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Replying To Fitzy01:  "Yes, more people talking now but when the dust settles he has left no one in doubt as to what the truth is and it is a closed book I'm sure he won't give a fiddlers what happens from now. He is his own man and tackled the issue head-on. Big respect for Peter Casey all round and hopefully, he has educated a few people on the dangers of rumours, assumptions and false allegations along the way."
Very well said indeed. This young man Peter Casey "tackled the issue head-on" and put it to bed, in what be ranked as one of the best tackles of his career. Well done again Peter, and best of luck to you in the club championship and Limerick 2020. Always a delight to see you on the ball.

Come On Ye Boys In Green.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1068 - 30/08/2019 14:40:38    2230709

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To be frank, my temper has curbed my enthusiasm for posting on the site over the past month or so as the disappointment, bile and bitterness has consumed my mood and clouded my thoughts. It's only now that I'm feeling the compulsion to give vent to my contrariness and to rant at the Gods who have blessed us so and then deserted us at the pivotal moment. My honest belief is that this was a three in a row team. In fact, it can still be one, but lessons need to be absorbed and learnt from.
So, let's start by a statement of fact. The GAA screwed Limerick again with another officiating howler that's a disgrace to the association. The linesman didn't do his job and messed up a basic call at the death of an All-Ireland semi-final. To err is to be human but he shouldn't ever see Croke Park again except in a paying capacity.
The end product was an All- Ireland final contested by two of the old worthies and without what I would argue are that the two best teams in the country which were Limerick and Galway. Tipp must have proffered the fatted calf and sold their souls to be so steeped in luck to win this All-Ireland but they'll get no respect from me for getting freakishly lucky. All that said, I think that Callinan is a superb forward and I'd like to see him get Hurler of the Year. I thought the goal that he scored in the Munster final was an amazing bit of skill and I admire a craftsman at work.
Turning specifically to the KK match, there are a few things that really vexed me. The first is that everyone knows the issue that affected Declan Hannon. I reckon that this is the fourth occasion so this couldn't be new news to the medical team. How the hell was he left on until half-time? They should have known the situation. I hate to be critical of the player in an instance like this, but he should have known it too. I'm really surprised that there's been relatively little comment about this since.
The second and really in my mind the crux of the loss is lethality. Despite a horrendous start (which also deserves detailed analysis), the fact is that we were 1 point down in the game with 20 minutes to go and any elements available in our favour. Why did we not close out the victory against an ageing KK forward line and given the noted strength of our bench? The answer is transparently obvious - WIDES.
The KK half back line held their line and gambled by basically telling us to shoot from distance if we're able. This was the critical factor in losing the game and that's what most urgently needs to be remedied because the same trap will be laid for us again in the future. Match Limerick for work-rate, hold your defensive system in place and force Limerick to shoot from range and you can beat them. We'll see this formula again and again next year. I think we need to respond in two ways:

i. Start Dowling in the full forward line. We need a finisher in this team and he's one of the most skilled in the country. He's never going to be a backup for Gearoid Hegarty that can run all day up and down and back and forward and over and thither until a half back collapses in a heap. That's not his skill set. Keep him as the predator that never crosses back across the 65 except to take long range frees (which he should always take if he's on the field). Donal Og Cusack did a piece on TV before throw-in in which he identified 7 goal scoring opportunities in the first half alone in the Munster final against Tipp that we missed. That's SEVEN in just one half. You cannot win championships without some level of scoring efficiency and we're operating at substandard levels in this regard. Sure - he'll have some bad games because every forward has them, but he'll gobble up breaks and half chances and quarter chances. Plus, he'll take pressure off Gillane whose frequently triple marked and fouled at the same time in front of blind officials who seem to no longer want to play the game in accordance with the rules.
ii. We need to do a lot more work on accuracy and striking skills. We've got to crack the scoring from range weakness, and I'd suggest that a forward's coach dedicated to improving this skillset should be added to the backroom team. Someone like an Eoin Kelly would be ideal although I doubt very much that he'd be interested in sleeping with the enemy. Maybe AOS? How about really splashing the cash and getting Henry Shefflin down the Limerick to take a few sessions focused on shooting/finishing? One thought that occurs is to get TJ Reid to call in and give a few pointers seeing as he's stealing one of our women? Joking aside, I think there's merit in having a specialist skills coach with a focus on this aspect alone.

