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Feeling great empathy with Limerick panel and management over missing out on another trip to Croke Park. Must be extremely difficult few days after tremendous sacrifice, effort and dedication that you all have made in the form of sweat, blood and tears. Feeling extremely grateful for allowing us supporters to live the dream for the past 2 years. No doubt Ye will be back bigger, better and mentally stronger for years to come as a result of recent setback! Ye're feats are not diminished in any way. No need for apologies to anyone!

Keep the Faith boys and keep the heads held high!

Maybe we are still at the beginning of a great journey ahead and may we actually arrived a year or two ahead of schedule in scaling the summit (Hogan Stand) last year, (but who's complaining) to Fenway, to League, to Munster Champs.

Come On ye Boys In Green, Continue to Dream the Dream...

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 16/08/2019 20:21:37    2226570

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Was at the Gaelic grounds tonight. Must say diarmuid Byrnes free taken from distance is a worry going forward. Must have hit 4/5 wides.

Does anyone think Andrew Carroll is a worth a look with limerick? He performed well tonight. His aerial ability I'd top class and is very accurate from play when shooting.

brud (Limerick) - Posts: 909 - 16/08/2019 21:58:21    2226616

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Feeling great empathy with Limerick panel and management over missing out on another trip to Croke Park. Must be extremely difficult few days after tremendous sacrifice, effort and dedication that you all have made in the form of sweat, blood and tears. Feeling extremely grateful for allowing us supporters to live the dream for the past 2 years. No doubt Ye will be back bigger, better and mentally stronger for years to come as a result of recent setback! Ye're feats are not diminished in any way. No need for apologies to anyone!

Keep the Faith boys and keep the heads held high!

Maybe we are still at the beginning of a great journey ahead and may we actually arrived a year or two ahead of schedule in scaling the summit (Hogan Stand) last year, (but who's complaining) to Fenway, to League, to Munster Champs.

Come On ye Boys In Green, Continue to Dream the Dream..."
Absolutely agree. It should be remembered that no team that regained the All Ireland after more than a ten year lapse has retained it the following year, except the Wexford team of the fifties and they had already lost two finals and were a vastly experienced team . It should be also noted that each of the last three Champions have gone out by a point the following year. There were mistakes made on and off the field last Sunday. If all concerned learn from those mistakes and drive on we should still be a serious threat going forward. Keep up the good work lads.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2275 - 16/08/2019 22:06:01    2226618

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Limerick can see now how good Kikenny are. They are bang average. If Kiely does one thing this summer its getting a forwards coach and get the wides below 10. Tipperary weren't given a game today. They hung in there when Kilkenny started like a train and just played cuter than Limerick. Limerick have let an All Ireland slip this year and dont let anyone tell ye otherwise.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1156 - 18/08/2019 20:21:12    2227206

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Replying To brud:  "Was at the Gaelic grounds tonight. Must say diarmuid Byrnes free taken from distance is a worry going forward. Must have hit 4/5 wides.

Does anyone think Andrew Carroll is a worth a look with limerick? He performed well tonight. His aerial ability I'd top class and is very accurate from play when shooting."
Strange game, disappointed with Patrickswell in starting so poorly but credit to Kilmallock on their quick recovery since last week. Byrnes free taking, along with his shooting from general play has been an issue for club and county for the last few years. Great man to win his own ball and reads the game well but is too prone to hail mary wides. I was impressed with Mike Houlihan on Friday, a bit lightweight but could see him developing into a serious operator.

Andrew Carroll falls into the same bracket as Kevin O'Donnell, Mark Carmody, Alan Dempsey, John Fitz and a few others who are excellent club hurlers but haven't made the grade at county level. Others like Kevin O'Brien, Josh Ryan, Ronan Lynch and Adrian Breen haven't made it either but could be worth another look for Limerick..

McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 357 - 19/08/2019 10:40:15    2227394

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Limerick can see now how good Kikenny are. They are bang average. If Kiely does one thing this summer its getting a forwards coach and get the wides below 10. Tipperary weren't given a game today. They hung in there when Kilkenny started like a train and just played cuter than Limerick. Limerick have let an All Ireland slip this year and dont let anyone tell ye otherwise."
Can never be certain of course but can see why the Treaty men might well have regrets but in reality Limerick played poorly and management not sharp enough only one point in it of course

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 452 - 19/08/2019 12:58:50    2227465

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Would brian ryan be worth a shot??

upthetreatyboys (Limerick) - Posts: 77 - 19/08/2019 14:50:28    2227523

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Does anybody know where is "the dealer" gone. Miss his insightful commentary

