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Some very good young players this year who didnt make a young player of the year, its a tough field, but they can rightly be dissapointed.

Eoghan Ban Gallagher, this lad is going to revolutionize the corner back position for me if he even stays there which i doubt, amazing year and a top top players ozzes quality, streght speed and guile. I think if he was from Dublin or Kerry he would have got the nod.

Ciaran Thiompson, like EBG came in to the Donegal team and helped drive them on to a Ulster title and were very unlcky the way the draw fell for them in the S8's again the lad ozzes quality and is a lovely player to watch plays the game in the spirit intended.

Sean Andy O Ceallaigh, one of the best no 3's in the country for me an all out defender who is a central part of the Galway defensive system that got to a league final and lost one game all year. As comfortable driving forward as he is marshaling in defense massively unlucky not get a mention.

Sean O Shea, i know Clifford get a lot of media profile, hes a good player but i think Sean O Shea for me is the pick of Kerrys litter, he is the game influencer and keeps the game ticking over with scores, stood at times when others went missing and had a bit of unlucky end to the championship. id have in my team over Clifford if that choice had to made.

Con O Callaghan, says everything about this young man that he in a quite enough year being double and sometimes triple marked that he walks away with the Sigurson Cup, Club Hurling All Ireland Title, League Title, Leinster title and an All Ireland senior title and that is tough second season. Scarily thats a regression from the year before. Probably a victim of his own success that he considered a senior player now.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/09/2018 11:17:51    2141369

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Some very good young players this year who didnt make a young player of the year, its a tough field, but they can rightly be dissapointed.

Eoghan Ban Gallagher, this lad is going to revolutionize the corner back position for me if he even stays there which i doubt, amazing year and a top top players ozzes quality, streght speed and guile. I think if he was from Dublin or Kerry he would have got the nod.

Ciaran Thiompson, like EBG came in to the Donegal team and helped drive them on to a Ulster title and were very unlcky the way the draw fell for them in the S8's again the lad ozzes quality and is a lovely player to watch plays the game in the spirit intended.

Sean Andy O Ceallaigh, one of the best no 3's in the country for me an all out defender who is a central part of the Galway defensive system that got to a league final and lost one game all year. As comfortable driving forward as he is marshaling in defense massively unlucky not get a mention.

Sean O Shea, i know Clifford get a lot of media profile, hes a good player but i think Sean O Shea for me is the pick of Kerrys litter, he is the game influencer and keeps the game ticking over with scores, stood at times when others went missing and had a bit of unlucky end to the championship. id have in my team over Clifford if that choice had to made.

Con O Callaghan, says everything about this young man that he in a quite enough year being double and sometimes triple marked that he walks away with the Sigurson Cup, Club Hurling All Ireland Title, League Title, Leinster title and an All Ireland senior title and that is tough second season. Scarily thats a regression from the year before. Probably a victim of his own success that he considered a senior player now."
You make a good point about Con and I was wondering something similar myself. At what age or point are you no longer a young player. Could Clifford (Age:19) do the 4/5 in a row of YPOTY if he continues to progress, or next year is he an established senior player. Is the young player award more or less the Rookie award

Man&Ball (Dublin) - Posts: 12 - 13/09/2018 11:26:29    2141371

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Some very good young players this year who didnt make a young player of the year, its a tough field, but they can rightly be dissapointed.

Eoghan Ban Gallagher, this lad is going to revolutionize the corner back position for me if he even stays there which i doubt, amazing year and a top top players ozzes quality, streght speed and guile. I think if he was from Dublin or Kerry he would have got the nod.

Ciaran Thiompson, like EBG came in to the Donegal team and helped drive them on to a Ulster title and were very unlcky the way the draw fell for them in the S8's again the lad ozzes quality and is a lovely player to watch plays the game in the spirit intended.

Sean Andy O Ceallaigh, one of the best no 3's in the country for me an all out defender who is a central part of the Galway defensive system that got to a league final and lost one game all year. As comfortable driving forward as he is marshaling in defense massively unlucky not get a mention.

Sean O Shea, i know Clifford get a lot of media profile, hes a good player but i think Sean O Shea for me is the pick of Kerrys litter, he is the game influencer and keeps the game ticking over with scores, stood at times when others went missing and had a bit of unlucky end to the championship. id have in my team over Clifford if that choice had to made.