I've noted comments from others regarding substitutions and I must agree with them. Management seem to have pre-programed who and when there will be substitutions before the match starts and not based on what's happening in front of them. Now I accept that there's a bit of Monday Morning Quarterbacking going on here, but it was obvious to me that Gearoid Hegarty was having a nightmare show in the first half and should have gotten taken off before half time. I hugely rate him as a player. I think he has had a colossus of a season until the KK match, but this was one game in which if he had ducks - they would drown. It happens to every player and that's life.
The window of opportunity for this group is still gaping wide and it will for the next 5 years due to the age profile and depth of the squad. If I look around, I don't see a looming threat to scare Limerick children and terrorize our hamlets. That's reflected in the betting for next year which already has Limerick as the favourites whereas this time last year (and despite our victory - we weren't). If you analyse the competitive landscape, it's as relatively benign as I can ever remember as follows:

o KK - The superior players are ageing, and the young ones are good but how can they replace the legends that are now overpopulating every media studio that's blessing us with their punditry expertise. TJ Reid is 32 and getting married. The best attribute that they have is their tenacity and know-how, so they'll always be difficult to beat and never be taken for granted but the fear factor is gone.
o Galway - They're in turmoil following the resignation of Michael O 'Donoghue. Canning is heading for 30 and they need to find at least 4 new players to take top honours. They still have a core of quality so can also never be taken for granted. But the management turnover is a massive negative.
o Tipp - They're fat now from winning this year and history tells us that they struggle to repeat. Plus, they have an ageing team that fought against the fading light to win an All-Ireland in their Autumn years. I think winter is approaching for the legendary players in that group. They always have the technical tradition and they have a supply line of good young forwards, but transition must be a factor during which our hardened and slightly older troops should have their measure. The biggest concern is that we could have to play them trice next year to win the crown given the state of the rest in Munster.
o Cork - It's mushroom time. Some of the forwards are still good but the spine of the defence is abject. Their backs are nothing short of awful. A lot of Cork players must be avoiding Patrick Horgan in the street these days. And he's now 33! Of course, they have young talent and you can never take your eye off them, but they have a long way to go. I'd suggest that a guy like Donal O'Grady would be good for them because he would make them defend properly and focus on fundamental basics. The Fennelly goal was a basic Cork defensive error. Two defenders go up for the ball and nobody marks the corner back. O'Grady wouldn't tolerate that kind of deviancy.
o Clare - The window is now closed as we travel further and further from 2013 and as their underage continues to fail badly. They have a core of good players who can sting you in Ennis but that's about it. The loss of Conor McGrath is a savage blow.
o Waterford - Seriously struggling and showing no current signs of improvement
o Dublin - Physical outfit who caused us problems in the League semi-final in Nolan Park but they lack the scoring punch to win a championship.
o Wexford - Is Davy staying? If he does, they're not a bad team full of physicality and endeavour but you always feel that the cutting edge is not there. They had Tipp in jail in that semi-final and couldn't lock the door despite having the key in their hands.

Looking forward to next year, I'd like Limerick to make a few tweaks with the team. The full backline starters are magnificent. I'd like if one of them was taller because they can get caught out by a big, direct full forward on occasion but that's nit-picking. The biggest issue in the line is backup to the starters who're nailed in for years to come. I'm less sanguine about our half back line who didn't dominate to the same extent as the previous year despite the contribution of O'Loughlin and Nash. I'd strongly argue that it's time to re-site Kyle Hayes to his natural position. W'OD earned his spot as the defensive work dog in midfield and is the perfect foil to the gifted Cian Lynch. One notion is why not move Lynch into centre forward for 20 minutes in games just to be less predictable. Colin Ryan is a shooter and might be a change of pace player late in games. Switching Hayes will leave a hole at centre forward. I'd be interested to see Tom Morrissey play more centrally mainly because I think he's a terrific natural forward reaching back to his minor days as a scoring full forward. We have multiple options to play wing forward. I'd be particularly interested to see how young Boylan progresses next year and I'd like to see Nash getting a run in the team there as well. Nash is a high- end hurler with a serious underage pedigree. I think he's got lost in the competition, but I'd hope that he's confidence levels will be higher next year. I've already ranted about Dowling, so I'll spare you all a repetition. I'd like us to use him as the fulcrum and allow Gillane more flexibility in a two-man full forward line. Defences are now focused on stopping him so let's move him around more and let him attack the weak links in opposition defences.
Bottom line is that we need to become less predictable, find a plan B, improve out scoring efficiency and target Tipperary. The future is still Green.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 685 - 31/08/2019 23:20:38    2231091

