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Replying To Damothedub: "Nasty , think this issue is bigger than petty squabbles" Agree with that, the fact that it's a Down club has nothing to do with it, it could be any county. The problem is what the hell is going through these players heads, second they must not be properly coached by management, I played in my time for management that I didn't like and tbh even if I met today I wouldn't speak to them, however I respected them. And that is all you need. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/10/2018 11:29:42 2145751 Link
Replying To Soma: "How many spectators would be at a regular club game in Dublin? One of these brawls was at a reserve game but there was still a big crowd there watching, and it's usually a slightly unhinged lad wound up by the crowd who starts these brawls." Dublin clubs games do not get anywhere near the crowds that are gotten down the country. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 09/10/2018 11:36:52 2145755 Link
Replying To ifindoubt: "Can people stop this nonsense of this violence doesn't happen in there County,it could happen anywhere. Could we please suggest adequate sanctions because this is violence has to stop.and personally I think Croke Park should step in and make the decision to take the pressure off the county board." Violence happens in every county. But I have to say I have never seen players jumping fences to attack supporters including women. Have you?? No county is immune, my own either. That's not the point. The point is someone has to take a stand. In this instance cb and hq. Ban the club that the players initially jumped fence for 12 months, the other club for 6 months Fine both clubs and ban the players involved for 24 months . May seem draconian but if we do not make a example then it will continue. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/10/2018 11:39:54 2145756 Link
Having being called a couple of things by spectators in the last couple of years playing adult GAA, I would have to say I want to win the next ball, score, and shut the mouthpiece on the sideline up much more than I wanted to go over the fence after him/her. Last year a game was starting to heat up, I had been given abuse by a supporter over (in my view anyway) a 50-50 challenge, I won the next ball and rattled the onion sack and ran out to my position on the wing right in front of the supporter. Didn't say a word, I had done my job but could tell this moron was absolutely sickened. It was probably the sweetest goal of my life. And we won. That is how you respond to abuse from the sideline, not hopping fences and swinging punches. I would however say that I think Wexford Hurling and football are generally clean, hard fought, but fair, and sledging from the supporters rarely happens in my view. I don't go out onto a pitch fearing for my safety anyway. Yes there's the odd free for all but definitely not a trend in my view. If it was, I would not be playing. I am 23 and there is better ways to spend your time than going out and being taunted, punched, kicked, etc. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 09/10/2018 12:04:04 2145760 Link
Read through the posts earlier including those from ones in their Ivory Towers that have never witnessed such scenes in their Counties. Went straight on to Google and googled said posters County followed by GAA brawl. Was very interesting what came up. In fact, I posted up 3 links to reports and a video - one for each of the 3 Counties. Unfortunately there seems to have been a glitch on the HS server at the particular time I got confirmation as it never appeared after. Though thinking about It now, one of the Counties was......Damn!!! Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/10/2018 21:00:45 2145834 Link
Replying To Offside_Rule: "Read through the posts earlier including those from ones in their Ivory Towers that have never witnessed such scenes in their Counties. Went straight on to Google and googled said posters County followed by GAA brawl. Was very interesting what came up. In fact, I posted up 3 links to reports and a video - one for each of the 3 Counties. Unfortunately there seems to have been a glitch on the HS server at the particular time I got confirmation as it never appeared after. Though thinking about It now, one of the Counties was......Damn!!!" News flash saying you haven't witnessed it doesn't mean it hasn't happened , plus newsflash from the tower I and others said WE hadn't witnessed it , we never said we attended every club game in the county, what is it posters like you that just can't get it through your ears , I haven't witnessed the violence described involving fans or women FACT Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 09/10/2018 22:12:18 2145842 Link
10 years ago it was 10 times worse. It's mostly hand bags these days. Not condoing it but when I started playing adult hurling and football there would be brawls in most games, now they are quite rare to be honest. I'm glad there wasnt the same use of camera phones 10/15 years ago. Go back further....for example look at the camross portlaosie clip on youtube and you realise that things were far worse again. People need to take their head out of the sand and realise this has always occured. It's not right but its far from new to the GAA. You have undreds of games every weekend...it will happen and a lot of the cips i have seen recently arent overly serious. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/10/2018 22:24:36 2145845 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "Dublin clubs games do not get anywhere near the crowds that are gotten down the country." Support is fading down the country too though. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 09/10/2018 22:26:08 2145846 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "News flash saying you haven't witnessed it doesn't mean it hasn't happened , plus newsflash from the tower I and others said WE hadn't witnessed it , we never said we attended every club game in the county, what is it posters like you that just can't get it through your ears , I haven't witnessed the violence described involving fans or women FACT" Your fact means nothing to me. I have attended 70+ club games across codes this season and have witnessed 0 brawls. By your logic then it's not an Antrim problem and I should be on here chastising individual Counties or Provinces. However I live in the real world. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/10/2018 22:38:31 2145851 Link
