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Over 50,000 At LFGA Final

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They just broke last years attendance record and for the first time crossed the 50k mark. To put this into perspective it's more then the crowd that turned up to Monaghan v tyrone in the men's semi final and only 4k less then Dublin v galway could draw.

There's obviously a bit of an Irish revolution going on in terms of womans sport in this country and it's great to see. Have to say as a spectacle it's also enjoyable to watch. Something i wouldn't have said 10 years ago.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 16/09/2018 16:47:12    2141996

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Although it's great to see it's no sign of a revolution just free tickets being given to schools/clubs and good promotion by the LGFA.

To put things in perspective there were only a few hundred at the semi finals and quarter finals.

A revolution would be getting 10s of thousands attending other championship game and it becoming a regular occurence.

Apologies for seeming like I'm putting a downer on things.

FreddieFreeloader (Offaly) - Posts: 17 - 16/09/2018 17:32:40    2142007

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Replying To FreddieFreeloader:  "Although it's great to see it's no sign of a revolution just free tickets being given to schools/clubs and good promotion by the LGFA.

To put things in perspective there were only a few hundred at the semi finals and quarter finals.

A revolution would be getting 10s of thousands attending other championship game and it becoming a regular occurence.

Apologies for seeming like I'm putting a downer on things."
Maybe if you said something positive, very few free tickets, a lot of very low priced tickets very good deals on group tickets and that is how you grow a game/sport. Get the bums on in seats and then entertain them, they will come back and want to play simple. And it is working well.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 16/09/2018 17:41:17    2142009

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Replying To arock:  "Maybe if you said something positive, very few free tickets, a lot of very low priced tickets very good deals on group tickets and that is how you grow a game/sport. Get the bums on in seats and then entertain them, they will come back and want to play simple. And it is working well."
How come almost nobody goes to the matches in the earlier knockout rounds.

I hope the womens codes keep growing and continually get big crowds but what is wrong with pointing out the truth that the figure is not really a true reflection of general interest and is inflated through good marketing for a one-off game.

FreddieFreeloader (Offaly) - Posts: 17 - 16/09/2018 17:48:17    2142014

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Great match, put the camogie final the week before to shame. Dublin and Cork are the two biggest populated counties in the country so they have the support to bring in an attendance like that, but still some effort to breach the 50k mark.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 16/09/2018 18:47:40    2142022

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Replying To arock:  "Maybe if you said something positive, very few free tickets, a lot of very low priced tickets very good deals on group tickets and that is how you grow a game/sport. Get the bums on in seats and then entertain them, they will come back and want to play simple. And it is working well."
Last year was what 45'000? I've seen nothing to suggest that crowds are up across the board for early rounds this year. It's great to see big crowds in the finals, but it's fair to say that it hasn't grown interest in the sport, just interest in the finals.

Also there's no point saying "a better attendance than X or Y football match" since those games weren't treble headers with the supports of 6 teams added together.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1647 - 16/09/2018 19:46:40    2142043

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Replying To FreddieFreeloader:  "How come almost nobody goes to the matches in the earlier knockout rounds.

I hope the womens codes keep growing and continually get big crowds but what is wrong with pointing out the truth that the figure is not really a true reflection of general interest and is inflated through good marketing for a one-off game."
The average age of the attendees are a heck of a lot younger than most other sports, they require parents to take them there and back. A large cohort of the very young attendees are actual players who play the games at the weekends. Hence the embargo on games on All Ireland final days - so there is a different dynamic to these games than the mens. What is wrong with making a spectacle of the sport? You seem to be suggesting their efforts are shrouded in some sort of mystery, there is none. They are trying their hardest to promote their sport, a little recognition for their efforts might help them further. The truth as you say has no context to it, a different sport altogether where participation figures are far more important than spectators.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 16/09/2018 20:17:56    2142048

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They'd need Dublin in the final if they were to consistently have those numbers up

PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 16/09/2018 20:29:50    2142052

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Replying To PyatPree:  "They'd need Dublin in the final if they were to consistently have those numbers up"
Or mayo but with what's going on here we will be lucky to see the mayo ladies in a final in near future.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 16/09/2018 21:03:36    2142055