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Replying To Dealer:  "To be frank, my temper has curbed my enthusiasm for posting on the site over the past month or so as the disappointment, bile and bitterness has consumed my mood and clouded my thoughts. It's only now that I'm feeling the compulsion to give vent to my contrariness and to rant at the Gods who have blessed us so and then deserted us at the pivotal moment. My honest belief is that this was a three in a row team. In fact, it can still be one, but lessons need to be absorbed and learnt from.
So, let's start by a statement of fact. The GAA screwed Limerick again with another officiating howler that's a disgrace to the association. The linesman didn't do his job and messed up a basic call at the death of an All-Ireland semi-final. To err is to be human but he shouldn't ever see Croke Park again except in a paying capacity.
The end product was an All- Ireland final contested by two of the old worthies and without what I would argue are that the two best teams in the country which were Limerick and Galway. Tipp must have proffered the fatted calf and sold their souls to be so steeped in luck to win this All-Ireland but they'll get no respect from me for getting freakishly lucky. All that said, I think that Callinan is a superb forward and I'd like to see him get Hurler of the Year. I thought the goal that he scored in the Munster final was an amazing bit of skill and I admire a craftsman at work.
Turning specifically to the KK match, there are a few things that really vexed me. The first is that everyone knows the issue that affected Declan Hannon. I reckon that this is the fourth occasion so this couldn't be new news to the medical team. How the hell was he left on until half-time? They should have known the situation. I hate to be critical of the player in an instance like this, but he should have known it too. I'm really surprised that there's been relatively little comment about this since.
The second and really in my mind the crux of the loss is lethality. Despite a horrendous start (which also deserves detailed analysis), the fact is that we were 1 point down in the game with 20 minutes to go and any elements available in our favour. Why did we not close out the victory against an ageing KK forward line and given the noted strength of our bench? The answer is transparently obvious - WIDES.
The KK half back line held their line and gambled by basically telling us to shoot from distance if we're able. This was the critical factor in losing the game and that's what most urgently needs to be remedied because the same trap will be laid for us again in the future. Match Limerick for work-rate, hold your defensive system in place and force Limerick to shoot from range and you can beat them. We'll see this formula again and again next year. I think we need to respond in two ways:

i. Start Dowling in the full forward line. We need a finisher in this team and he's one of the most skilled in the country. He's never going to be a backup for Gearoid Hegarty that can run all day up and down and back and forward and over and thither until a half back collapses in a heap. That's not his skill set. Keep him as the predator that never crosses back across the 65 except to take long range frees (which he should always take if he's on the field). Donal Og Cusack did a piece on TV before throw-in in which he identified 7 goal scoring opportunities in the first half alone in the Munster final against Tipp that we missed. That's SEVEN in just one half. You cannot win championships without some level of scoring efficiency and we're operating at substandard levels in this regard. Sure - he'll have some bad games because every forward has them, but he'll gobble up breaks and half chances and quarter chances. Plus, he'll take pressure off Gillane whose frequently triple marked and fouled at the same time in front of blind officials who seem to no longer want to play the game in accordance with the rules.
ii. We need to do a lot more work on accuracy and striking skills. We've got to crack the scoring from range weakness, and I'd suggest that a forward's coach dedicated to improving this skillset should be added to the backroom team. Someone like an Eoin Kelly would be ideal although I doubt very much that he'd be interested in sleeping with the enemy. Maybe AOS? How about really splashing the cash and getting Henry Shefflin down the Limerick to take a few sessions focused on shooting/finishing? One thought that occurs is to get TJ Reid to call in and give a few pointers seeing as he's stealing one of our women? Joking aside, I think there's merit in having a specialist skills coach with a focus on this aspect alone.

