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There is much talk about rule changes and its not unexpected . However , the real rule change that needs to be made is really not a rule change at all ............. Four players ( at least ) must remain on each side of the field at all times , essentially how the game was played over most of our life times . Easy to spot by the linesman and enforced by 20 metre free . The game now reverts back to its original intent and spirit . It was never intended to be a possession game , the joy of Gaelic fottball was the battles that took place at every position on the field . When ( at least ) four players remain in either the back line or forward line , the constant handpassing and mass tackling becomes defunct and we have our great game back again . sligodetroit (Sligo) - Posts: 4 - 30/08/2018 00:57:44 2137562 Link
3 refs & no linesmen, therefore no extra officials needed. 1 ref covers area between goal and 45, 2nd ref controls between both 45's, 3rd ref controls between 45 and other goal. Whatever rule changes u implement then would be much easier to monitor. We may also have less pulling and dragging. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1836 - 30/08/2018 11:33:11 2137621 Link
3 refs & no linesmen, therefore no extra officials needed. 1 ref covers area between goal and 45, 2nd ref controls between both 45's, 3rd ref controls between 45 and other goal. Whatever rule changes u implement then would be much easier to monitor. We may also have less pulling and dragging. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 727 - 30/08/2018 11:33:11You would have too many inconsistencies between officials especially with football having such undefined tackle/issues in defence. DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 30/08/2018 11:48:09 2137628 Link
I struggle with what is a gaeluc football tackle - I find it much easier to define the Aussie rules tackle. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2621 - 30/08/2018 12:27:20 2137643 Link
The Gaelic football tackle is well defined, just not implemented properly. By the letter of the law many of the tackles in these blanket defenses should be frees. Start implementing the rules we have and maybe just maybe defenders couldn't wait behind the ball. Smashing yourself into a forward to slow him down and then tackling the ball is a foul. Any contact with the man that's not incidental has to be shoulder to shoulder. Otherwise you can only tackle the ball. It really isn't difficult but it doesn't get implemented and you get these inconsistencies and arbitrary interpretations of the rules. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 30/08/2018 15:26:57 2137694 Link
Replying To sligodetroit: "There is much talk about rule changes and its not unexpected . However , the real rule change that needs to be made is really not a rule change at all ............. Four players ( at least ) must remain on each side of the field at all times , essentially how the game was played over most of our life times . Easy to spot by the linesman and enforced by 20 metre free . The game now reverts back to its original intent and spirit . It was never intended to be a possession game , the joy of Gaelic fottball was the battles that took place at every position on the field . When ( at least ) four players remain in either the back line or forward line , the constant handpassing and mass tackling becomes defunct and we have our great game back again ." Are you expecting this to be implemented successfully across club level, Juvenile level, nationwide? Or just intercounty? Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 30/08/2018 16:49:39 2137721 Link
Replying To Gavvygavgav: "Are you expecting this to be implemented successfully across club level, Juvenile level, nationwide? Or just intercounty?" The rules of the game ( 15 v 15 ) should be consistent at all levels , all grades. Players remaining in their own half of the field had been the case for decades anyhow . It was one of the cornerstones of Gaeilic football . It is suprising that it was not interwoven into the rules many years ago There is nothing radical to be taught here to younger players , nothing difficult for players / officials to understand . With exception of approx the past ten years , all modern recorded games of Gaeilic football clearly show that players conformed to their lineout positions . sligodetroit (Sligo) - Posts: 4 - 30/08/2018 17:57:09 2137734 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "The Gaelic football tackle is well defined, just not implemented properly. By the letter of the law many of the tackles in these blanket defenses should be frees. Start implementing the rules we have and maybe just maybe defenders couldn't wait behind the ball. Smashing yourself into a forward to slow him down and then tackling the ball is a foul. Any contact with the man that's not incidental has to be shoulder to shoulder. Otherwise you can only tackle the ball. It really isn't difficult but it doesn't get implemented and you get these inconsistencies and arbitrary interpretations of the rules." How one 'tackles the ball' without allowing the opponent forward progress seems to be a dilemma for me. I have heard that a legitimate tackle involves having 'one arm in, one arm out'. This sounds like ineffective poking around - that's why there is much pulling and dragging - it's the only way to stop momentum - albeit at conceding a free This is why J like the Aussie rule - if you don't get rid of the hot potato, I'll pull you to the ground and earn a free for my effort = get the ball off you. Knowing the penalty, most AFL ball carriers offload and rarely concede this free. My issue with the Aussie game is excess clogging - too many 'ball ups' by the umpire = referee. I agree with your earlier comment - adopting the Aussie tackle in gaelic is a bit too much as it changss the whole game - gaelic is distinctly different than Aussie rules although you can see the simularities. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2621 - 30/08/2018 22:58:23 2137784 Link
