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Replying To realdub: "Ah come on lad, throw us an auld congrats there will ya, and maybe the hermit will follow suit :D" Congrats to Dublin and joining an elite bunch of counties in achieving 4 in a row. It shows that this team have a remarkable hunger undiminished by so much success - really speaks to an amazing culture being cultivated in that dressing room.
But let's be honest, the reason the rest of the GAA world is so pessimistic and depressed is because Dublin represent something Gaelic Games have never seen before.
Comparisons with previous Kerry teams of the Kilkenny hurlers are wide of the mark. It's not a case that this is just a remarkable bunch of 10 of 15 players who, once they retire, will see Dublin slip back into the chasing back as happened with other successful teams before.
Dublin are now a semi-professional outfit operating at another level to every other county, even the likes of Kerry, Cork, Tyrone etc. They have a massive support structure in terms of facilities, financial backing, backroom expertise that no other county can match, short of bankrupting themselves. Look at what Mayo have been spending on their senior team trying to keep up.
Highlighting this is not bregudgery or spreading falsehoods - it is simply telling the truth.
If it was Kerry benefiting like this, Dublin fans would be up in arms along with the rest of the country and rightly so.
If the powers that be inside Croke Park maintain one team up on a pedestal like this how does that reflect one the overall ethos of the GAA today.
I know people are sick and tired of hearing all this but it is a huge issue, perhaps the most critical issue, facing the GAA and it is not going away. As someone above said it really is time the other County Boards presented a united front to Croke Park and forced them to end the treatment of Dublin GAA before we are here in 10 years time watching a Dublin team win it's 12th All-Ireland in 15 years.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 04/09/2018 11:22:31
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Dublin are a very good team, great athletes and super talented, and they just happen to be playing in an era where everyone else is average. They will win 5 in a row. Tyrone couldn't get near them, and were rightfully in the final. Mayo at peak maybe able to run them close but would never beat them.....I fear for the interest in Gaelic football.
Game2Halves (Tyrone) - Posts: 265 - 04/09/2018 11:26:59
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They'll win the 5-in-a-row. You'll see the same bunch in the Super 8s except Mayo will be back, probably for Roscommon.
The problem now with the new structure is you have to "catch" Dublin in a semi-final or final. If they are beaten in the Super 8s it won't matter, they'll adjust and win their last 2 matches to get through anyway. I can't see them losing twice in a single summer. So, I think they might get a shock from someone like Kerry in the Super 8s, and then they'll go on to win the 5 in a row. After that, who knows - people talk about a conveyor belt but I just think the talent in Dublin means they will be competing rather than dominating for the next 10 years. I don't think their backups are as good as the likes of Cluxton and Philly McMahon or Jonny Cooper. There are very good players in that squad but you can't replace that experience and talent easily. So, after winning 5 in a row I think you'll see a few retirements and then it's up to the rest of us to step up and properly test the new faces.
But as for next year, it's the Dubs again.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 04/09/2018 11:44:22
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Replying To Damothedub: "Dublin are not ruining football, resources are not ruining football, you can say it for years as long as you like it won't make you right, as Thomas o Shea said on Sunday night crap games are turning people away , poor coaching , defensive driven games have had an impact on football as a spectacle.you have been asked on this site a hundred times to explain Kerry's underage achievements v Dublin's , No Answer , explain Dublin's lack of real success in hurling one Leinster final win to show , No Answer , explain Galway's underage success NO Answer , you turn the facts and narrative to suit your agenda , personally if I have to take a Kerryman opinion I will go with O Shea or for that matter Genius Gerry who at least tries to be balanced" Ye have won 4 U21s since 2010 and a minor title is this not constituted as underage success Damo?
Ye have won a league title and a Leinster in hurling, considering the low eb from where ye started when ye used to be battling with ourselves look how far ye have come, again is this not success?
Ye are only getting started, murcan sculls and Howard were on 7 when the funding started.
Ye have only just begun.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/09/2018 12:29:32
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No one. Dublin are miles ahead of everyone. Dublin have the players and management and with the way the Championship is now set up, they basically have to win 2 games to win next year's All Ireland. They'll breeze through Leinster as usual. Can afford to lose one game in Super 8's, although it's hard to see where that's coming from and then semi final and final. I would hope Kerry would get closer but their backs simply aren't good enough. Not one of them would get on the Dublin panel. Also a new Kerry manager is going to have establish a method of play etc and that doesn't happen overnight.
Lastly there's the carrot. 5 in a row hasn't been done in the history of the GAA. With immortality beckoning it's hard to see a lack of motivation. Personally I hope they do it. Maybe then Kilkenny and O'Callaghan can go play Hurling and level the playing field a wee touch!
FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 564 - 04/09/2018 12:37:56
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If there is argument to be made about Dublin financially, i think their is an argument their for a certain 5 in a row minor also.
Incidentally i dont think it does in either case.
Ill just leave this here, based on 2017 games devlopment funding (source below):
Population of Dublin: 1.345 million, Games Development Funding: 1.298 million, Ratio per head of population: 96 cent
Population of Kerry: 140.600k, Games Development Funding 197.600k, Ratio per head of population: 1.40 euro.