I've noted comments from others regarding substitutions and I must agree with them. Management seem to have pre-programed who and when there will be substitutions before the match starts and not based on what's happening in front of them. Now I accept that there's a bit of Monday Morning Quarterbacking going on here, but it was obvious to me that Gearoid Hegarty was having a nightmare show in the first half and should have gotten taken off before half time. I hugely rate him as a player. I think he has had a colossus of a season until the KK match, but this was one game in which if he had ducks - they would drown. It happens to every player and that's life.
The window of opportunity for this group is still gaping wide and it will for the next 5 years due to the age profile and depth of the squad. If I look around, I don't see a looming threat to scare Limerick children and terrorize our hamlets. That's reflected in the betting for next year which already has Limerick as the favourites whereas this time last year (and despite our victory - we weren't). If you analyse the competitive landscape, it's as relatively benign as I can ever remember as follows:

o KK - The superior players are ageing, and the young ones are good but how can they replace the legends that are now overpopulating every media studio that's blessing us with their punditry expertise. TJ Reid is 32 and getting married. The best attribute that they have is their tenacity and know-how, so they'll always be difficult to beat and never be taken for granted but the fear factor is gone.
o Galway - They're in turmoil following the resignation of Michael O 'Donoghue. Canning is heading for 30 and they need to find at least 4 new players to take top honours. They still have a core of quality so can also never be taken for granted. But the management turnover is a massive negative.
o Tipp - They're fat now from winning this year and history tells us that they struggle to repeat. Plus, they have an ageing team that fought against the fading light to win an All-Ireland in their Autumn years. I think winter is approaching for the legendary players in that group. They always have the technical tradition and they have a supply line of good young forwards, but transition must be a factor during which our hardened and slightly older troops should have their measure. The biggest concern is that we could have to play them trice next year to win the crown given the state of the rest in Munster.
o Cork - It's mushroom time. Some of the forwards are still good but the spine of the defence is abject. Their backs are nothing short of awful. A lot of Cork players must be avoiding Patrick Horgan in the street these days. And he's now 33! Of course, they have young talent and you can never take your eye off them, but they have a long way to go. I'd suggest that a guy like Donal O'Grady would be good for them because he would make them defend properly and focus on fundamental basics. The Fennelly goal was a basic Cork defensive error. Two defenders go up for the ball and nobody marks the corner back. O'Grady wouldn't tolerate that kind of deviancy.
o Clare - The window is now closed as we travel further and further from 2013 and as their underage continues to fail badly. They have a core of good players who can sting you in Ennis but that's about it. The loss of Conor McGrath is a savage blow.
o Waterford - Seriously struggling and showing no current signs of improvement
o Dublin - Physical outfit who caused us problems in the League semi-final in Nolan Park but they lack the scoring punch to win a championship.
o Wexford - Is Davy staying? If he does, they're not a bad team full of physicality and endeavour but you always feel that the cutting edge is not there. They had Tipp in jail in that semi-final and couldn't lock the door despite having the key in their hands.

Looking forward to next year, I'd like Limerick to make a few tweaks with the team. The full backline starters are magnificent. I'd like if one of them was taller because they can get caught out by a big, direct full forward on occasion but that's nit-picking. The biggest issue in the line is backup to the starters who're nailed in for years to come. I'm less sanguine about our half back line who didn't dominate to the same extent as the previous year despite the contribution of O'Loughlin and Nash. I'd strongly argue that it's time to re-site Kyle Hayes to his natural position. W'OD earned his spot as the defensive work dog in midfield and is the perfect foil to the gifted Cian Lynch. One notion is why not move Lynch into centre forward for 20 minutes in games just to be less predictable. Colin Ryan is a shooter and might be a change of pace player late in games. Switching Hayes will leave a hole at centre forward. I'd be interested to see Tom Morrissey play more centrally mainly because I think he's a terrific natural forward reaching back to his minor days as a scoring full forward. We have multiple options to play wing forward. I'd be particularly interested to see how young Boylan progresses next year and I'd like to see Nash getting a run in the team there as well. Nash is a high- end hurler with a serious underage pedigree. I think he's got lost in the competition, but I'd hope that he's confidence levels will be higher next year. I've already ranted about Dowling, so I'll spare you all a repetition. I'd like us to use him as the fulcrum and allow Gillane more flexibility in a two-man full forward line. Defences are now focused on stopping him so let's move him around more and let him attack the weak links in opposition defences.
Bottom line is that we need to become less predictable, find a plan B, improve out scoring efficiency and target Tipperary. The future is still Green."
Agree with many things there. One thing I'd say is Declan like any player probablygenuinely felt he could continue. The onus is on the meds and management to make the final call not the player. It simply wasn't right he was left on until the end of the first half.
Dowling could be brought in earlier into games but I still think a Flanagan on 2018 form would be better to start up front. Gillane should not be left up there alone. The lad isn't superhuman.