Replying To sligodetroit: "The rules of the game ( 15 v 15 ) should be consistent at all levels , all grades. Players remaining in their own half of the field had been the case for decades anyhow . It was one of the cornerstones of Gaeilic football . It is suprising that it was not interwoven into the rules many years ago There is nothing radical to be taught here to younger players , nothing difficult for players / officials to understand . With exception of approx the past ten years , all modern recorded games of Gaeilic football clearly show that players conformed to their lineout positions ." if that is your argument then you would find it impossible to implement your suggestion in anything other than county championships upwards, which is not a viable rule.A single official cannot be expected to enforce such a rule while keeping his or her eye on the play. Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 30/08/2018 23:18:33 2137789 Link
Replying To Gavvygavgav: "if that is your argument then you would find it impossible to implement your suggestion in anything other than county championships upwards, which is not a viable rule.A single official cannot be expected to enforce such a rule while keeping his or her eye on the play." As stated in the beginning this would not have been considered a rule change ten tears ago . Teams were lined out in a conventional way and generally players kept their positions on the field . It was accepted that forwards would remain in the attacking side of the field , Unfortunately the GAA did not act quickly when it was realised that the spirit of the game was been ignored and players started to run up and down the field like school children in their first game . We either bring conventional positioning back into the game ( by keeping at least four players in each half of the field at all times ) or let the game go further into disarray . All the great features of the game , long kickouts , high fielding , one on one battles , long foot passing will return because players will be spread throughout the field . Once implemented ,coaches , managers will line out their players to take up positions to once again take advantage of open corners and wings on the attacking side of the field . And yes , it would be easy to implement once the rule is in place and understood by all After all ,its the rule that most of us had known as long as we played , watched , coached , refereed Gaeilic football . sligodetroit (Sligo) - Posts: 4 - 31/08/2018 13:31:37 2137902 Link
Whelo's 13 man proposal is not so stupid. And remember we started with 21 back a 100+ years ago. 13 men only would be a big change and open up space. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 31/08/2018 14:09:55 2137914 Link
Replying To witnof: "Whelo's 13 man proposal is not so stupid. And remember we started with 21 back a 100+ years ago. 13 men only would be a big change and open up space." I have seen plenty of them, albeit at a lower grade, but a 13-man game is not the answer. Less skill involved, just rewards hard running players more than skillful lads. It is no disincentive to massed defences and just encourages more hand passing 'break-outs' from the back. If anything there is actually less kicking in the game. Tiernan McCann the prototype 13-a side player, lads Dean Rock type players would fade away over time Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1064 - 31/08/2018 14:57:08 2137925 Link
Replying To sligodetroit: "As stated in the beginning this would not have been considered a rule change ten tears ago . Teams were lined out in a conventional way and generally players kept their positions on the field . It was accepted that forwards would remain in the attacking side of the field , Unfortunately the GAA did not act quickly when it was realised that the spirit of the game was been ignored and players started to run up and down the field like school children in their first game . We either bring conventional positioning back into the game ( by keeping at least four players in each half of the field at all times ) or let the game go further into disarray . All the great features of the game , long kickouts , high fielding , one on one battles , long foot passing will return because players will be spread throughout the field . Once implemented ,coaches , managers will line out their players to take up positions to once again take advantage of open corners and wings on the attacking side of the field . And yes , it would be easy to implement once the rule is in place and understood by all After all ,its the rule that most of us had known as long as we played , watched , coached , refereed Gaeilic football ." It seems quite a while age since Pat Spillane was running back to his own 21 yard line to pick up the ball and run with it. Dublin had a wing forward who did the same thing. Thinking back over 60 years, I can't remember a time when wing backs and wing forwards weren't drifting back and forward over the half-way line. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 31/08/2018 16:04:34 2137955 Link