Population of Mayo: 130k, Games Devlopment Funding: 127.98k, Ratio per head of population: 98 cent.
Population of Donegal: 158k, Games Devlopment Funding: 132.000K Ratio per head of population: 83 cent.
Population of Galway: 258,552, Games Development Funding: 178.400k Ratio per head of Population: 69 cent.
Population of Tyrone: 177.986k, Games Developmet Funding: 119k, Ratio per head of population: 66 cent.
Population of Monghan: 60,483k Games Devlopment Funding: 122.500k, Ratio per head of population: 1.99 euro.
Population of Cork: 542,196k, Games Development Funding: 249k, Ratio per head of population: 45 cent.
Population of Kildare: 222,130, Games Developemnt Funding: 226.428k, Ratio per head of population: 1 euro.
Population of Meath: 194,942, Games Development Funding: 267.421k, Ratio per head of population: 1.37 euro.
Page 67. http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/...18_English.pdf
Note the additional allocation given to the provinces at the top of the page, this is divided by the provincial council to all the teams in the province for coaching. The only team not to get this is Dublin.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 04/09/2018 13:12:40
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Replying To FootblockREF: "No one. Dublin are miles ahead of everyone. Dublin have the players and management and with the way the Championship is now set up, they basically have to win 2 games to win next year's All Ireland. They'll breeze through Leinster as usual. Can afford to lose one game in Super 8's, although it's hard to see where that's coming from and then semi final and final. I would hope Kerry would get closer but their backs simply aren't good enough. Not one of them would get on the Dublin panel. Also a new Kerry manager is going to have establish a method of play etc and that doesn't happen overnight.
Lastly there's the carrot. 5 in a row hasn't been done in the history of the GAA. With immortality beckoning it's hard to see a lack of motivation. Personally I hope they do it. Maybe then Kilkenny and O'Callaghan can go play Hurling and level the playing field a wee touch!" Our midfield is brutal as well, and we haven't sorted out our goalkeeper situation either. Although maybe those two things are connected in some way.
Getting back to the two 5 in a row attempts in 82 and 2010 both Offaly and tipp were barking around both Kerry and Kilkenny for a few years previous, there is no team you can say have consistently been doing this with dublin these last few years .
Maybe Mayo can come back next year and take them out in a semifinal but I wouldn't bet on it.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/09/2018 13:14:41
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A good start would be for 2 teams other than Dublin making the league final next year. They have been in each of the last 6, winning 5. Galway drew with them this year, Monaghan beat them albeit in a dead rubber. Would be good to see Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo tear into them in spring to show that they won't always have things their own way. If these sides can't beat them in March it's highly unlikely they will have the belief to beat them in August.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 04/09/2018 13:15:16
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Probably no one. If anyone genuinely thinks otherwise they should put a bet on since the rest of the teams are 5 to 1 or longer odds with Dublin 1/2.
I don't agree with reducing funding to Dublin as that is deliberately down playing GAA in the capital. The Elephant in the room is that one team can't have a population base of 1.4 million when the others have an average of 0.1 million. For example in the League of Ireland soccer 3 out of the 10 teams come from Dublin.
tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 04/09/2018 13:22:18
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Ye have won 4 U21s since 2010 and a minor title is this not constituted as underage success Damo?
Ye have won a league title and a Leinster in hurling, considering the low eb from where ye started when ye used to be battling with ourselves look how far ye have come, again is this not success?
Ye are only getting started, murcan sculls and Howard were on 7 when the funding started.
Ye have only just begun." Your clutching at straws , beaten by Kildare Meath and Laois at under age this year , beat off the park by Galway , hockeyed by Cavan in the Gerry Reilly trophy,beaten in tony forestall , Sony Williams and Ara Bhan tournaments this year, do you want me to go on ??? I have been to more development games in last five years in both codes than you've been to watch your seniors , now I noticed conveniently you haven't addressed your or Galways success at under age
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 04/09/2018 13:29:03
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Ye have won 4 U21s since 2010 and a minor title is this not constituted as underage success Damo?
Ye have won a league title and a Leinster in hurling, considering the low eb from where ye started when ye used to be battling with ourselves look how far ye have come, again is this not success?
Ye are only getting started, murcan sculls and Howard were on 7 when the funding started.
Ye have only just begun." The poor Kerry lads:D There is quite a bitterness about them.
gaelicgab (USA) - Posts: 878 - 04/09/2018 13:32:13
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Replying To TheHermit: "Congrats to Dublin and joining an elite bunch of counties in achieving 4 in a row. It shows that this team have a remarkable hunger undiminished by so much success - really speaks to an amazing culture being cultivated in that dressing room.
But let's be honest, the reason the rest of the GAA world is so pessimistic and depressed is because Dublin represent something Gaelic Games have never seen before.
Comparisons with previous Kerry teams of the Kilkenny hurlers are wide of the mark. It's not a case that this is just a remarkable bunch of 10 of 15 players who, once they retire, will see Dublin slip back into the chasing back as happened with other successful teams before.