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 106 - 01/09/2019 19:59:46    2231478

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Replying To Mads:  "Agree with many things there. One thing I'd say is Declan like any player probablygenuinely felt he could continue. The onus is on the meds and management to make the final call not the player. It simply wasn't right he was left on until the end of the first half.
Dowling could be brought in earlier into games but I still think a Flanagan on 2018 form would be better to start up front. Gillane should not be left up there alone. The lad isn't superhuman."
Great post by dealer but i agree 100% with mads inrelation to Declan Hannon and Aaron Gillane. I still think Dowling is best used as an impact player.

Kiely and Kinnerk will have to change things up next year, Cork and Kilkenny matched our work rate and caught us tactically during the Championship. Also management have to learn to react quicker on the line, dare I say too we should play a less restricted game and let lads express themselves a bit more on the field next year. The league next year will be crucial for tactical experiment and to find a few new players.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 522 - 01/09/2019 22:56:42    2231609

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I agree with all that's said about the year just gone. A positive year overall. The use of subs needs to be addressed. Bring em in from the 45th minute or sooner.
But the one thing they can do is not accept double digit wides.. Limerick will keep losing to same standard or inferior Kilkenny ,Cork, Tipp teams unless this is tidied up. It's a chronic issue.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1166 - 02/09/2019 17:43:26    2232001

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Replying To Dealer:  "To be frank, my temper has curbed my enthusiasm for posting on the site over the past month or so as the disappointment, bile and bitterness has consumed my mood and clouded my thoughts. It's only now that I'm feeling the compulsion to give vent to my contrariness and to rant at the Gods who have blessed us so and then deserted us at the pivotal moment. My honest belief is that this was a three in a row team. In fact, it can still be one, but lessons need to be absorbed and learnt from.
So, let's start by a statement of fact. The GAA screwed Limerick again with another officiating howler that's a disgrace to the association. The linesman didn't do his job and messed up a basic call at the death of an All-Ireland semi-final. To err is to be human but he shouldn't ever see Croke Park again except in a paying capacity.
The end product was an All- Ireland final contested by two of the old worthies and without what I would argue are that the two best teams in the country which were Limerick and Galway. Tipp must have proffered the fatted calf and sold their souls to be so steeped in luck to win this All-Ireland but they'll get no respect from me for getting freakishly lucky. All that said, I think that Callinan is a superb forward and I'd like to see him get Hurler of the Year. I thought the goal that he scored in the Munster final was an amazing bit of skill and I admire a craftsman at work.
Turning specifically to the KK match, there are a few things that really vexed me. The first is that everyone knows the issue that affected Declan Hannon. I reckon that this is the fourth occasion so this couldn't be new news to the medical team. How the hell was he left on until half-time? They should have known the situation. I hate to be critical of the player in an instance like this, but he should have known it too. I'm really surprised that there's been relatively little comment about this since.
The second and really in my mind the crux of the loss is lethality. Despite a horrendous start (which also deserves detailed analysis), the fact is that we were 1 point down in the game with 20 minutes to go and any elements available in our favour. Why did we not close out the victory against an ageing KK forward line and given the noted strength of our bench? The answer is transparently obvious - WIDES.
The KK half back line held their line and gambled by basically telling us to shoot from distance if we're able. This was the critical factor in losing the game and that's what most urgently needs to be remedied because the same trap will be laid for us again in the future. Match Limerick for work-rate, hold your defensive system in place and force Limerick to shoot from range and you can beat them. We'll see this formula again and again next year. I think we need to respond in two ways:

i. Start Dowling in the full forward line. We need a finisher in this team and he's one of the most skilled in the country. He's never going to be a backup for Gearoid Hegarty that can run all day up and down and back and forward and over and thither until a half back collapses in a heap. That's not his skill set. Keep him as the predator that never crosses back across the 65 except to take long range frees (which he should always take if he's on the field). Donal Og Cusack did a piece on TV before throw-in in which he identified 7 goal scoring opportunities in the first half alone in the Munster final against Tipp that we missed. That's SEVEN in just one half. You cannot win championships without some level of scoring efficiency and we're operating at substandard levels in this regard. Sure - he'll have some bad games because every forward has them, but he'll gobble up breaks and half chances and quarter chances. Plus, he'll take pressure off Gillane whose frequently triple marked and fouled at the same time in front of blind officials who seem to no longer want to play the game in accordance with the rules.
ii. We need to do a lot more work on accuracy and striking skills. We've got to crack the scoring from range weakness, and I'd suggest that a forward's coach dedicated to improving this skillset should be added to the backroom team. Someone like an Eoin Kelly would be ideal although I doubt very much that he'd be interested in sleeping with the enemy. Maybe AOS? How about really splashing the cash and getting Henry Shefflin down the Limerick to take a few sessions focused on shooting/finishing? One thought that occurs is to get TJ Reid to call in and give a few pointers seeing as he's stealing one of our women? Joking aside, I think there's merit in having a specialist skills coach with a focus on this aspect alone.

