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These awards lost all credibility in 1994 (before I was born, but heard all about it), when Brian Whelehan got hurler of the year but no all star. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 13/09/2018 21:57:26 2141560 Link 0 |
Were they ever credible. You do not win All Stars-they are given out. You win matches and competitions. Look at the guys who decide -most never even played the game. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 14/09/2018 01:01:45 2141591 Link 3 |
I don't see Joe getting it atall Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 14/09/2018 09:06:43 2141609 Link 0 |
Better still, Brian Whelehan got an All-Star at full forward in 1998. I think he played in that position for the last 20 minutes of the final
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 14/09/2018 13:00:04 2141691 Link 0 |
always said individual accolades,including man of the match,all stars,captains speeches,etc were nonsense.i stand by that. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 14/09/2018 14:07:19 2141712 Link 1 |
I think that one of the two limerick corner backs, English or Finn, should have been nominated for hurler of the year. This was limericks most improved area since falling short with good teams in 2013 and especially 2014. John Kiely was very brave bringing these to guys in and dropping more established members of the full back line who were clearly a weakness. I think Flanagan and Mulcahy were excellent all year also. Cian lynch was very composed in his play this year and showed leadership. My three nominees would have been lynch, Finn and Joe canning. This was cannings best year since 2012. Can't believe Joseph Cooney didn't even get an all star nomination. HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 14/09/2018 17:01:56 2141765 Link 0 |
All county hurlers from the year will have 1 vote each, and the captain of Limericks vote is worth the same as the sub goalkeeper in Cavan. Funnily enough the people who often watch the fewest games are the players themselves so how you played in the semi final and final tends to make a big difference.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 14/09/2018 20:53:16 2141800 Link 0 |
I'd agree to a point. A lot of the dog work done by certain players isn't recognised, and the scorers usually get most of the recognition. However, I will say there's a reason some lads are doing the dirty work and other lads are there for the scores. The more talented hurlers like Canning and Reid which you mentioned, will end up being the scorers on teams as they're better players. John Power as good as he was, could never be a DJ Carey. Joseph Cooney couldn't do what Canning does as effectively. Teams will put their best players in the most important roles in the team. Workers are generally more replaceable than high level scorers. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2036 - 15/09/2018 07:21:47 2141843 Link 0 |
Canning by far the best player in the country this year. and was last year too. its his moments of magic that win games. its what all the great players can do. its a ridiculous argument even. clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 425 - 16/09/2018 06:14:27 2141934 Link 0 |
Can someone actually explain to me why Mannion deserves it? I don't see it. Don't get me wrong, very good half back, but HOTY?? Why? He was awful in the final too. Gave the ball away alot, got burnt badly a few times, caught out of position, fouled often and should have been sent off for a second yellow for throwing the hurley at Dowling.
blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 17/09/2018 03:00:20 2142102 Link 0 |
i dunno,a lot of counties have (and always had) players who could win matches but they could never get on the ball.they needed the savage who would go through a wall to win a ball.winning primary posession is a much a factor in winning a match as putting the ball over the bar or in the net. a team is the sum of its parts.you play players based on their strengths. the flip side for me is,dj carey could never have been a john power.i know it could be argued "why would he be when he scores goals,etc" but for me,both are equally important in a team. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 17/09/2018 09:22:47 2142125 Link 0 |
Mannion was quite good in the final imo, especially considering the amount of pressure that Limerick put him under. If anything compliments Mannion's level all year, it was the degree to which Limerick targeted him for negation in their gameplan for the final. I thought he survived it well.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3410 - 17/09/2018 11:38:35 2142183 Link 1 |
Excellent up to smei final imo but I'd agree with you especially on his final performance and semi final he wasnt at the top of his game either. Who would you give it too? Is it just me that beleives Hannon was the standout player this year? tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 17/09/2018 14:16:08 2142233 Link 0 |
Don't worry I have a small few quid on him. Not that I agree with it by any stretch but it seems obvious now he will get it.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 17/09/2018 14:17:34 2142234 Link 0 |
I was on the Mulcahy train but I agree Hannon was up there. If i was to be really objective about it, Conlon and Harnedy were right up there
blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 18/09/2018 03:34:38 2142341 Link 0 |
The case for Graeme Mulcahy is that he combined work horse with skillful hurling more effeciently than anybody else in the eventual champions.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 18/09/2018 18:54:54 2142559 Link 0 |
I'd say that DJ would've done a very fine job as a 'dirty' ball winner. He had a lot of the qualities needed. Joe and TJ would be the same. They're just so much more useful in their preferred roles. The point I'd make is that these players would do a better job in that role, than current workers would do in their roles. The very best hurlers could almost be placed anywhere and be effective.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2036 - 18/09/2018 20:24:34 2142571 Link 0 |
I wouldn't agree with that assessment. I think Joe & DJ are more 'similar', in that they like/liked to play in space, and don't/didn't particularly seek out physical contact, or indeed thrive with it. In contrast, I think TJ Reid is quite good at stepping in, and being combative physically. TJ really only drifts, when he is struggling to compete in a physical dual, which doesn't occur very often.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3410 - 19/09/2018 11:58:43 2142656 Link 0 |
Its ironic - Canning didnt deserve it last year and won it (G Mc or Barron more deserving of HOTY). EugeneFox (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 19/09/2018 12:25:47 2142667 Link 0 |
'An even stronger case' than 'didn't deserve it last year'? How strong a case would that be? You seem to be catching the irony bug there yourself, with that particular assessment. This year, if they 'give it to P.Mannion', they'll be rewarding the most deserving 2018 nominee imo. The whole POTtY thing seems to attract more petty comment & squabbling than the value of the bauble itself imo. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3410 - 19/09/2018 15:32:15 2142727 Link 0 |