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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I have no question to answer, I wasn't the one who said there are loads of better options. And the best you can do is throw out O Brien and Cunningham, the latter whose stock has dropped considerably.

I am not batting for O Rourke but the amount of people who say there are loads of options when jobs become available is unreal, Mayo would be considered one of the top jobs in the country but when it came down to it the only realistic option was Horan."
If you read back you can see he said Roscommon can do better and not that we had a load of better options. Which is true considering O'Rourke struggled to put together a management team and the best part of that management Mike McGurn wasn't going to be full time with us.

Mayo might be one of the top job but it also happens to be one of the highest pressured jobs around. How many counties would have a manager replaced so soon after leading them to All Ireland finals? Horan like Maughan and Johno before him was always going to return and once he threw his cap into the ring it was pointless for anyone else going for the job which why Solan pulled out.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3761 - 27/10/2018 12:49:29    2148418

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Realistically the Roscommon job is a huge challenge for anyone. There heading into Div 1 and most likely will not win a single game and if they put huge effort into league then there screwed come championship time. They might beat Leitrim and then it's back door for them.
Problem number 2 talking to Roscommon folk is that the players have too much say in matters and are hard to work with. My choice would be F O Donnel. County board need to work something out soon as any manager would want to be getting started for 2019.

Crossgaa (Mayo) - Posts: 553 - 27/10/2018 12:52:50    2148419

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Yes TheFlaker in the future might fully read a post before replying. As for stock falling well Aidan O'Rourke had little or none in management and he didn't even stick around with his own county Armagh as he left their seniors after one year and did likewise with the county minors. To repeat Roscommon can do so much better than him.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 27/10/2018 13:35:28    2148422

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Replying To Crossgaa:  "Realistically the Roscommon job is a huge challenge for anyone. There heading into Div 1 and most likely will not win a single game and if they put huge effort into league then there screwed come championship time. They might beat Leitrim and then it's back door for them.
Problem number 2 talking to Roscommon folk is that the players have too much say in matters and are hard to work with. My choice would be F O Donnel. County board need to work something out soon as any manager would want to be getting started for 2019."
There is a 2 month break between league and championship enough time to recover if a "huge effort" was put into the league.

Any Roscommon folk that told you that is talking out of their rear end and need to have a long hard look at themselves. Your choice or not Fergal O'Donnell will not be returning.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3761 - 27/10/2018 13:46:51    2148423

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I have no question to answer
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5915 - 27/10/2018 11:38:59

You were asked name a proven manager Roscommon have missed out on?
Your reply I don't have to answer anything.

@Crossgaa the problem 2 is utter speculation and Roscommon's most established and informed poster on here Ispeakwisdom has confirmed that speculation to be untrue.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3353 - 27/10/2018 14:53:30    2148426

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "I have no question to answer
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5915 - 27/10/2018 11:38:59

You were asked name a proven manager Roscommon have missed out on?
Your reply I don't have to answer anything.

@Crossgaa the problem 2 is utter speculation and Roscommon's most established and informed poster on here Ispeakwisdom has confirmed that speculation to be untrue."
Jesus absolute torture on here. The poster stated there were plenty of better options. I asked who?

I DID NOT SAY I thought there were plenty of other names. This isn't hard to understand. Why would I put a few names forward when I wasn't claiming there were names out there in the first place.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 27/10/2018 17:28:21    2148431

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "
Replying To Gaa_lover:  "I have no question to answer
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5915 - 27/10/2018 11:38:59

You were asked name a proven manager Roscommon have missed out on?
Your reply I don't have to answer anything.

@Crossgaa the problem 2 is utter speculation and Roscommon's most established and informed poster on here Ispeakwisdom has confirmed that speculation to be untrue."
Jesus absolute torture on here. The poster stated there were plenty of better options. I asked who?

I DID NOT SAY I thought there were plenty of other names. This isn't hard to understand. Why would I put a few names forward when I wasn't claiming there were names out there in the first place."
No I did not state that. The torture will be ongoing for you if you are unable to read posts properly. Now take a step back and stop embarrassing yourself.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 27/10/2018 18:34:02    2148437

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "
Replying To Gaa_lover:  "I have no question to answer
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5915 - 27/10/2018 11:38:59

You were asked name a proven manager Roscommon have missed out on?
Your reply I don't have to answer anything.