I've noted comments from others regarding substitutions and I must agree with them. Management seem to have pre-programed who and when there will be substitutions before the match starts and not based on what's happening in front of them. Now I accept that there's a bit of Monday Morning Quarterbacking going on here, but it was obvious to me that Gearoid Hegarty was having a nightmare show in the first half and should have gotten taken off before half time. I hugely rate him as a player. I think he has had a colossus of a season until the KK match, but this was one game in which if he had ducks - they would drown. It happens to every player and that's life.
The window of opportunity for this group is still gaping wide and it will for the next 5 years due to the age profile and depth of the squad. If I look around, I don't see a looming threat to scare Limerick children and terrorize our hamlets. That's reflected in the betting for next year which already has Limerick as the favourites whereas this time last year (and despite our victory - we weren't). If you analyse the competitive landscape, it's as relatively benign as I can ever remember as follows:

o KK - The superior players are ageing, and the young ones are good but how can they replace the legends that are now overpopulating every media studio that's blessing us with their punditry expertise. TJ Reid is 32 and getting married. The best attribute that they have is their tenacity and know-how, so they'll always be difficult to beat and never be taken for granted but the fear factor is gone.
o Galway - They're in turmoil following the resignation of Michael O 'Donoghue. Canning is heading for 30 and they need to find at least 4 new players to take top honours. They still have a core of quality so can also never be taken for granted. But the management turnover is a massive negative.
o Tipp - They're fat now from winning this year and history tells us that they struggle to repeat. Plus, they have an ageing team that fought against the fading light to win an All-Ireland in their Autumn years. I think winter is approaching for the legendary players in that group. They always have the technical tradition and they have a supply line of good young forwards, but transition must be a factor during which our hardened and slightly older troops should have their measure. The biggest concern is that we could have to play them trice next year to win the crown given the state of the rest in Munster.
o Cork - It's mushroom time. Some of the forwards are still good but the spine of the defence is abject. Their backs are nothing short of awful. A lot of Cork players must be avoiding Patrick Horgan in the street these days. And he's now 33! Of course, they have young talent and you can never take your eye off them, but they have a long way to go. I'd suggest that a guy like Donal O'Grady would be good for them because he would make them defend properly and focus on fundamental basics. The Fennelly goal was a basic Cork defensive error. Two defenders go up for the ball and nobody marks the corner back. O'Grady wouldn't tolerate that kind of deviancy.
o Clare - The window is now closed as we travel further and further from 2013 and as their underage continues to fail badly. They have a core of good players who can sting you in Ennis but that's about it. The loss of Conor McGrath is a savage blow.
o Waterford - Seriously struggling and showing no current signs of improvement
o Dublin - Physical outfit who caused us problems in the League semi-final in Nolan Park but they lack the scoring punch to win a championship.
o Wexford - Is Davy staying? If he does, they're not a bad team full of physicality and endeavour but you always feel that the cutting edge is not there. They had Tipp in jail in that semi-final and couldn't lock the door despite having the key in their hands.