13 a side would need to be trialed but my suspicion would be that it wouldn't be a success. The problem with Gaelic football isn't that there's a lack of space. It's that there's a lack of valuable space. All that matters is the scoring zone. So teams just concede the middle third. I think you will still teams in 13 a side just filter men back. There will be even more hand passing because when a team does win the ball they're even more likely to have few men forward. I really do feel the issue with football is driven by intercounty managers and the way the setup. Regardless of the rules they will be ultra negative. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 31/08/2018 17:17:33 2137981 Link
Replying To neverright: "It seems quite a while age since Pat Spillane was running back to his own 21 yard line to pick up the ball and run with it. Dublin had a wing forward who did the same thing. Thinking back over 60 years, I can't remember a time when wing backs and wing forwards weren't drifting back and forward over the half-way line." Of course players will drift over the field at times ........ no problem there . In fact that is also an exciting part of game . But when the entire team is drifting behind the halfway line , the game is a farce . sligodetroit (Sligo) - Posts: 4 - 31/08/2018 17:27:17 2137987 Link
Was Bobby Doyle the roving Dublin forward? Anton OK Toole did his share of tracking as well. Club football is often just as negative and there will always be coaches looking for ways to exploit any rule changes. lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 31/08/2018 17:29:58 2137989 Link
Hockey have a penalty corner. It raises excitement as is an attacking moment. Donaghy is suggesting an attacking mark for clean catches inside the 21 yard line. I'd agree with such a mark but possibly as an indirect scoring opportunity. The player taking the mark wouldn't be allowed to score a point or goal from the mark directly. Similar to how a hand pass cannot result in a direct to the net goal. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7879 - 31/08/2018 17:36:56 2137990 Link
An attacking mark is gaining support within GAA circles. It's deserving of more discussion on here. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7879 - 01/09/2018 20:46:20 2138242 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "13 a side would need to be trialed but my suspicion would be that it wouldn't be a success. The problem with Gaelic football isn't that there's a lack of space. It's that there's a lack of valuable space. All that matters is the scoring zone. So teams just concede the middle third. I think you will still teams in 13 a side just filter men back. There will be even more hand passing because when a team does win the ball they're even more likely to have few men forward. I really do feel the issue with football is driven by intercounty managers and the way the setup. Regardless of the rules they will be ultra negative." Jim McG had some ideas in the Indy during the week - using Basketball improvements to support his Gaelic arguments - his suggested highlights include no back pass over opponents 65 and long-range scores worth 2 pts. Personally, I feel 2 pts would be too much relative to both the 1-pt and 3-pts scores. I think 1.5 pts is about right - with 2 long-range scores worth 3 short ones over the bar. You could double the scoring scale to get rid of the halves - with 6-3-2 replacing 3-1.5-1 - or as I prefer, keep the traditional written scoring convention - 1-10 is still worth 13 pts, but 1-10-2 is worth 14 pts (incl 2 long-range 'points' worth one bonus pt) - just drop any 'odd' long-range score (pts rounded down). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2621 - 02/09/2018 03:19:58 2138290 Link
Replying To omahant: "Jim McG had some ideas in the Indy during the week - using Basketball improvements to support his Gaelic arguments - his suggested highlights include no back pass over opponents 65 and long-range scores worth 2 pts. Personally, I feel 2 pts would be too much relative to both the 1-pt and 3-pts scores. I think 1.5 pts is about right - with 2 long-range scores worth 3 short ones over the bar. You could double the scoring scale to get rid of the halves - with 6-3-2 replacing 3-1.5-1 - or as I prefer, keep the traditional written scoring convention - 1-10 is still worth 13 pts, but 1-10-2 is worth 14 pts (incl 2 long-range 'points' worth one bonus pt) - just drop any 'odd' long-range score (pts rounded down)." A point is a point, just as a goal is a goal. A try is a try, just as a drop goal is a drop goal. The attacking mark offers reward for taking risky foot pass into the full forward line. I'd agree with the Kildare manager's reluctance for the number of hand passes to be limited. Often simple solutions like the mark implemented from the kickout work best and are easily understood. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7879 - 02/09/2018 09:23:10 2138305 Link