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Kerry thought about opening museums, have the most All Irelands and rightly so have been lauded in some quarters as the greatest football county. Whilst it would be impossible for Kerry not to win Sam again soon with all it's underage success, financial assistance and structures 2019 is now a big year. Dublin have the chance to be classed as the best football team ever. Despite all of Kerry's great teams down the years, if this Dublin team can complete the five-in-a-row they will always be seen as the first county to do so and without argument the greatest. Can Kerry stop them?

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 03/09/2018 10:56:38    2138689

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In a word, no!

Kerry are 3-4 years away IMO. Team is too young and has too many gaps in key positions, particularly goal, full back and midfield. We need to forget about what Dublin are doing and give our new manager time to build a team.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 03/09/2018 11:04:37    2138693

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Replying To sam1884:  "Kerry thought about opening museums, have the most All Irelands and rightly so have been lauded in some quarters as the greatest football county. Whilst it would be impossible for Kerry not to win Sam again soon with all it's underage success, financial assistance and structures 2019 is now a big year. Dublin have the chance to be classed as the best football team ever. Despite all of Kerry's great teams down the years, if this Dublin team can complete the five-in-a-row they will always be seen as the first county to do so and without argument the greatest. Can Kerry stop them?"
Well if the prospect of Dublin achieving something that Kerry just fell short of achieving doesn't light a fire under one or two Kerry arses I don't know what will......

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 03/09/2018 11:09:53    2138697

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No, I don't think so.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 03/09/2018 11:16:10    2138704

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Replying To sam1884:  "Kerry thought about opening museums, have the most All Irelands and rightly so have been lauded in some quarters as the greatest football county. Whilst it would be impossible for Kerry not to win Sam again soon with all it's underage success, financial assistance and structures 2019 is now a big year. Dublin have the chance to be classed as the best football team ever. Despite all of Kerry's great teams down the years, if this Dublin team can complete the five-in-a-row they will always be seen as the first county to do so and without argument the greatest. Can Kerry stop them?"
Not a hope, we are a couple of years away yet, so it'l be up to some other team to try and stop them and don't see any team sticking out at the minute.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 03/09/2018 11:52:26    2138738

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The standard of rival teams is hopeless imo. I think that puts a huge qualification on Dublin's 'greatness'. For example, both Tyrone & Galway fans realise that their current 'outfits' are seriously mediocre, compared to their silverware winning sides of the last 20 years. Sadly, Galway & Tyrone were two of the biggest rivals out there in 2018. Miles off Dublin, which means every other team is miles off them too. Mayo were a serious rival 2011-2017, but are 'finished' for the moment, as a rival to Dublin at least. The countrywide standard of intercounty football team is so poor currently that it's impossible to ascertain whether Dublin are great or not. They could be just the best of a bad lot really.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 03/09/2018 12:13:53    2138750

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "The standard of rival teams is hopeless imo. I think that puts a huge qualification on Dublin's 'greatness'. For example, both Tyrone & Galway fans realise that their current 'outfits' are seriously mediocre, compared to their silverware winning sides of the last 20 years. Sadly, Galway & Tyrone were two of the biggest rivals out there in 2018. Miles off Dublin, which means every other team is miles off them too. Mayo were a serious rival 2011-2017, but are 'finished' for the moment, as a rival to Dublin at least. The countrywide standard of intercounty football team is so poor currently that it's impossible to ascertain whether Dublin are great or not. They could be just the best of a bad lot really."
From 1968 there was not a single winner of the championship from Ulster or Connacht until 1991. When Kerry won there 4 in a row teams from Ulster and Connacht were going through a spell of about 20 years where they couldn't even beat a Leisnter or Munster team in the AI semi final.

i think Dublin are great it take more than a good team to win 4 all ireland in a row and 6 in 8 years.They make a lot of the otehr teams look a lot worse than they really are.Mayo would have won multiple all irelands in the 1990's with the team they had in the last few years.

FreddieFreeloader (Offaly) - Posts: 17 - 03/09/2018 12:58:27    2138771

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Replying To FreddieFreeloader:  "From 1968 there was not a single winner of the championship from Ulster or Connacht until 1991. When Kerry won there 4 in a row teams from Ulster and Connacht were going through a spell of about 20 years where they couldn't even beat a Leisnter or Munster team in the AI semi final.

i think Dublin are great it take more than a good team to win 4 all ireland in a row and 6 in 8 years.They make a lot of the otehr teams look a lot worse than they really are.Mayo would have won multiple all irelands in the 1990's with the team they had in the last few years."
Was just about to post something similar. Well said.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 03/09/2018 14:04:38    2138799

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Was just about to post something similar. Well said."
Well said perhaps, but inaccurate imo to say 'couldn't' about Connacht/Leinster clashes in that era. Didn't, certainly true, but 'couldn't' is surely a bit of a stretch, when you examine the closeness of Conncht/Leinster semis in that era. Galway beat Offaly in '73. Lost to Dublin by 3points in '76. Ros lost by 1point in '79. Galway lost by 1pt in '82. Mayo drew in '85. Ros weren't outclassed in '88 or '91 either, and Leitrim were not up to it in '94. All in all, more of a didn't than a couldn't imo. It was Kerry won 8 all-irelands from 1975 to 1986, not any team from Leinster.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 03/09/2018 14:31:25    2138813

