denihan was fit and playing at corner back there would have been no goal.

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 09/01/2019 21:47:24    2156315

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You're right about Denihan horse but Darby used his body the way a forward should and the shot was unstoppable. Nelligan was anticipating a breaking ball, but had the angles covered and only that type of shot was getting by him.
Today there'd be numerous defenders waiting to smother Darby and he would not have got that shot in.
Anyway it's folklore and sport thrives on it. We have a long way to go to beat your record and I'm putting no money down.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 10/01/2019 00:54:22    2156332

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With 10 minutes to go and Kerry 4 points up, Kerry were awarded a penalty. Mickey Sheehy took it and struck it poorly, an easy enough shot for Martin Furlong to save. That gave Offaly great encouragement and left Kerry vulnerable - both instances - the penalty and the S Darby goal were the defining moments of that final. As a neutral I was happy for the underdog and happy that one county wouldn't have total monopoly on the All Ireland. In the likely event that Dublin will be going for a 5th final in a row this year most neutrals I imagine will be going for the underdog again.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1823 - 10/01/2019 09:33:46    2156345

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Kerry were 0-17 to 0-13 going into the last ten minutes and the game looked over. A couple of soft frees kept Offaly in it but Kerry had only themselves to blame that they did not close out the win. The last 10 minutes in 2011 were similar if not as dramatic as Kerry looked to be on the way to a win with a 4 point lead.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 10/01/2019 09:59:19    2156348

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Be a bit unfair to say poor goalkeeping, but looking at the video above was Charlie Nelligan a small man or was the goal a different size back then?

I think as people said above, it is a combination of factors. Poor goalkeeping, tactics, etc although I wasn't even born myself!

We have a long way to go to beat your record and I'm putting no money down.
realdub (Dublin)

Its not just Kerry's record... ;)

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1737 - 10/01/2019 10:32:57    2156356

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Replying To Byanthon:  "Kerry were 0-17 to 0-13 going into the last ten minutes and the game looked over. A couple of soft frees kept Offaly in it but Kerry had only themselves to blame that they did not close out the win. The last 10 minutes in 2011 were similar if not as dramatic as Kerry looked to be on the way to a win with a 4 point lead."
Good call about 2011 and we are still living with its legacy. 1982 is now a footnote in history as Kerry's greatest side ever were stopped from winning an unprecedented 5-in-a-row.

I would argue that 2011 had a far bigger impact with regards the course Gaelic football has now taken. The psychological release from Kerry's chokehold over Dublin simply cannot be unestimated and Dublin now stands on the brink of football immortality. Dublin should win the 5-in-row from this position and it's quite possible that within the next 20 years or sooner Dublin will overtake Kerry as the clear market leaders in the overall roll of honour for senior titles won. Shattering that glass ceiling against Kerry in 2011 made all the difference, a massive result for Dublin that has and will reverberate for years to come.

Kingdomson (Kerry) - Posts: 244 - 10/01/2019 11:27:28    2156364

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Replying To Kingdomson:  "Good call about 2011 and we are still living with its legacy. 1982 is now a footnote in history as Kerry's greatest side ever were stopped from winning an unprecedented 5-in-a-row.

I would argue that 2011 had a far bigger impact with regards the course Gaelic football has now taken. The psychological release from Kerry's chokehold over Dublin simply cannot be unestimated and Dublin now stands on the brink of football immortality. Dublin should win the 5-in-row from this position and it's quite possible that within the next 20 years or sooner Dublin will overtake Kerry as the clear market leaders in the overall roll of honour for senior titles won. Shattering that glass ceiling against Kerry in 2011 made all the difference, a massive result for Dublin that has and will reverberate for years to come."
Possibly, when you think of it sure how can any small rural county, even one with Kerry's tradition and legacy in the game, stand up against this modern, near professional juggernaut that has access to a 20 million kitty that Bertie and Croke Park provided them with. For all the money that's been pumped in over the last few years anything less than a 7 or 8 in a row will be a failure IMO.

Ah well, sure we'll keep fighting the good fight anyway against their reign of tyranny :D

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 10/01/2019 11:50:02    2156366

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Replying To Kingdomson:  "Good call about 2011 and we are still living with its legacy. 1982 is now a footnote in history as Kerry's greatest side ever were stopped from winning an unprecedented 5-in-a-row.

I would argue that 2011 had a far bigger impact with regards the course Gaelic football has now taken. The psychological release from Kerry's chokehold over Dublin simply cannot be unestimated and Dublin now stands on the brink of football immortality. Dublin should win the 5-in-row from this position and it's quite possible that within the next 20 years or sooner Dublin will overtake Kerry as the clear market leaders in the overall roll of honour for senior titles won. Shattering that glass ceiling against Kerry in 2011 made all the difference, a massive result for Dublin that has and will reverberate for years to come."
Fair analysis that. Don't know if you listen to Hill16 podcasts but before Christmas the discussion was that if we hit the 5 in a row we can relax a bit as this Dublin team will be considered the greatest team ever.

Then we need to set out and hunt down the most All-Irelands

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 10/01/2019 12:25:33    2156378

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