Con O Callaghan, says everything about this young man that he in a quite enough year being double and sometimes triple marked that he walks away with the Sigurson Cup, Club Hurling All Ireland Title, League Title, Leinster title and an All Ireland senior title and that is tough second season. Scarily thats a regression from the year before. Probably a victim of his own success that he considered a senior player now."
I'm probably biased but i would add Kevin Flynn to that list. Been brilliant all year attacking up the wing and knows how to take a score too. The guy has a very bright future.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 13/09/2018 11:30:59    2141374

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Replying To Concerned_Supp:  "I see Carlow have received their first All Star football nomination in 24 years after Paul Broderick was picked in the 45 man list revealed this morning. Broderick has been one of the outstanding forwards in the country for a couple of years now and well done to him. I recall Carlow manager Turlough O'Brien looking for a change to the All Stars selection process last year and saying it was an injustice that Broderick or Sean Murphy weren't nominated and the awards go to the counties who reach the latter stages of the championship. I don't begrudge Broderick his nomination but his inclusion is like a token gesture to Carlow after the snub in 2017."
Nice work there Concerned_Supp.

He scored 3-75 this year. 6th highest scorer in the championship without being involved in the super eights.

Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 509 - 13/09/2018 11:50:59    2141378

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "Clifford is an amazing footballer but Brian Howard has to get Young player of the year. Outstanding all year."
Howard was playing in a 3 in a row allireland winning team .

Clifford was playing on a very mediocre badly managed team .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/09/2018 12:08:06    2141384

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The All Star awards are becoming a bit of a farce. Con O'Callaghan gets a nomination after one half decent performance in the final, after being very poor in the previous games up to that, while Cathal McShane who performed consistently well all summer, scoring the equalizer against Meath, doesn't get a nomination? How Paul Broderick has got a nomination ahead of 5 other Tyrone forwards who played 10 championship games is another mystery. Also if Stephen Cluxton receives a award ahead of Rory Beggan I give up. Both were brilliant for there teams all summer and both made one howler each with Cluxton coming for the high ball with Comer and getting nowhere near it and Beggan's being the crazy decision to go for a shot at the end of the Semi Final. Cluxtons kickouts are brilliant and obviously works extremely hard, but he is kicking into the wide open spaces of Croke Park week in week out through the league, Leinster Championship and All Ireland Series, and has the best players in the country making movement for him. Beggan's kickouts are sensational and he can hit any area long or short, and his free taking is perfect as well. He does not have the luxury of playing in Croke Park nearly ten times a year also! Both are brilliant and had consistent years but Beggan for me gets the award.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 13/09/2018 12:35:01    2141393

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Howard was playing in a 3 in a row allireland winning team .

Clifford was playing on a very mediocre badly managed team ."
That is absolutely irrelevant if thats the case no Dublin player should be in line for player of the year.

Howard was the stand out young player in ireland this year and should be rewarded for that. To stand out on a team like dublin tells you alot.

Dont get me wrong Clifford is excellent but Howard deserves it

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 13/09/2018 12:44:46    2141399

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Howard was playing in a 3 in a row allireland winning team .

Clifford was playing on a very mediocre badly managed team ."
And therefore stands out more. Howard by a country mile for me. In a team full of quality players he stood out.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 13/09/2018 12:47:26    2141401

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My team would be:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)
2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)
3. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)
4. Padraig Hamsey (Tyrone)
5. Karl O'Connell (Monaghan)
6. James McCarthy (Dublin)
7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)
8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)
9. Michael Murphy (Donegal)
10. Brian Howard (Dublin)
11. Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
12. Shane Walsh (Galway)
13. Paul Mannion (Dublin)
14. Daniel Flynn (Kildare)
15. David Clifford (Kerry)

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 13/09/2018 13:04:28    2141404

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Replying To kildare73:  "I'm probably biased but i would add Kevin Flynn to that list. Been brilliant all year attacking up the wing and knows how to take a score too. The guy has a very bright future."
Good shout, Kevin Flynn would be in there or thereabouts in that company definitely. I think young Hyland could be in with a big shout for YPOTY for 2019 all going well.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/09/2018 13:25:35    2141414

