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I will never understand why the GAA goes for 'half-baked' efforts such as this, when better options are available.
To recap - the biggest issue with the 2018 schedule was that two teams with byes in rounds 1 and 5 played matches on four consecutive weekends. In addition, two other teams with byes in rounds 2 and 4, played 'three in succession' - while only the team with the 'middle bye' got to play two matches on either side of the break.
The problem I see with the 2019 tweak is that, while it eliminates the need for four consecutive outings, a pair of counties will still be scheduled for the three rounds played on one side of the week's break. Why not reduce to 'two back-to-back' for all teams instead ? Also, the 'bye teams' in the round either side of the 'break for all' will not play for three weeks in the tight six-week schedule - that's just pure daft !
A better change would have had a different 'set of 3 byes' in rounds 2 and 4, which would have required all five teams to play a maximum 'two matches on the hop'.
Simply put, the 'bye schedule' over the six weeks could have been as follows -
A, BCD, E, ABC, D, E.
Then, with E playing in the only match in rounds 2 and 4 ( v A and D, respecrively), the other 8 pairings could be scheduled for the other 4 rounds.
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I was thinking something similar myself when I heard about the tweak.
If Tipp get screwed again in 2019 I will be enraged. I wouldn't put it past the Munster council not to take the 2018 fixtures into consideration.
Tipp and Waterford were the suckers playing 4 weeks in a row and funilly enough they finished 4th and 5th.
When we played our 4th game against Clare in week 4 they were coming back after a week off.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 16/09/2018 17:24:21
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Replying To omahant: "I will never understand why the GAA goes for 'half-baked' efforts such as this, when better options are available.
To recap - the biggest issue with the 2018 schedule was that two teams with byes in rounds 1 and 5 played matches on four consecutive weekends. In addition, two other teams with byes in rounds 2 and 4, played 'three in succession' - while only the team with the 'middle bye' got to play two matches on either side of the break.
The problem I see with the 2019 tweak is that, while it eliminates the need for four consecutive outings, a pair of counties will still be scheduled for the three rounds played on one side of the week's break. Why not reduce to 'two back-to-back' for all teams instead ? Also, the 'bye teams' in the round either side of the 'break for all' will not play for three weeks in the tight six-week schedule - that's just pure daft !
A better change would have had a different 'set of 3 byes' in rounds 2 and 4, which would have required all five teams to play a maximum 'two matches on the hop'.
Simply put, the 'bye schedule' over the six weeks could have been as follows -
A, BCD, E, ABC, D, E.
Then, with E playing in the only match in rounds 2 and 4 ( v A and D, respecrively), the other 8 pairings could be scheduled for the other 4 rounds." Your method is much better.
The reason these things happen though is that the people involved are not particularly good at thinking things through ahead of time and so only deal with problems as they appear without anticipating them in advance.
The relegation system in place for this competition is a joke still also.
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I couldnt believe it when I saw that that they added an extra week yet some teams will play 3 in a row. Do they not read these forums for the simple soloutions.
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To Wham -
I would like if the 5-match NHL schedule was merged with the 4-match Provs, so a full 9-match round robin could be played over a similar combined timeframe by the Prov 10 teams.
Top 6 of 10 could advance to AI KO - with 2 highest-placed teams in the respective Provs still playing in double-chance Prov Finals - 2 losers to play the other two of the Top 6 in AI QFs.
Of all our fantasy ideas - this could have the greatest 'potential' for adoption. Certain Inter-Prov pairings are quite attractive and would draw better crowds than when played as part of the NHL.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2605 - 16/09/2018 22:43:08
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Replying To Whammo86: "Your method is much better.
The reason these things happen though is that the people involved are not particularly good at thinking things through ahead of time and so only deal with problems as they appear without anticipating them in advance.
The relegation system in place for this competition is a joke still also." I believe it goes a bit further. These people involved don't care about equality and fairness. If they did surly there would be more though and more consultation. A poster on here can come up with a better arrangement and I am sure he did not spend as many man hours reaching it. Do they have any shame ? I am sure we will get some half baked explanation.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2662 - 16/09/2018 22:58:12
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Replying To omahant: "I will never understand why the GAA goes for 'half-baked' efforts such as this, when better options are available.