4ever (Limerick) - Posts: 29 - 19/08/2019 18:51:15    2227646

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Replying To upthetreatyboys:  "Would brian ryan be worth a shot??"
He was by far the best minor up in the forwards of his crop. The group didn't achieve glory at under 21 level but himself and Kyle Hayes were the only 2 to be nominated for team of the year for that age group. I think that was just last year. I find it hard to believe the same lad isn't good enough to develop even for the bench at senior level. Maybe it has more to do with the style that kinnerk and Kiely want to play with. It might demand Having half backs (Hayes/Hegarty) in the half forwards.
Anyway Brian Ryan was definitely a fella I thought would at least make it off the bench.. One thing that Anthony Daly mentioned a story once in his column that made him come across like a bit of a hot head. Maybe Kiely and Co didn't like what they saw temprament wise. That's just me speculating

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 103 - 19/08/2019 19:31:54    2227653

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Replying To Mads:  "He was by far the best minor up in the forwards of his crop. The group didn't achieve glory at under 21 level but himself and Kyle Hayes were the only 2 to be nominated for team of the year for that age group. I think that was just last year. I find it hard to believe the same lad isn't good enough to develop even for the bench at senior level. Maybe it has more to do with the style that kinnerk and Kiely want to play with. It might demand Having half backs (Hayes/Hegarty) in the half forwards.
Anyway Brian Ryan was definitely a fella I thought would at least make it off the bench.. One thing that Anthony Daly mentioned a story once in his column that made him come across like a bit of a hot head. Maybe Kiely and Co didn't like what they saw temprament wise. That's just me speculating"
We'll need to change a few thinks for next year. You'd hope to get Flanagan in better form as a target man is worth a lot. Having said that our tactic of 6/7 half backs only works so far and any player that could really challenge from a high scoring point of view should be looked at.

Sugary_tae (Limerick) - Posts: 3 - 20/08/2019 10:03:36    2227789

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Replying To Sugary_tae:  "We'll need to change a few thinks for next year. You'd hope to get Flanagan in better form as a target man is worth a lot. Having said that our tactic of 6/7 half backs only works so far and any player that could really challenge from a high scoring point of view should be looked at."
Maybe barry nash back as a forward and not cover for the half back line . He was a great forward at underage and maybe could do a job when tom morrissey and the likes arent cutting the mustard . Lets hope we dont lose anymore of the management team now that joe o connor unfortunately has left . Hope kiely and kinnerk stay at the very least but all is quiet at the moment with false stories coming out in the media . Can these reporters not do a bit of research and confirmation first before releasing statements about the limerick management . We are all anxious to know what is happening so make sure of your facts first before releasing fake news .

WhipOnTheBall (Limerick) - Posts: 138 - 20/08/2019 16:22:15    2227938

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Replying To McFan88:  "Strange game, disappointed with Patrickswell in starting so poorly but credit to Kilmallock on their quick recovery since last week. Byrnes free taking, along with his shooting from general play has been an issue for club and county for the last few years. Great man to win his own ball and reads the game well but is too prone to hail mary wides. I was impressed with Mike Houlihan on Friday, a bit lightweight but could see him developing into a serious operator.

Andrew Carroll falls into the same bracket as Kevin O'Donnell, Mark Carmody, Alan Dempsey, John Fitz and a few others who are excellent club hurlers but haven't made the grade at county level. Others like Kevin O'Brien, Josh Ryan, Ronan Lynch and Adrian Breen haven't made it either but could be worth another look for Limerick.."
Was a good discussion about this on one of the gaa podcasts (examiner I think) last week. They were saying how, Jack Sherwood and Tommy Walsh for different reasons had been out of the Kerry panel and now being back a second time, suited them and their development better. Might be worth thinking about in terms of some of those names above.

Regards the Well- Kilmallock match, seems like Aaron Gillane is going to be out with broken jaw after the last minute tackle in that game. Will impact hugely on Patrickswells chances.

ancientrush (Limerick) - Posts: 22 - 20/08/2019 16:54:26    2227949

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Replying To WhipOnTheBall:  "Maybe barry nash back as a forward and not cover for the half back line . He was a great forward at underage and maybe could do a job when tom morrissey and the likes arent cutting the mustard . Lets hope we dont lose anymore of the management team now that joe o connor unfortunately has left . Hope kiely and kinnerk stay at the very least but all is quiet at the moment with false stories coming out in the media . Can these reporters not do a bit of research and confirmation first before releasing statements about the limerick management . We are all anxious to know what is happening so make sure of your facts first before releasing fake news ."
Completely agree especially regarding the media. Really hope we do secure the services of the 2 lads. Need a bit of continuity. Joe O'Connor is a big enough loss but you'd hope if Kiely and kinnerk stay then it's a loss we'd recover from.