@Crossgaa the problem 2 is utter speculation and Roscommon's most established and informed poster on here Ispeakwisdom has confirmed that speculation to be untrue."
Jesus absolute torture on here. The poster stated there were plenty of better options. I asked who?

I DID NOT SAY I thought there were plenty of other names. This isn't hard to understand. Why would I put a few names forward when I wasn't claiming there were names out there in the first place."
Any absolute torture would be your own doing. Saying Roscommon can do so much better than O'Rourke isn't the same as saying there is plenty of names available to manage them. Now that shouldn't be hard to understand.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3353 - 27/10/2018 18:53:03    2148439

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Replying To Yondu:  "
Replying To TheFlaker:  "[quote=Gaa_lover:  "I have no question to answer
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5915 - 27/10/2018 11:38:59

You were asked name a proven manager Roscommon have missed out on?
Your reply I don't have to answer anything.

@Crossgaa the problem 2 is utter speculation and Roscommon's most established and informed poster on here Ispeakwisdom has confirmed that speculation to be untrue."
Jesus absolute torture on here. The poster stated there were plenty of better options. I asked who?

I DID NOT SAY I thought there were plenty of other names. This isn't hard to understand. Why would I put a few names forward when I wasn't claiming there were names out there in the first place."
No I did not state that. The torture will be ongoing for you if you are unable to read posts properly. Now take a step back and stop embarrassing yourself."]Don't mince my words. I said Roscommon can do so much better than O'Rourke and that would include local unproven managers.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 128 - 25/10/2018 16:47:51


Here is your reply. Local unproven managers, plural. Not sure what you are arguing about. You didn't just dismiss the candidate, you said multiple local unproven club managers would be better while also later saying you are not from Roscommon, yet you reckon there are multiple local lads who can do the job? Brilliant stuff.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 27/10/2018 19:48:39    2148442

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "
Replying To Yondu:  "[quote=TheFlaker:  "[quote=Gaa_lover:  "I have no question to answer
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5915 - 27/10/2018 11:38:59

You were asked name a proven manager Roscommon have missed out on?
Your reply I don't have to answer anything.

@Crossgaa the problem 2 is utter speculation and Roscommon's most established and informed poster on here Ispeakwisdom has confirmed that speculation to be untrue."
Jesus absolute torture on here. The poster stated there were plenty of better options. I asked who?

I DID NOT SAY I thought there were plenty of other names. This isn't hard to understand. Why would I put a few names forward when I wasn't claiming there were names out there in the first place."
No I did not state that. The torture will be ongoing for you if you are unable to read posts properly. Now take a step back and stop embarrassing yourself."]Don't mince my words. I said Roscommon can do so much better than O'Rourke and that would include local unproven managers.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 128 - 25/10/2018 16:47:51


Here is your reply. Local unproven managers, plural. Not sure what you are arguing about. You didn't just dismiss the candidate, you said multiple local unproven club managers would be better while also later saying you are not from Roscommon, yet you reckon there are multiple local lads who can do the job? Brilliant stuff."]Arguing because you are claiming I said something that I didn't.

O'Rourke wasn't a proven manager, as a outright manager he has done poor at club,underage county and senior county and he also happens to be someone that is working in Belfast that would cause its own issues. He struggled to put a back room team together which was a very bad sign for any manager and Cavan said no to him this summer over unproven local county manager. In summary it doesn't take a brilliant bit of analysis to know that Roscommon can do better than him and plenty of unproven senior county managers would likely do better than him while costing the Roscommon county board less money.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 27/10/2018 22:19:55    2148457

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Long oul process but we got a good 'un in the end. Anthony is a long time resident in the county , has been very active in his local St Brigids club right through the age groups and really knows the club scene in the county very well.

One of the more unique managers in the country in that he can flit seemlessly between football and hurling.