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "The standard of rival teams is hopeless imo. I think that puts a huge qualification on Dublin's 'greatness'. For example, both Tyrone & Galway fans realise that their current 'outfits' are seriously mediocre, compared to their silverware winning sides of the last 20 years. Sadly, Galway & Tyrone were two of the biggest rivals out there in 2018. Miles off Dublin, which means every other team is miles off them too. Mayo were a serious rival 2011-2017, but are 'finished' for the moment, as a rival to Dublin at least. The countrywide standard of intercounty football team is so poor currently that it's impossible to ascertain whether Dublin are great or not. They could be just the best of a bad lot really."
On the money. Best of poor era

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 03/09/2018 19:40:42    2138938

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Replying To FreddieFreeloader:  "From 1968 there was not a single winner of the championship from Ulster or Connacht until 1991. When Kerry won there 4 in a row teams from Ulster and Connacht were going through a spell of about 20 years where they couldn't even beat a Leisnter or Munster team in the AI semi final.

i think Dublin are great it take more than a good team to win 4 all ireland in a row and 6 in 8 years.They make a lot of the otehr teams look a lot worse than they really are.Mayo would have won multiple all irelands in the 1990's with the team they had in the last few years."
Who have Dublin made look worse than they really are??

IMO, they've made a Mayo team who couldn't win Connaught in the last 3 years look like a great team.

They "dominated" an era in which the worst Kerry team in a generation won Sam.

They won 4 in a row, and the history books will show this, but you're burying your head in the same if you don't recognise the poor era in which they've had this success.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 03/09/2018 19:45:52    2138941

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Well said perhaps, but inaccurate imo to say 'couldn't' about Connacht/Leinster clashes in that era. Didn't, certainly true, but 'couldn't' is surely a bit of a stretch, when you examine the closeness of Conncht/Leinster semis in that era. Galway beat Offaly in '73. Lost to Dublin by 3points in '76. Ros lost by 1point in '79. Galway lost by 1pt in '82. Mayo drew in '85. Ros weren't outclassed in '88 or '91 either, and Leitrim were not up to it in '94. All in all, more of a didn't than a couldn't imo. It was Kerry won 8 all-irelands from 1975 to 1986, not any team from Leinster."
Offaly and Dublin won 4 All Irelands between them in that period.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 04/09/2018 14:31:23    2139151

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Kerry might not win another All Ireland for 10 years, Donegal are the team to beat the Dubs, roll on 2019 with Paddy mac back to his best PG.
If they do the 5 in a row they will always be remembered as the best team of all time.one of the best as it is, harder now too cause teams get a second chance with back doors etc.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 04/09/2018 23:47:29    2139301

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Offaly and Dublin won 4 All Irelands between them in that period."
Dublin won 3 of the 4. Can anyone remember the one Offaly won? Oh, yer man Darby, that's right!!

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 06/09/2018 11:16:12    2139772

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I'm dying to see a Mayo/Dublin final next year. one trying to break the curse of 51' and the other trying to break the curse of 5 in a row. something has to give, Mayo to rescue football......

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 06/09/2018 12:17:45    2139792

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Replying To theweanling:  "I'm dying to see a Mayo/Dublin final next year. one trying to break the curse of 51' and the other trying to break the curse of 5 in a row. something has to give, Mayo to rescue football......"
Mayo wont be rescuing anything.

If Dublin get to a final, we will win it.

but its miles away, roll on the clubs, then xmas and when that's over we can focus on the dubs again :D

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 06/09/2018 12:40:59    2139801

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Dublin won 3 of the 4. Can anyone remember the one Offaly won? Oh, yer man Darby, that's right!!"
Dublijn actually won 4 in the period 1974 to 1986 and Leinster teams won 5.
In the period 1974 to 1988 Leinster teams won 7.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 06/09/2018 13:25:52    2139809

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Replying To waynoI:  "Mayo wont be rescuing anything.

If Dublin get to a final, we will win it.

but its miles away, roll on the clubs, then xmas and when that's over we can focus on the dubs again :D"
.........and we'll see you in breffni again!!!!

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 06/09/2018 13:34:54    2139814

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Replying To fainleog:  "Dublijn actually won 4 in the period 1974 to 1986 and Leinster teams won 5.
In the period 1974 to 1988 Leinster teams won 7."
I think we all know what everyone won, and when.

It was just that FFL suggested that Connacht teams 'couldn't' beat Leinster teams in semis 'in that era'. I simply pointed out how close most of those semi clashes were, and certainly the closeness of those Connacht/Leinster semi clashes in the '70s '80's & half of the 90's did not at all suggest that there was a gulf in class between the provinces, or that Connacht teams 'couldn't' have won some of those games. It wasn't at all like the current scenario with Dublin, where there isn't even the remotest chance that any team will turn them over in the foreseeable future.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 06/09/2018 15:57:56    2139848

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Replying To theweanling:  "I'm dying to see a Mayo/Dublin final next year. one trying to break the curse of 51' and the other trying to break the curse of 5 in a row. something has to give, Mayo to rescue football......"
Mayo might well be the only team to stop the five in a row. Tyrone were lucky with this years draw and I doubt they will get the same luck again next year (Might get to semi final). It must be itching Kerry, because they will be aware of the books, TV programmes and press a five in a row All Ireland winning team will get for a number of years. People will still be talking about this Dublin team in thirty years plus if they complete the 5. Kerry and all their great teams will be overlooked in the history books. For me it's only Mayo who can stop it. In saying that it would be great to see this great Dublin team get the 5.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 14/09/2018 18:01:54    2141775

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