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 103 - 20/08/2019 19:22:02    2228000

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Limerick can see now how good Kikenny are. They are bang average. If Kiely does one thing this summer its getting a forwards coach and get the wides below 10. Tipperary weren't given a game today. They hung in there when Kilkenny started like a train and just played cuter than Limerick. Limerick have let an All Ireland slip this year and dont let anyone tell ye otherwise."
You lads must be wondering what went wrong against Kilkenny. Limerick are the best team in the country and would have easily taken Tipp in the final. Kilkenny are an average side.

crafty (Galway) - Posts: 145 - 20/08/2019 22:02:14    2228031

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Replying To crafty:  "You lads must be wondering what went wrong against Kilkenny. Limerick are the best team in the country and would have easily taken Tipp in the final. Kilkenny are an average side."
Michael Donohue gone. Thought he'd have one more year. Opens door nicely for Anthony Daly I reckon.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 424 - 21/08/2019 00:16:34    2228055

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Getting a bit Nervous at moment with nothing coming out regarding Kiely staying, a lot of managers leaving counties. Just afraid Kiely may not be able to commit again. Where would that leave us>?

JohnMcArthur (Limerick) - Posts: 46 - 21/08/2019 08:33:49    2228075

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Replying To clooney:  "Can never be certain of course but can see why the Treaty men might well have regrets but in reality Limerick played poorly and management not sharp enough only one point in it of course"
Totally agree. All this talk about the panel and how ruthless the Limerick management are. Who made the first substitution in the All Ireland semi when well in control of the game..Cody. Dowling and Pat Ryan could have been on after 25mins.. ditto O Donovan after 30.
Besides all that,they didn't play well enough. Management said themselves that they needed something new to hold onto the title. 2019 was just a rehash of 2018 without the luck.
1. Same tactics
2. Same level of wides
3. Flanagan slightly worse.
4 . Gillane still missing goals.

Anyone watch O Mearas goal on Sunday can imagine Gillane, Hegarty and hayes in that position.. it wouldn't have been scored, simple as that. Gillane would have hit it at the keeper or over the bar ,then held his head at the shock of it all.
Hegarty would have telegraphed it so the goalie would have gone the right way and Hayes....well youd never know Hayes might have scored it but again..probably not.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1156 - 21/08/2019 11:20:36    2228137

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Replying To JohnMcArthur:  "Getting a bit Nervous at moment with nothing coming out regarding Kiely staying, a lot of managers leaving counties. Just afraid Kiely may not be able to commit again. Where would that leave us>?"
Richie Bennis might be enticed back if Kiely leaves.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1156 - 21/08/2019 11:23:45    2228138

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Totally agree. All this talk about the panel and how ruthless the Limerick management are. Who made the first substitution in the All Ireland semi when well in control of the game..Cody. Dowling and Pat Ryan could have been on after 25mins.. ditto O Donovan after 30.
Besides all that,they didn't play well enough. Management said themselves that they needed something new to hold onto the title. 2019 was just a rehash of 2018 without the luck.
1. Same tactics
2. Same level of wides
3. Flanagan slightly worse.
4 . Gillane still missing goals.

Anyone watch O Mearas goal on Sunday can imagine Gillane, Hegarty and hayes in that position.. it wouldn't have been scored, simple as that. Gillane would have hit it at the keeper or over the bar ,then held his head at the shock of it all.
Hegarty would have telegraphed it so the goalie would have gone the right way and Hayes....well youd never know Hayes might have scored it but again..probably not."
There are definitely plenty things to address ahead of next year. I suppose 2019 championship was so inconsistent, it might have been hard for management to assess how players are actually doing when we beat a few teams out the gate with virtually the same team and lost badly in a couple of others.
Certainly Kiely's Achilles heel seems to be not subbing on players when needed and allow them enough time to settle into the game and leave a mark. It was the same against Cork in our opening round.
Yes wides are a serious issue but for me in order to win the big games the imbalance of the full forward line firstly needs to be addressed. Gillane cannot do everything. In 2018 we created an overall higher number of opportunities from play and had numerous different scorers. This year in tight games we were overly reliant on frees.
If it's not Flanagan, someone needs to be in for a different focal point up front to work alongside Gillane, like Boylan perhaps.
Very difficult for a winning management team to change so much for the next year but I do think Kiely and kinnerk will Tweek things for next year if they take up the positions. They will have learned a lot.

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 103 - 21/08/2019 11:38:40    2228151

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Replying To daveboy:  "Michael Donohue gone. Thought he'd have one more year. Opens door nicely for Anthony Daly I reckon."
He wants the Clare job, he hinted at it a lot on his podcast, but the powers that be in Clare dont want him. He is more appreciated in Limerick and Galway and beyond that his own county. What a shame.

Kiely will stay I reckon.

What happened with Gillane?

Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 978 - 21/08/2019 11:57:33    2228159

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