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "The All Star awards are becoming a bit of a farce. Con O'Callaghan gets a nomination after one half decent performance in the final, after being very poor in the previous games up to that, while Cathal McShane who performed consistently well all summer, scoring the equalizer against Meath, doesn't get a nomination? How Paul Broderick has got a nomination ahead of 5 other Tyrone forwards who played 10 championship games is another mystery. Also if Stephen Cluxton receives a award ahead of Rory Beggan I give up. Both were brilliant for there teams all summer and both made one howler each with Cluxton coming for the high ball with Comer and getting nowhere near it and Beggan's being the crazy decision to go for a shot at the end of the Semi Final. Cluxtons kickouts are brilliant and obviously works extremely hard, but he is kicking into the wide open spaces of Croke Park week in week out through the league, Leinster Championship and All Ireland Series, and has the best players in the country making movement for him. Beggan's kickouts are sensational and he can hit any area long or short, and his free taking is perfect as well. He does not have the luxury of playing in Croke Park nearly ten times a year also! Both are brilliant and had consistent years but Beggan for me gets the award."
It's not hard to see why Paul Broderick got a nomination, he's been very very good in the games he has played in. It's not his fault Carlow didn't play ten games like some others, it's an individual award given performances in games played. He has a well deserved nomination. I would agree with you on Beggan for the goalkeeping award.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 13/09/2018 13:35:09    2141417

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "My team would be:

1. Rory Beggan (Monaghan)
2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)
3. Drew Wylie (Monaghan)
4. Padraig Hamsey (Tyrone)
5. Karl O'Connell (Monaghan)
6. James McCarthy (Dublin)
7. Jack McCaffrey (Dublin)
8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)
9. Michael Murphy (Donegal)
10. Brian Howard (Dublin)
11. Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
12. Shane Walsh (Galway)
13. Paul Mannion (Dublin)
14. Daniel Flynn (Kildare)
15. David Clifford (Kerry)"
No Conor McManus?????

I'd have him ahead of Flynn, and I think it's a nailed on certainty that the all stars will reflect this.

I'd also have Colm Cavanagh ahead of Michael Murphy, although the question needs to be asked - why nominate McCarthy in the backs and Cavanagh at MF? Surely swap them? Either way, both deserve all stars.

I'd swap Eoin Ban for Wylie too bit that's not so clear cut.

Apart from that, the other 12 you selected should get awards.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 13/09/2018 13:38:37    2141419

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Replying To Man&Ball:  "You make a good point about Con and I was wondering something similar myself. At what age or point are you no longer a young player. Could Clifford (Age:19) do the 4/5 in a row of YPOTY if he continues to progress, or next year is he an established senior player. Is the young player award more or less the Rookie award"
I think its from U23 down mate.

The thing with Con this year is he switched roles with Kilkenny in my opinion and played more at 11 then he did full forward.

That was on the back of being double and tripled marked and also teams cottoning on to man marking Kilkenny, what that meant really it freed up Kilkenny who had his best point scoring season and meant he couldn't be man marked.

Con played a massively unselfish and mature role for the Dublin team this year in my opinion acting as Kilkennys decoy and taking his own markers out of the game.

Kilkenny wouldnt be going for player of the year this year without Con.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/09/2018 13:51:23    2141426

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Difference between Clifford and Howard was the influence Clifford had on the game in Clones, as well as the game v Galway. He performed really well both days, despite lack lustre performances by his team mates. Howard is surrounded by giants. Lots of cover for Dublin players if an individual makes an error. Clifford scored a last minute goal to stay in the tournament and he had a hell of a lot to do to score it.

Have to admire the way he handled the Monaghan sledging - which was continuous through the game. At 19 years of age, he is an incredible example to other players in how to keep your cool, even to those 10 or 15 years older than him.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 13/09/2018 13:51:44    2141427

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It would be wrong if Howard doesnt get it Cliffords time will come but i dont think he deserves it this year.

Still going to be one of the best if not the best

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 13/09/2018 14:15:36    2141439

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8 per point game average over 4 championship games which is the highest in this year's championship granted it's over less games but that's not his fault. He also had a great league kicking crucial scores right throughout. He hasn't a chance of getting an all star so in a sense it is tokenism, but I'd rather see it as an acknowledgement of his year. Well done paul

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1594 - 13/09/2018 14:17:24    2141440

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Some very good young players this year who didnt make a young player of the year, its a tough field, but they can rightly be dissapointed.

Eoghan Ban Gallagher, this lad is going to revolutionize the corner back position for me if he even stays there which i doubt, amazing year and a top top players ozzes quality, streght speed and guile. I think if he was from Dublin or Kerry he would have got the nod.

Ciaran Thiompson, like EBG came in to the Donegal team and helped drive them on to a Ulster title and were very unlcky the way the draw fell for them in the S8's again the lad ozzes quality and is a lovely player to watch plays the game in the spirit intended.

Sean Andy O Ceallaigh, one of the best no 3's in the country for me an all out defender who is a central part of the Galway defensive system that got to a league final and lost one game all year. As comfortable driving forward as he is marshaling in defense massively unlucky not get a mention.