To recap - the biggest issue with the 2018 schedule was that two teams with byes in rounds 1 and 5 played matches on four consecutive weekends. In addition, two other teams with byes in rounds 2 and 4, played 'three in succession' - while only the team with the 'middle bye' got to play two matches on either side of the break.
The problem I see with the 2019 tweak is that, while it eliminates the need for four consecutive outings, a pair of counties will still be scheduled for the three rounds played on one side of the week's break. Why not reduce to 'two back-to-back' for all teams instead ? Also, the 'bye teams' in the round either side of the 'break for all' will not play for three weeks in the tight six-week schedule - that's just pure daft !
A better change would have had a different 'set of 3 byes' in rounds 2 and 4, which would have required all five teams to play a maximum 'two matches on the hop'.
Simply put, the 'bye schedule' over the six weeks could have been as follows -
A, BCD, E, ABC, D, E.
Then, with E playing in the only match in rounds 2 and 4 ( v A and D, respecrively), the other 8 pairings could be scheduled for the other 4 rounds." This is actually perfect as noone plays more than two weeks running, its still played off in six weeks and there is still a game every week for TV. A very fair playing field, which I expext the GAA to completely ignore.
If this is applied to Leinster also, you still have two hurling games every week
galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 17/09/2018 06:53:19
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Replying To Killarney.87: "I was thinking something similar myself when I heard about the tweak.
If Tipp get screwed again in 2019 I will be enraged. I wouldn't put it past the Munster council not to take the 2018 fixtures into consideration.
Tipp and Waterford were the suckers playing 4 weeks in a row and funilly enough they finished 4th and 5th.
When we played our 4th game against Clare in week 4 they were coming back after a week off." In fairness when Tipp, did not turn up for the League Final against Kilkenny and then lost to Limerick the first day their season was already in trouble. The fact that they had to get the outrageous break they got against an injury ravaged Waterford should surely make up for any impositions the schedule of games caused them. Having said all that I think the whole should be looked at again.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 17/09/2018 09:08:00
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Replying To ZUL10: "I couldnt believe it when I saw that that they added an extra week yet some teams will play 3 in a row. Do they not read these forums for the simple soloutions." i would say if you raise it with your co board rep,he would be only to happy to get it on the county board agenda?
i doubt the gaa committes spend hours trawling message boards for solutions.
if you have the ideas,go join a committee.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 17/09/2018 09:18:42
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Replying To Oldtourman: "In fairness when Tipp, did not turn up for the League Final against Kilkenny and then lost to Limerick the first day their season was already in trouble. The fact that they had to get the outrageous break they got against an injury ravaged Waterford should surely make up for any impositions the schedule of games caused them. Having said all that I think the whole should be looked at again." In fairness you won't find to many Tipp people using as an excuse. A break after every game wasnt going to win us anything last year. Terrible year for us. It should eb another cracking cship in 2019 in Munster though. There's no one team you could say with any great confidence that would beat another.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 17/09/2018 14:22:18
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Replying To Oldtourman: "In fairness when Tipp, did not turn up for the League Final against Kilkenny and then lost to Limerick the first day their season was already in trouble. The fact that they had to get the outrageous break they got against an injury ravaged Waterford should surely make up for any impositions the schedule of games caused them. Having said all that I think the whole should be looked at again." We were terrible this year for whatever reason, only Michael Ryan and the players will really know.
I'm just looking for fairness in the scheduling of fixtures regardless of how badly prepared we were or will be in the future.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 17/09/2018 14:29:24
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Replying To perfect10: "i would say if you raise it with your co board rep,he would be only to happy to get it on the county board agenda?
i doubt the gaa committes spend hours trawling message boards for solutions.
if you have the ideas,go join a committee." You are correct that these committees probably don't spend time trawling messages boards. They should not need to as they are trusted and expected to come up with the best solutions. Which raises the question about their qualification or commitment to do the right thing. I know, go and get involved and get elected but that is not for everyone. These committees members went forward and their feet should be held to the fire.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2662 - 17/09/2018 15:35:19
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Replying To tiobraid: "In fairness you won't find to many Tipp people using as an excuse. A break after every game wasnt going to win us anything last year. Terrible year for us. It should eb another cracking cship in 2019 in Munster though. There's no one team you could say with any great confidence that would beat another." Well all that is entirely true. I am looking forward to the coming championship already
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 17/09/2018 15:48:32
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Replying To Canuck: "You are correct that these committees probably don't spend time trawling messages boards. They should not need to as they are trusted and expected to come up with the best solutions. Which raises the question about their qualification or commitment to do the right thing. I know, go and get involved and get elected but that is not for everyone. These committees members went forward and their feet should be held to the fire." Instead, the ideas are flying in from 3,000 miles, where the sender is physically far from the coal !