All in all a very popular appointment.

facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 214 - 09/11/2018 21:10:34    2150466

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Proven manager appointed for Roscommon and happened to be the name that I mentioned in this thread as someone that would be better than Aidan O'Rourke.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 10/11/2018 00:15:18    2150472

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Replying To facethepuckout:  "Long oul process but we got a good 'un in the end. Anthony is a long time resident in the county , has been very active in his local St Brigids club right through the age groups and really knows the club scene in the county very well.

One of the more unique managers in the country in that he can flit seemlessly between football and hurling.

All in all a very popular appointment."
Interesting to see how things go. I think his reputation is not as strong as it was, especially after how it ended with Galway. But I am sure it couldn't be any worse than the end of the McStay era.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 10/11/2018 04:43:16    2150481

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Replying To facethepuckout:  "Long oul process but we got a good 'un in the end. Anthony is a long time resident in the county , has been very active in his local St Brigids club right through the age groups and really knows the club scene in the county very well.

One of the more unique managers in the country in that he can flit seemlessly between football and hurling.

All in all a very popular appointment."
I suppose he will be popular for a while. He should do as good as Kevin McStay has done which is probably as good as any manager could do.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 10/11/2018 08:42:22    2150487

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Interesting to see how things go. I think his reputation is not as strong as it was, especially after how it ended with Galway. But I am sure it couldn't be any worse than the end of the McStay era."
The year Cunningham left Galway they lost the AI final by a few points. He had introduced plenty of new players into the side including a half dozen young players who won U21 AI under his watch in other words he had laid solid foundations in place for Galway to win the senior AI.

While we were non competitive in the super 8s, McStay left us in Div 1 with the experience of having won a provincial title and having played a number of high profile championship games. A matter of Cunningham building on that now and hopefully bringing in the necessary improvements e.g defence and S&C.

ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts: 2487 - 10/11/2018 16:25:56    2150516

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Replying To ispeakwisdom:  "The year Cunningham left Galway they lost the AI final by a few points. He had introduced plenty of new players into the side including a half dozen young players who won U21 AI under his watch in other words he had laid solid foundations in place for Galway to win the senior AI.

While we were non competitive in the super 8s, McStay left us in Div 1 with the experience of having won a provincial title and having played a number of high profile championship games. A matter of Cunningham building on that now and hopefully bringing in the necessary improvements e.g defence and S&C."
Things were not good with the players behind the scenes in Galway. Those are the facts.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 10/11/2018 18:31:39    2150526

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By all accounts Cunningham was regarded as a good coach by Galway and Dublin, I think it was his man management skills 'some' of the Galway players had an issue with.
From what I hear it was 1 or 2 older players who had issue with Cunningham introducing so much youth and maybe felt threatened by this.
Now Galway hurlers would be operating at a higher level than Roscommon footballers as they feel they can win the All Ireland every year so maybe Cunningham got a raw deal by not delivering Liam McCarthy.
I still think he can do a steady job with Roscommon and bring through some youth and have a good run in the super 8s.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 735 - 10/11/2018 19:05:56    2150527

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Replying To Past hurler:  "By all accounts Cunningham was regarded as a good coach by Galway and Dublin, I think it was his man management skills 'some' of the Galway players had an issue with.
From what I hear it was 1 or 2 older players who had issue with Cunningham introducing so much youth and maybe felt threatened by this.
Now Galway hurlers would be operating at a higher level than Roscommon footballers as they feel they can win the All Ireland every year so maybe Cunningham got a raw deal by not delivering Liam McCarthy.
I still think he can do a steady job with Roscommon and bring through some youth and have a good run in the super 8s."
Bit more to it than a couple of young lads been introduced to be fair.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 10/11/2018 20:56:23    2150532

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Things were not good with the players behind the scenes in Galway. Those are the facts."
He was well liked and remains well respected by all of the players he managed at Garrycastle and St Brigids and plenty of those players took to social media yesterday to wish him well in this new job. Those are some more facts for you.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3761 - 10/11/2018 21:53:45    2150541

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Bit more to it than a couple of young lads been introduced to be fair."
Everyone thinks they've got the most beautiful wife at home..

moros (Roscommon) - Posts: 1080 - 11/11/2018 00:02:44    2150549

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