Sean O Shea, i know Clifford get a lot of media profile, hes a good player but i think Sean O Shea for me is the pick of Kerrys litter, he is the game influencer and keeps the game ticking over with scores, stood at times when others went missing and had a bit of unlucky end to the championship. id have in my team over Clifford if that choice had to made.

Con O Callaghan, says everything about this young man that he in a quite enough year being double and sometimes triple marked that he walks away with the Sigurson Cup, Club Hurling All Ireland Title, League Title, Leinster title and an All Ireland senior title and that is tough second season. Scarily thats a regression from the year before. Probably a victim of his own success that he considered a senior player now."
All young lads who had good years yeah, but I don't know how you'd do an honorable mentions list of young players and not include Niall Kearns. I actually thought he might be the third nomination tbh, even though the winner is only ever going to be from the main 2.

Nominated for an all star in his debut season, and never once looked out of place in any of the big games we were in. In fact he showed great composure and leadership at times for such a young lad, and added a scoring touch too. For what had been a problem position for us for a while(it was pretty much just Lennon and Dick for over a decade), it's great to see fresh blood come up in midfield and Kearns can be a mainstay there now for several years, and can only improve further.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 13/09/2018 14:26:26    2141446

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Bit surprised that no Roscommon player got nominated. I thought that Ciaran Murtagh or Conor Devanny had both ex ellent years as sid Diarmuid Murtagh and Enda Smith. I seen the div 4 Carlow v Laois game and Broderick had an absolute shocker.
On another note, If you were sent off during the year it used to Bar you from an All-Star award. I presume that has changed. I wonder how many players in the past were denied certain All-Star awards because of this rule.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 13/09/2018 14:42:29    2141454

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To be fair he was playing in a forward line of James O'D, Paul Geaney and Ciaran Donaghy and Sean O Shea he wasnt playing with rag ball rovers type players.

I actually felt that Kerry didnt play him well, he was left alone and isolated at corner forward which meant he drifted in and out of games. I wondered would he been more effective dropping maybe a bit deeper and making space for himself in midfield and at half forward and getting on the ball more. he had some great high but also very quiet lows.

He did well in Munster, i thought Galway it was hit and miss and he took his opportunity well at the end of the match in Monagahan. if im honest i thought O Shea and was more of a loss to Kerry and had more impact on games.

Contrasting that with Howard, the lad has the medals to back up his claim, a League, Leinster and an ALL Ireland semi, man of the match against a Galway team in the Semi final deeper in the Championship then Kerry managed against a Galway team who beat Kerry convincingly.

He also played in a number of different positions for Dublin this year, in the half back line, midfield and half forward lines. His skill set is more developed and executed at the highest level in the biggest games. he is a fantastic defender, is mobile, has pace has stamina, he can tackle, is tactically astute. he can play make, he can field and he can score. Clifford has some wonderful skills in a very narrow role, but Howard has a much rounded skill set in a number of different roles in my opinion, he also did it in the biggest games.

It takes a special player to be a standout in this Dublin team, take a bow young man. Maybe the biggest point on Brian Howard i will make and his impact and what a special talent he is - is that at no point this summer did i hear one fan, media pundit etc say "Dublin are missing Dermot Connolly".

Im not particularly bothered about who gets it, i honestly wouldn't swap Howard for Clifford or would it change my opinion on who i think is best the young player in the country this year.

I suspect Clifford will get it due to the politics and spreading it around and that county players wont vote for Dublin players in two category's. Hes a terrific player and wouldn't begrudge him it, they are only young men after all.

But Id also prefer the medals in my pocket and Brian could do without the hype and profile that goes with the gong and leave him with only football on his mind and not be going on gloried booze ups.

Brian is a special player.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/09/2018 14:47:05    2141458

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Replying To patk:  "All young lads who had good years yeah, but I don't know how you'd do an honorable mentions list of young players and not include Niall Kearns. I actually thought he might be the third nomination tbh, even though the winner is only ever going to be from the main 2.

Nominated for an all star in his debut season, and never once looked out of place in any of the big games we were in. In fact he showed great composure and leadership at times for such a young lad, and added a scoring touch too. For what had been a problem position for us for a while(it was pretty much just Lennon and Dick for over a decade), it's great to see fresh blood come up in midfield and Kearns can be a mainstay there now for several years, and can only improve further."
I inevitably left out loads a chara, no offence in tended feel free to gibe your own shout away.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/09/2018 14:48:45    2141460

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