Looking forward to next year, I'd like Limerick to make a few tweaks with the team. The full backline starters are magnificent. I'd like if one of them was taller because they can get caught out by a big, direct full forward on occasion but that's nit-picking. The biggest issue in the line is backup to the starters who're nailed in for years to come. I'm less sanguine about our half back line who didn't dominate to the same extent as the previous year despite the contribution of O'Loughlin and Nash. I'd strongly argue that it's time to re-site Kyle Hayes to his natural position. W'OD earned his spot as the defensive work dog in midfield and is the perfect foil to the gifted Cian Lynch. One notion is why not move Lynch into centre forward for 20 minutes in games just to be less predictable. Colin Ryan is a shooter and might be a change of pace player late in games. Switching Hayes will leave a hole at centre forward. I'd be interested to see Tom Morrissey play more centrally mainly because I think he's a terrific natural forward reaching back to his minor days as a scoring full forward. We have multiple options to play wing forward. I'd be particularly interested to see how young Boylan progresses next year and I'd like to see Nash getting a run in the team there as well. Nash is a high- end hurler with a serious underage pedigree. I think he's got lost in the competition, but I'd hope that he's confidence levels will be higher next year. I've already ranted about Dowling, so I'll spare you all a repetition. I'd like us to use him as the fulcrum and allow Gillane more flexibility in a two-man full forward line. Defences are now focused on stopping him so let's move him around more and let him attack the weak links in opposition defences.
Bottom line is that we need to become less predictable, find a plan B, improve out scoring efficiency and target Tipperary. The future is still Green."
Disgraceful post calling Tipp freakishly lucky, and saying Limerick are still best team in Country. How could Limerick be best team in Country when ye were beaten three times this year, how many more chances do ye want. Tipp beat all the same teams as Limerick last year except Galway but hey we are just lucky to win all Ireland after beaten Cork, Clare, Waterford, Limerick, Laois, Wexford and Kilkenny to win an all Ireland.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1270 - 02/09/2019 19:37:33    2232061

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So John Kiely and kinnerk confirmed for another 2years.
Good to see Donal O'Grady involved also. He'll offer something fresh with hopefully an eye for positional change when needed..
Roll on 2020.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 578 - 02/09/2019 20:52:20    2232090

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Replying To skillet:  "So John Kiely and kinnerk confirmed for another 2years.
Good to see Donal O'Grady involved also. He'll offer something fresh with hopefully an eye for positional change when needed..
Roll on 2020."
That's true no harm having a combination of stability and freshness.

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 106 - 04/09/2019 11:47:15    2232680

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Disgraceful post calling Tipp freakishly lucky, and saying Limerick are still best team in Country. How could Limerick be best team in Country when ye were beaten three times this year, how many more chances do ye want. Tipp beat all the same teams as Limerick last year except Galway but hey we are just lucky to win all Ireland after beaten Cork, Clare, Waterford, Limerick, Laois, Wexford and Kilkenny to win an all Ireland."
Disgraceful Post- Maybe, but you are capable of the odd disgraceful post yourself. Lately you suggested that Tipp would have won the All Ireland in 18 if Sheehy was with ye. The fact is that this talented group- and yes they are talented-, played in five major matches, a League Final and four Championship matches in 2018 and failed to win any of them and you by implication blame the management and absolves the players of any responsibility. At least Limerick won a League and a Munster title this year; Tipp won absolutely nothing last year. Their manager last year was Michael Ryan a former All Ireland winning manager and a highly respected player and you seem to be loading all the responsibility for last years debacle on to him. The fact is every All Ireland winning team are worthy winners and you should remember, and every one else who questions the credentials of champions, should also remember the old adage that 'winners are winners and losers make excuses'

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2284 - 05/09/2019 13:14:01    2233019

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I suggested you get your facts right as I never posted such thing. I'm thinking you have the wrong poster.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1270 - 05/09/2019 19:51:25    2233132

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Replying To therealtmo:  "I suggested you get your facts right as I never posted such thing. I'm thinking you have the wrong poster."
Sorry Realtmo- I mixed your comment up with one made by Premier Gold. Apologies

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2284 - 05/09/2019 21:58:15    2233157

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Replying To therealtmo:  "I suggested you get your facts right as I never posted such thing. I'm thinking you have the wrong poster."
Sorry Realtmo- I mixed your comment up with one made by Premier Gold. Apologies

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2284 - 05/09/2019 21:58:32    2233158

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Disgraceful post calling Tipp freakishly lucky, and saying Limerick are still best team in Country. How could Limerick be best team in Country when ye were beaten three times this year, how many more chances do ye want. Tipp beat all the same teams as Limerick last year except Galway but hey we are just lucky to win all Ireland after beaten Cork, Clare, Waterford, Limerick, Laois, Wexford and Kilkenny to win an all Ireland."
Your dead right,best team in the championship was Tipperary, Limerick people have awful chip on our shoulder's, hopefully we improve next year.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 466 - 05/09/2019 22:39:54    2233169

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Replying To daveboy:  "Exactly. Let it be now and get on with the club championship. Nothing to see here!!"
I can't believe how naive ye are,na piarsaigh will walk the championship again,they are a brilliant team,it's going to take a few years to catch up with na piarsaigh.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 466 - 05/09/2019 22:43:24    2233170

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Sorry Realtmo- I mixed your comment up with one made by Premier Gold. Apologies"
No fault Oldtourman. It could happen to a Bishop. You post some great insight and history on here. Keep on posting.