Dublin are now a semi-professional outfit operating at another level to every other county, even the likes of Kerry, Cork, Tyrone etc. They have a massive support structure in terms of facilities, financial backing, backroom expertise that no other county can match, short of bankrupting themselves. Look at what Mayo have been spending on their senior team trying to keep up.
Highlighting this is not bregudgery or spreading falsehoods - it is simply telling the truth.
If it was Kerry benefiting like this, Dublin fans would be up in arms along with the rest of the country and rightly so.
If the powers that be inside Croke Park maintain one team up on a pedestal like this how does that reflect one the overall ethos of the GAA today.
I know people are sick and tired of hearing all this but it is a huge issue, perhaps the most critical issue, facing the GAA and it is not going away. As someone above said it really is time the other County Boards presented a united front to Croke Park and forced them to end the treatment of Dublin GAA before we are here in 10 years time watching a Dublin team win it's 12th All-Ireland in 15 years." "GAA world is so pessimistic and depressed because Dublin represent something Gaelic Games have never seen before."
"Highlighting this is not bregudgery"
Seriously, these Kerry posters. They don't like it one bit.
gaelicgab (USA) - Posts: 878 - 04/09/2018 13:40:00
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Replying To TheHermit: "Congrats to Dublin and joining an elite bunch of counties in achieving 4 in a row. It shows that this team have a remarkable hunger undiminished by so much success - really speaks to an amazing culture being cultivated in that dressing room.
But let's be honest, the reason the rest of the GAA world is so pessimistic and depressed is because Dublin represent something Gaelic Games have never seen before.
Comparisons with previous Kerry teams of the Kilkenny hurlers are wide of the mark. It's not a case that this is just a remarkable bunch of 10 of 15 players who, once they retire, will see Dublin slip back into the chasing back as happened with other successful teams before.
Dublin are now a semi-professional outfit operating at another level to every other county, even the likes of Kerry, Cork, Tyrone etc. They have a massive support structure in terms of facilities, financial backing, backroom expertise that no other county can match, short of bankrupting themselves. Look at what Mayo have been spending on their senior team trying to keep up.
Highlighting this is not bregudgery or spreading falsehoods - it is simply telling the truth.
If it was Kerry benefiting like this, Dublin fans would be up in arms along with the rest of the country and rightly so.
If the powers that be inside Croke Park maintain one team up on a pedestal like this how does that reflect one the overall ethos of the GAA today.
I know people are sick and tired of hearing all this but it is a huge issue, perhaps the most critical issue, facing the GAA and it is not going away. As someone above said it really is time the other County Boards presented a united front to Croke Park and forced them to end the treatment of Dublin GAA before we are here in 10 years time watching a Dublin team win it's 12th All-Ireland in 15 years." Ah good man hermit. Look, if ye don't win a senior all Ireland in the near future after winning 5 minor titles on the trot, there's something seriously wrong in Kerry. I expect ye to be at full throttle within 2/3 years max.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 04/09/2018 13:42:16
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Replying To gaelicgab: "The poor Kerry lads:D There is quite a bitterness about them." They're pathetic.
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 04/09/2018 13:46:51
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Ye have won 4 U21s since 2010 and a minor title is this not constituted as underage success Damo?
Ye have won a league title and a Leinster in hurling, considering the low eb from where ye started when ye used to be battling with ourselves look how far ye have come, again is this not success?
Ye are only getting started, murcan sculls and Howard were on 7 when the funding started.
Ye have only just begun." "Muncan, sculls were on 7"? Lay off the glue, pal.
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/09/2018 13:53:52
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Replying To lilylanger: "They're pathetic." You related to lilypad by chance...... :-)
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 04/09/2018 14:14:16
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Replying To gaelicgab: ""GAA world is so pessimistic and depressed because Dublin represent something Gaelic Games have never seen before."
"Highlighting this is not bregudgery"
Seriously, these Kerry posters. They don't like it one bit." But us Dubs are loving it while it lasts :-) it's all but but but but with them.
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/09/2018 14:16:05
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lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 04/09/2018 14:22:19
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Mayo, Galway, Tyrone and Donegal, Kerry. That's it.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1746 - 04/09/2018 14:38:17
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Replying To Damothedub: "Your clutching at straws , beaten by Kildare Meath and Laois at under age this year , beat off the park by Galway , hockeyed by Cavan in the Gerry Reilly trophy,beaten in tony forestall , Sony Williams and Ara Bhan tournaments this year, do you want me to go on ??? I have been to more development games in last five years in both codes than you've been to watch your seniors , now I noticed conveniently you haven't addressed your or Galways success at under age" I'm not clutching at anything Damo, did ye not win 4 U21s and a minor title since 2010?
Did ye not win a hurling league title and a Leinster championship since 2010? In fairness winning Leinster championship in hurling is massive considering ye are in with Kilkenny Galway Wexford and Offaly considering where ye'r hurlers were around the turn of the century.
Ye will eventually get to the top in hurling like ye are in the football it's inevitable considering what's being pumped in.
As for ours and Galway's success at underage we have won 5 in a row minor titles but still not even 1 U21 or U20s title , I don't know have Galway won any U21 hurling titles lately either as I don't follow the underage hurling that closely.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/09/2018 15:32:32
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