Replying To arock: "It seems in some parts of Ireland the Faction fight is alive and well and coming to a club near you real soon." The Dublin undesirables must be confined to UFC fights (when they're allowed to go that is, 53 gentleman from the Dublin area weren't even allowed board their flight to the US). ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 10/10/2018 04:04:34 2145864 Link
Replying To Offside_Rule: "Your fact means nothing to me. I have attended 70+ club games across codes this season and have witnessed 0 brawls. By your logic then it's not an Antrim problem and I should be on here chastising individual Counties or Provinces. However I live in the real world." Read the posts before spouting , I said this is a GAA problem and shouldn't be brought down to parochial pettiness, but some just can't help themselves Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/10/2018 08:08:22 2145872 Link
Don't post that big number of posts, but as a parent, you do have to question why you bring them to a sport where incidences like this can occur. Firstly, the power of some lads (20/25 years) from gym work is unreal and it is only time before someone is at best seriously hurt. Also i think as a sports organisation we are big enough to look at other sports and see some good rules that we can adapt or bring to our game. 3 things for me, First would be like aussie rule ( I think) ball brought forward 50 mtr for arguing refs decision Second be only one nominated player (caption) can speak to ref, (like Rugby) Third, except for start of each half, get rid of throw ball between too players ( why throw the ball up between what ends up everybody except the 2 goalies) madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 10/10/2018 09:04:30 2145881 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Read the posts before spouting , I said this is a GAA problem and shouldn't be brought down to parochial pettiness, but some just can't help themselves" You seem to have taken my original post as a personal attack on you - this despite I never mentioned any poster, nor any County. It was aimed at the people who look for any reason to have their dig at the big bad "Nordies" - the ones who spout vitriol at every turn around - the usual suspects who you could script their responses on certain issues. At least on here is Moderated and we don't have to read their deep rooted feelings on such issues but you just have to jump over to Twitter to see some of the comments which are nothing short of a disgrace and shows the how much hatred there is for anything north of Dundalk. Having said that I would not be in the slightest bit shocked if I was told some of the comments I read on Twitter were from people who also had an account on here. So if you weren't one of these "doesn't happen in my backyard" people then don't get upset about my comment as it wasn't aimed at you. I still stand by it though. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 10/10/2018 09:39:10 2145886 Link
good discussion on off the ball last night.enda mcginley and declan bogue both saying it is worse now,when they were playing lads were trying to win the ball but now it is all about physicality,gym culture,nonsense. it is definitely worse than it used to be,in certain counties,that is for sure. unfortunately,county boards are made up of clubs,they will gladly find a scapegoat rather than throw a club out.these issues need to be taken above county boards.maybe a referee should have a "refer to central council" option for such serious incidents?take the potential for bias,etc out of it and better chance of facts being dealt with rather than the usual "he's not that kind of player", "they aren't that kind of team", nonsense? perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 10/10/2018 09:42:40 2145887 Link
wasn't the third man in rule brought in some years ago to try and stop brawls from occurring, two players having a scuffle if a third person joins in the automatically get a red card. Obviously this rule hasn't had the desired affect. I can never understand guys rushing in swinging, there are definitely tempremental issues with some guys. You often see guys nice as pie but once they cross the white line become so aggressive, then once the game is over switch back. Wonder why some guys wouldn't ever think of striking a lad in the office or on a night out, but the think its perfectly acceptable to hit a lad a dig on a football field. Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 10/10/2018 09:45:42 2145891 Link
