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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "That makes too much sense for the politicians my friend. We had a lad down this neck of the words with a bit of a shout for a few years but he wouldn't or couldn't do anything about bringing jobs out of the cities. On the one hand you hear of all the homeless in Dublin and in the next breath they will broadcast another eight hundred jobs coming to the capitol. It's not as if there is a need to bring the multinationals to every small town and village but I'd imagine your company in Donegal is providing work for young people from the likes of Killybegs, Ballyshannon, Bundoran, Ballybofey etc. and not just Donegal town. I think the decision was made long ago, as KingdomBoy said, to turn the west and north into a heavily forested retreat for wealthy tourists to fish and hunt. You'll need the the odd local to service the lodges and one or two farmers, with a thousand acres each, to provide the food. If there was any intent to save rural Ireland it would have been acted upon long ago, instead of the same old long term plans that are wheeled out every now and again before being returned to their dusty shelves. It really is inevitable that the smaller clubs will amalgamate as the amount of lads in their twenties leaving, and not coming back, is scary. When my own young lad was in his teens he was part of a group of seven or eight friends who played for the local club, went to away Mayo matches and generally hung out together. Ten years on, only one of them lives in the area and he works in Galway." Too true my friend. We'd have employees from all over Donegal, from Kilcar to Gaoth Dobhair, Letterkenny to Inis Eoghain. Lots of people teleworking as well. I'm sure Abbott are the same, they're actually expanding at the moment in their plant in Donegal Town. A friend of mine who lives there recently told me that it's nearly impossible to get a house in Donegal Town to rent at the moment. It means people are moving to and renting in smaller surrounding towns bringing much needed vitality and commerce to the area.
If more was done similarly throughout the country I think rural Ireland could be salvaged. Let's face it, we rely on big companies coming here because of the low corporate tax rate. A lot of them probably dictate that they want to base themselves in Dublin because for convenience. But if the government did more to make the rural Ireland more attractive then everyone would reap the benefits.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 19/12/2018 09:29:19
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "That makes too much sense for the politicians my friend. We had a lad down this neck of the words with a bit of a shout for a few years but he wouldn't or couldn't do anything about bringing jobs out of the cities. On the one hand you hear of all the homeless in Dublin and in the next breath they will broadcast another eight hundred jobs coming to the capitol. It's not as if there is a need to bring the multinationals to every small town and village but I'd imagine your company in Donegal is providing work for young people from the likes of Killybegs, Ballyshannon, Bundoran, Ballybofey etc. and not just Donegal town. I think the decision was made long ago, as KingdomBoy said, to turn the west and north into a heavily forested retreat for wealthy tourists to fish and hunt. You'll need the the odd local to service the lodges and one or two farmers, with a thousand acres each, to provide the food. If there was any intent to save rural Ireland it would have been acted upon long ago, instead of the same old long term plans that are wheeled out every now and again before being returned to their dusty shelves. It really is inevitable that the smaller clubs will amalgamate as the amount of lads in their twenties leaving, and not coming back, is scary. When my own young lad was in his teens he was part of a group of seven or eight friends who played for the local club, went to away Mayo matches and generally hung out together. Ten years on, only one of them lives in the area and he works in Galway." Well said. We get the "ah sure you can't have everything on your doorstep" or "multinationals don't want to locate in the middle of nowhere" jibs...total rubbish.
Look at Allergan in Westport.....41 years there emptying over 1,200 with plans to expand and over 3 billion revenue. That factory keeps Westport and indeed mayo going along with Baxter, Hollister, Coca Cola etc...if those companies never came west I shudder to think of our situation.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 19/12/2018 14:45:55
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The big problem for the future of the factory towns that you mention (and a lot more like them) is that the increasing digitization of manufacturing will make millions of jobs all over the world redundant. Robots and machine-to-machine processes will do the jobs that the blue collar workers currently do in Baxter, Hollister, Allergan or wherever.
If you look at driverless cars, for instance, these will destroy so many job sectors that we have at present- public transport driving, driver's instruction, chauffering and taxiing, haulage etc.
White collar employment will also suffer, in terms of fintech and increasing automation of managerial functions.
When this happens, the implications for the GAA will be the least of our worries as a society.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 19/12/2018 16:16:33
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If you look at driverless cars, for instance, these will destroy so many job sectors that we have at present- public transport driving, driver's instruction, chauffering and taxiing, haulage etc.
White collar employment will also suffer, in terms of fintech and increasing automation of managerial functions.