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Replying To arock:  "The average age of the attendees are a heck of a lot younger than most other sports, they require parents to take them there and back. A large cohort of the very young attendees are actual players who play the games at the weekends. Hence the embargo on games on All Ireland final days - so there is a different dynamic to these games than the mens. What is wrong with making a spectacle of the sport? You seem to be suggesting their efforts are shrouded in some sort of mystery, there is none. They are trying their hardest to promote their sport, a little recognition for their efforts might help them further. The truth as you say has no context to it, a different sport altogether where participation figures are far more important than spectators."
My initial reply was to a poster who said there was a revolution going on in irish sport with their being big attendances at the last 2 finals.

I was simply arguing that it's not really an indication of a revolution as the final attendances figures are once a year events and barely any people attend Ladies Football and Camogie games in general.

I think it's great there is such a big crowd I was just questioning that the point about there being a revolution as the figures attending the finals are completely out of line with the general interest with womens football in general, a revolution in my opinion would be big attendances all year round and this has not happened yet.

FreddieFreeloader (Offaly) - Posts: 17 - 16/09/2018 22:20:45    2142080

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Or mayo but with what's going on here we will be lucky to see the mayo ladies in a final in near future."
Bit unfair targeting one club up there, they should think of the other players on that team, im sure once its sorted Mayo ladies will be force for sure, outside of Dublin, Mayo have a great following

PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 16/09/2018 22:49:19    2142089

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Reality is this attendance is sugnificantly boosted by discounted tickets etc.......great attendance but it can't be compared to the All Ireland football semi finals, compared the fare receipts between the two as a fairer comparison.

When you look at some of the early rounds in TG4 there are very small attendances even at the q and semi finals which are probably a better indication if the games as a 'spectator' as opposed to participant sport.......as I said it was a great attendance for them but the context shouldn't be lost

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 17/09/2018 08:58:19    2142113

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "Reality is this attendance is sugnificantly boosted by discounted tickets etc.......great attendance but it can't be compared to the All Ireland football semi finals, compared the fare receipts between the two as a fairer comparison.

When you look at some of the early rounds in TG4 there are very small attendances even at the q and semi finals which are probably a better indication if the games as a 'spectator' as opposed to participant sport.......as I said it was a great attendance for them but the context shouldn't be lost"
I see what you're saying. I'd bring my girls to see the Jackies a few times a year and there's very few at the games.

However 50k plus at the finals is still a major achievement by the LGFA. The context I'd look at is that there were only a few hundred at the finals in the 80s and now they've increased to 50k. Even the last Dublin/Cork final had less than 30k in attendance. Whatever way you look at it the LGFA are doing something right.

People should remember also that Ladies Football only began in the 70s so is a relatively young sport too and is growing all across the country. With new clubs, and new teams within clubs popping up all the time.

Days like yesterday are vital in inspiring young girls to play sport which is something we can all agree is a good thing.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 17/09/2018 11:07:02    2142164

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Replying To PaudieSull1:  "Reality is this attendance is sugnificantly boosted by discounted tickets etc.......great attendance but it can't be compared to the All Ireland football semi finals, compared the fare receipts between the two as a fairer comparison.

When you look at some of the early rounds in TG4 there are very small attendances even at the q and semi finals which are probably a better indication if the games as a 'spectator' as opposed to participant sport.......as I said it was a great attendance for them but the context shouldn't be lost"
It's true that the attendance at the earlier rounds of the ladies championship are not well attended by comparison to mens football, but the attendance at finals in recent years is reflective of the efforts of the LGFA to turn the finals into a showpiece event. No ladies fixtures are allowed the day of the finals, and clubs are actively encouraged to attend from every county, not just those competing.
As for discounted tickets, surely that makes perfect sense. Anyway, you could get an U-16 ticket for the mens all Ireland semi finals for 5 euro, and group tickets for adults at discounted prices for the Davin stand, so they are available there too.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 17/09/2018 11:23:19    2142176

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Every affliated ladies club is levied €150 at the start of the year that gets you an All Ireland final voucher. The voucher can be exchanged for final tickets in August. When using the voucher the u16 tickets are €5 and the adults are standard price €25. That means the voucher can be exchanged for 20 u16's and 2 adults.