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2605 - 17/09/2018 20:51:51
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Replying To omahant: "Instead, the ideas are flying in from 3,000 miles, where the sender is physically far from the coal !" Does it matter where the ideas come from if they make sense and are good. That attitude is typical of some GAA hierarchy and supporters. Send us your money but keep your mouth shut because you know nothing. There are thousands of people outside of Ireland adding to the coffers through GAAGO and supporter clubs etc. who are not in a position to be actively involved. Again on the subject of the tweak to the SHC, there should be an expectation on the powers that be just not to get a solution but get the best one. Of course that will always be subjective. Hence the discussion.
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Just read the Munster SH fixtures for 2019, looks like Tipp and Waterford are playing three weeks in a row again. Not as bad as 4 in a row, but still.
I think next year, teams will be taking a very different approach to the league, especially in 1A. Teams will be pacing themselves more carefully in the league next year, and making the league knockout stages will not be something they need, especially teams like Waterford and Tipp who'll be starting the Munster SHC even earlier next year, and have 3 games on the trot. If Tipp end up getting relegated from 1A next year, it won't bother me.
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 18/09/2018 19:03:11
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Replying To Marlon_JD: "Just read the Munster SH fixtures for 2019, looks like Tipp and Waterford are playing three weeks in a row again. Not as bad as 4 in a row, but still.
I think next year, teams will be taking a very different approach to the league, especially in 1A. Teams will be pacing themselves more carefully in the league next year, and making the league knockout stages will not be something they need, especially teams like Waterford and Tipp who'll be starting the Munster SHC even earlier next year, and have 3 games on the trot. If Tipp end up getting relegated from 1A next year, it won't bother me." Again it is got wrong. The team who gets their break after two games have an advantage. Not equal or fair. Three in a row is when injuries, discipline etc. become a problem. One team gets a leg up before a ball is struck. There is no need for this as Amahants draw shows.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2662 - 18/09/2018 20:03:10
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Replying To Canuck: "Does it matter where the ideas come from if they make sense and are good. That attitude is typical of some GAA hierarchy and supporters. Send us your money but keep your mouth shut because you know nothing. There are thousands of people outside of Ireland adding to the coffers through GAAGO and supporter clubs etc. who are not in a position to be actively involved. Again on the subject of the tweak to the SHC, there should be an expectation on the powers that be just not to get a solution but get the best one. Of course that will always be subjective. Hence the discussion." Not sure I understand the reply.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2605 - 18/09/2018 21:13:08
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Replying To Marlon_JD: "Just read the Munster SH fixtures for 2019, looks like Tipp and Waterford are playing three weeks in a row again. Not as bad as 4 in a row, but still.
I think next year, teams will be taking a very different approach to the league, especially in 1A. Teams will be pacing themselves more carefully in the league next year, and making the league knockout stages will not be something they need, especially teams like Waterford and Tipp who'll be starting the Munster SHC even earlier next year, and have 3 games on the trot. If Tipp end up getting relegated from 1A next year, it won't bother me." Yes, you are right - if the break week is June 2 - Tipp and Water have three on the trot.
But, if the break is May 26 - they could stick it to Lime and Clare instead.
Either way - my native Cork gets two matches on each side of a two-week break in the middle - so yes, life is good !
While Tipp/Water had no break in 2018, two teams will be off for two consecutive weeks in 2019, giving unintended advantages to those drawing the long straw.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2605 - 18/09/2018 21:40:38
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Replying To Killarney.87: "I was thinking something similar myself when I heard about the tweak.
If Tipp get screwed again in 2019 I will be enraged. I wouldn't put it past the Munster council not to take the 2018 fixtures into consideration.
Tipp and Waterford were the suckers playing 4 weeks in a row and funilly enough they finished 4th and 5th.
When we played our 4th game against Clare in week 4 they were coming back after a week off." 'Similar' - means like my idea ? So, what exactly were you thinking ?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2605 - 18/09/2018 23:25:48
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