When this happens, the implications for the GAA will be the least of our worries as a society.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 1547 - 19/12/2018 16:16:33 Driverless cars on a large mass produced scale are a long way off considering how some of the experiments with driverless cars have went.
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 20/12/2018 10:30:31
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The GAA isn't whats keeping rural Ireland alive, it's the people who keep rural Ireland alive. The farmers, the local post masters, the local shop keeper. The GAA only serves as a meeting point for people. I would say it's the reverse, without people there would be no GAA.
Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 761 - 18/12/2018 21:24:56 The GAA is part of the reasons keeping "rural ireland" alive. I work on a work scheme in a local GAA club 20 hours a week and even now when there hasnt been a match played by the club in over 2 months the grounds are still a hive of activity between the club gym, card games, yoga classes and what ever else is on in the club.
Yes its people but the GAA are part of the ties
Replying To bloodyban: "The GAA should stick to hurling and football . That's enough culture. The Irish language usually ends up as a political football cynically used by republicans. Remember the GAA is a broad church and not a republican organisation"
Rugby in particular is used by Unionists as a political football too. The use of "Ireland's call" without a line of Irish, the use of the "British lions" team and so on. Football is a divided game on this island. So it is not the same.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1317 - 18/12/2018 21:26:56Your attitudes are so horrible galwayford.
The Lions are British and Irish.
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 20/12/2018 10:36:47
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Replying To Gleebo: "The big problem for the future of the factory towns that you mention (and a lot more like them) is that the increasing digitization of manufacturing will make millions of jobs all over the world redundant. Robots and machine-to-machine processes will do the jobs that the blue collar workers currently do in Baxter, Hollister, Allergan or wherever.
If you look at driverless cars, for instance, these will destroy so many job sectors that we have at present- public transport driving, driver's instruction, chauffering and taxiing, haulage etc.
White collar employment will also suffer, in terms of fintech and increasing automation of managerial functions.
When this happens, the implications for the GAA will be the least of our worries as a society." For sure. I've been involved in some RPA, machine learning and AI stuff at work and the potential is astonishing and ominous in equal measure. It's vital that, not just Ireland, but humanity harnesses it properly and gets creative with alternative job creation when traditional jobs are consumed by new technology.
When the industrial revolution occurred it led to an often exploited working class. With the rise in automation and AI, it could lead to something worse - an irrelevant class. Some critical thinking needed in the months and years ahead.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 20/12/2018 10:47:37
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We can plan for what impact technology will have on employment, social interaction etc. Mad to look at how people interact on social media, surely less face to face social meetups. Even when people do meetup they spend too much time on their phones interacting with people they're not meeting! Technology has plenty of benefits though and allows people to work remotely in the countryside with a better and cheaper way of life to living in cities. Some of the technology innovations in agrigulture are fascinating to me too. And in rural locations we can create some technology opportunities on a smaller scale.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7336 - 21/12/2018 03:18:41
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Replying To yew_tree: "Well said. We get the "ah sure you can't have everything on your doorstep" or "multinationals don't want to locate in the middle of nowhere" jibs...total rubbish.
Look at Allergan in Westport.....41 years there emptying over 1,200 with plans to expand and over 3 billion revenue. That factory keeps Westport and indeed mayo going along with Baxter, Hollister, Coca Cola etc...if those companies never came west I shudder to think of our situation." didn't one of the big internet firms look at setting up in Athenry and an Taisce or someone objected and in the end they shelved the plans.
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Replying To GreenandRed: "We can plan for what impact technology will have on employment, social interaction etc. Mad to look at how people interact on social media, surely less face to face social meetups. Even when people do meetup they spend too much time on their phones interacting with people they're not meeting! Technology has plenty of benefits though and allows people to work remotely in the countryside with a better and cheaper way of life to living in cities. Some of the technology innovations in agrigulture are fascinating to me too. And in rural locations we can create some technology opportunities on a smaller scale." Yeah I think that will be the key. People fear change and it's definitely true that our relationship with technology needs looking at. I see my three year old daughter navigating YouTube easily for example. I don't think that's going to be beneficial to her. Like everything in life it will be establishing a happy medium I suppose.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 21/12/2018 11:04:53
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Replying To Rosineri1: "didn't one of the big internet firms look at setting up in Athenry and an Taisce or someone objected and in the end they shelved the plans." If you're talking about the Apple Data centre you're half right. All government bodies were for it, but a few interferers both local and from around the country kept objecting and appealing and forcing court reviews until the plans were shelved.
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