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1068 - 06/09/2019 02:23:42    2233188

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Replying To therealtmo:  "I suggested you get your facts right as I never posted such thing. I'm thinking you have the wrong poster."
I would not make much of the three defeats, but definitely the defeat by Kilkenny, was caused by a very poor display and even more so off the field. Cork have hit the ground running several times this decade, as in V Tipp 2010, Clare '13 and '14, Waterford in '17 and Limerick in'19. but in all cases failed to deliver on earlier promise. The Round Robin game against Tipp I feel was the game we should have gone for and maybe just kept our powder drier in the Munster Final, in view of how Munster Champions have fared after in the past dozen odd years. Of course the Round Format is wide open to manipulation. There are twenty points up for grabs and in the event of one team one winning all their games and the second placed one winning three and each of the others winning one game, one of those will go through with a nice steady run to All Ireland success, if they are good enough. There are other ways it can be manipulated. Supposing in any given year LK and Waterford each draw Cork and Tipp in the first two round and they each were to beat their more honours laden opponents and then meet in the last game, depending how Clare have done, and they could have beaten say Waterford and Limerick, all they have to do is draw and possibly both Cork and Tipp are gone. This year alone allegations emanated from Galway that KK and WX conspired to draw to give the Westeners the boot. I was at the KK/WX Round Robin game and those allegations were utter nonsense, but there you go. Overall, it is a system that simply cannot last

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2284 - 06/09/2019 09:34:26    2233224

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Disgraceful post calling Tipp freakishly lucky, and saying Limerick are still best team in Country. How could Limerick be best team in Country when ye were beaten three times this year, how many more chances do ye want. Tipp beat all the same teams as Limerick last year except Galway but hey we are just lucky to win all Ireland after beaten Cork, Clare, Waterford, Limerick, Laois, Wexford and Kilkenny to win an all Ireland."
I don't think so. Tipp got hammered in the Munster Final and were lucky to escape with just the beating that they got on the day. That spun them into the soft side of the draw with a quarter final against Laois. KK won against Limerick because of the linesman and Tipp won the final because Cathal Barrett took a swan dive before halftime. Tipp might have the cup but that doesn't mean that they're the best team. They're the luckiest one because they avoided both Limerick and Galway in the All Ireland series. You'll need to find a different parish than the Limerick forum for validation.

Of course, everyone is too polite to say it in the media but that's the view that you'll get outside Tipp. Go back to back if you're really after respect.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 685 - 06/09/2019 10:17:53    2233237

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Soft side of draw ? Did ye not get Carlow last year ? Any all Ireland champions deserve respect just as Limerick were great champions last year.Dealer you have a lot of ifs and only for in your post, all Ireland's aren't won on ifs, buts or only for.....

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1270 - 06/09/2019 11:29:46    2233255

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Replying To cityman73:  "I can't believe how naive ye are,na piarsaigh will walk the championship again,they are a brilliant team,it's going to take a few years to catch up with na piarsaigh."
Not sure my comment was naive? I fully expect nap to win but the well are overpriced right now imo.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 427 - 06/09/2019 11:42:14    2233257

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Replying To therealtmo:  "Soft side of draw ? Did ye not get Carlow last year ? Any all Ireland champions deserve respect just as Limerick were great champions last year.Dealer you have a lot of ifs and only for in your post, all Ireland's aren't won on ifs, buts or only for....."
Carlow was not a quarter final. Limerick beat kk cork galway last year. Tipp beat Laois wexford and a 14 man kk. I think most objective people would say tipp got very lucky with the draw after being humbled in the Munster final. Remember tipp strughked hugely against Laois for large parts and then wexford who imploded. Again in the final they were struggling till barrett did well to get Hogan his red. But as I said before tipp can only beat what was in front of them and they did. There is an asterisk beside it imo but who in tipp cares. I know I wouldn't. I've stated before here that winning your provincial championship should not be a hindrance and clearly it is. Roll on 2020 wont be long coming around.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 427 - 06/09/2019 11:50:06    2233259

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