Replying To Offside_Rule: "You seem to have taken my original post as a personal attack on you - this despite I never mentioned any poster, nor any County. It was aimed at the people who look for any reason to have their dig at the big bad "Nordies" - the ones who spout vitriol at every turn around - the usual suspects who you could script their responses on certain issues. At least on here is Moderated and we don't have to read their deep rooted feelings on such issues but you just have to jump over to Twitter to see some of the comments which are nothing short of a disgrace and shows the how much hatred there is for anything north of Dundalk. Having said that I would not be in the slightest bit shocked if I was told some of the comments I read on Twitter were from people who also had an account on here. So if you weren't one of these "doesn't happen in my backyard" people then don't get upset about my comment as it wasn't aimed at you. I still stand by it though." Fair enough point taken, I have in a previous discussion talked about some horrific violence I've seen on the pitch in Dublin maybe I've been lucky not to witness crowd getting involved , I remember posting a few years back about Wicklow were there have been more than a few incidents which I heard first hand from a ref friend of mine , again I will bring this back to county boards , these guys have no issue putting out huge bans and at the drop of a hat will try to get a county player of with GBH when it suits Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/10/2018 11:12:05 2145909 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Fair enough point taken, I have in a previous discussion talked about some horrific violence I've seen on the pitch in Dublin maybe I've been lucky not to witness crowd getting involved , I remember posting a few years back about Wicklow were there have been more than a few incidents which I heard first hand from a ref friend of mine , again I will bring this back to county boards , these guys have no issue putting out huge bans and at the drop of a hat will try to get a county player of with GBH when it suits" Yeah look I don't disagree with the sentiment of this topic. There should be no place for these types of scenes anywhere in our games. Personally speaking I don't think this is any worse that it was 20+ years ago when I was playing and if I was being honest would say some scenes I witnessed in the past would put some of the videos doing the rounds to shame. That is in no way trying to justify or glorify what went on back then or in the games in Derry and Down over the past week or two but I suppose it does show how the advancement in technology from my playing days have meant such scenes now make their way to a much wider audience. As someone else pointed out somewhere else, the GAA governing bodies at National and County level will happily dish out fines for the likes of too many team officials on a line, managers crossing over on to the field of play and hand out Draconian suspensions over things like genuine clerical mistakes or similar. Yet when it comes to violence it gets put in to the skeleton cupboard. I've no doubt we will see some sort of token knee-jerk response though given the air time this is getting up here. Heck, even Jamie/Seamie Bryson has given his thoughts on it! Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 10/10/2018 11:40:15 2145915 Link
Pictures today of more cowardly thuggery in a laois hurling match with a fella getting two teeth knocked out of his head from the butt of a hurley. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 10/10/2018 12:37:17 2145923 Link
Point above re central council dealing with these things is nail on head. Referee should have a tick box option to refer a brawl to central council rather than a county board dealing with it. If it happens in a county semi final for example, no matter how disgraceful the scenes, the winning club will want to avoid suspensions for final rather come what may, rather than accept punishments or feel any shame in what they were involved in. If it was taken above the county board level, this nonsense would be wiped out very quickly. Must listen back to Off The Ball. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 10/10/2018 14:01:12 2145945 Link
Replying To perfect10: "good discussion on off the ball last night.enda mcginley and declan bogue both saying it is worse now,when they were playing lads were trying to win the ball but now it is all about physicality,gym culture,nonsense. it is definitely worse than it used to be,in certain counties,that is for sure. unfortunately,county boards are made up of clubs,they will gladly find a scapegoat rather than throw a club out.these issues need to be taken above county boards.maybe a referee should have a "refer to central council" option for such serious incidents?take the potential for bias,etc out of it and better chance of facts being dealt with rather than the usual "he's not that kind of player", "they aren't that kind of team", nonsense?" From my experiences through 30 odd years of playing I don't think it's any worse than when I started out. There were always certain games/rivalries that had the potential to spill over and that's the same today. One thing that has changed is suspensions though. Back in the day you could have expected a 3 month suspension for throwing a punch or two, now its 2 or 4 match ban depending on the severity and even then it will be competition based and the player can go about his game in the other code or grade. You were banned from all competitions back in the day. There may have been an unfairness with the older version but I still think we're too lenient in some cases. Our neighbours have had players sent off against us in league games only for the same lads to line out in championship a few weeks later with no real implications and that needs to change. The disciplinary committees are indeed made up of well meaning volunteers from clubs themselves who by the laws of averages have been involved in similar incidents and the base instinct is not to see too hard of a precedent as my club could be on the receiving end some day. The GAA need to involve the legal profession to set up a disciplinary process not so full of holes that can be circumvented by both GAA committees to suit certain people and to put clubs off appealing every whim. bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 10/10/2018 16:37:05 2145971 Link