Given that every ladies club in ireland must pay this levy, these tickets are effectively free. That's why you'll see loads of neutrals as clubs send can send an underage sqauad and two coaches for frr. I've been a few times myself and it's an enjoyable day out - the young girls get to see a game in Croke Park.

But if the levy for tickets thing was discontinued that attendance would plummit.

ShinerMackey (Tyrone) - Posts: 14 - 17/09/2018 11:47:26    2142187

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Yes, I would think close to half who were there had free tickets of some sort. I was there for all 3 games, great day out for kids, great day for those involved with the 6 county teams in the 3 finals, but for me none of the games were great from a spectators point of view. It does not have the intensity or bite, or the hits. If the senior final was a standalone fixture would there be 20k supporters who would pay to go?

martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 500 - 17/09/2018 12:16:33    2142195

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The game was a great watch, off the ball running, tackling, great scores. It reminded me of how men's Gaelic Football used to be played. Great entertainment. The standard is very high.

I don't think it matters if a handful of people went to the earlier games. The biggest day in the LGFA had an impressive attendance and a great game. Well done to all concerned.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 17/09/2018 12:22:23    2142198

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Valerie Mulcahy makes the same point I was making.

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/290443

FreddieFreeloader (Offaly) - Posts: 17 - 17/09/2018 13:07:16    2142212

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Replying To martinjoe:  "Yes, I would think close to half who were there had free tickets of some sort. I was there for all 3 games, great day out for kids, great day for those involved with the 6 county teams in the 3 finals, but for me none of the games were great from a spectators point of view. It does not have the intensity or bite, or the hits. If the senior final was a standalone fixture would there be 20k supporters who would pay to go?"
rules of the ladies game are that it is non contact, which allows for a more free flowing game. Also not that many ladies teams have opted for the blanket defence, so it can be a much better spectacle than a lot of the games we had to watch in this years All Ireland.

The ladies GAA I think are a bit more forward thinking that their male counterparts, I remember I was in Dublin last year around the time of the ladies final and all down Dorset St were banners of players form various counties, even if you knew nothing about the game you would realise there was a big game on, In Dublin this year the day before the mens AI final you would have hardly known there was a big game the next day. Obviously the ladies game is not as well established as the mens game, but thanks to the help of TG4, Lidl etc the game has been growing greatly over the last number of years. participation numbers have grown greatly and the quality of the football continues to improve. I think there is still a kind of snobbery from men in relation to women's football that they don't think the standard is any good and why would they want to go and watch what they deem to be rubbish football. We had a mixed 7's competition in my club this year and all the guys were generally stunned by the standard of some of the ladies they were up against.

Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 18/09/2018 10:52:36    2142395

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Replying To ShinerMackey:  "Every affliated ladies club is levied €150 at the start of the year that gets you an All Ireland final voucher. The voucher can be exchanged for final tickets in August. When using the voucher the u16 tickets are €5 and the adults are standard price €25. That means the voucher can be exchanged for 20 u16's and 2 adults.

Given that every ladies club in ireland must pay this levy, these tickets are effectively free. That's why you'll see loads of neutrals as clubs send can send an underage sqauad and two coaches for frr. I've been a few times myself and it's an enjoyable day out - the young girls get to see a game in Croke Park.

But if the levy for tickets thing was discontinued that attendance would plummit."
So you are saying they shouldn't do this? or are you just rubbishing their game as usual? 50,000 is actually 50,000 they were not press ganged or forced in at gun point. The horror of 50,000 must be justified and qualified and belittled because I can see no other reason for you writing what you did. There was 50K in the ground, next year there will be 60+ that is how you grow a game, make it more appealing, more inclusive, more enjoyable, more entertaining. OK so now back to the mens game....yawn.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 18/09/2018 12:11:41    2142420

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