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You did see the All Ireland hurling final , did you get to see the captains speech? Especially the bit were he thanked the sports science guys the Physio's, nutritionists , statisticians etc do you know anything at all about how the top inter county teams prepare??? I mean anything ??by the way I've noticed you haven't replied to the poster we're Joxer took you apart
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 23/08/2018 21:36:47 2136106 Link 3 |
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Meath benefitted a lot from Mayo people that were relocated there during he land commission reform...O'Malley, Dowd, Flynn all big names associated with Meath football are Mayo names. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 23/08/2018 22:08:26 2136119 Link 6 |
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Colm O Rourke is from Leitrim, I beleive. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 23/08/2018 22:23:42 2136125 Link 2 |
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They were in Division 3 together in 2013. They played in the league and Monaghan won by 1-18 to 2-03. Meath scored a goal in injury time . In the Division 3 final in Croke Park that year Monaghan beat Meath by 2-16 to 3-08. They met in Division 2 in 2014. Monaghan won that by 0-20 to 0-08. That's three fairly conclusive beatings . They haven't met since in the league because Monaghan have been operating at a higher level .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 23/08/2018 23:08:57 2136134 Link 0 |
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Its disappointing the Dubs response regarding demise of Meath Cork Down etc . When the Dubs were losing to Westmeath in 03 and laois in 04 and didnt reach a final for 16 years in 00s , the GAA community supported the Dubs. The Dubs response to counties decline like Meath and Cork is look at Mayo, look at Monaghan, its ur own fault. In 2005 , the GAA community did not say to the Dubs its ur own fault, look at Westmeath or Fermanagh. The GAA community was supportive and very encouraging. The Dubs response is the complete opposite now. A few questions 1 When Dublin didnt win leinster final in 11 years in the 60s and early 70s. What was their excuse? 2 When Dublin failed to reach All Ireland final for 16 years from 96 to 10. What was their excuse? 3 When Dublin couldnt beat any top teams in most of 00s eg Kerry Armagh Tyrone. What was their excuse? 4 When Dublin won their first 15 All Irelands with men from other counties and had very few native Dubs? What was their excuse? I will answer these questions. There was no excuses. The reasons why Dublin didnt reach All Ireland final in 16 years or why they didnt win leinster in 64 to 73 was down to many reasons which were multi layered and complicated. The same way the reasons for Meath and Corks deline are multi layered and complicated . It can be difficult to explain how county declines. But it can be easy to explain a counties sucess. It comes down to a talented group of players coming through at the same time under a brillant manager. Lets take Monaghan. A brillant team. An admirable team. One of the most respected teams in the country. Monaghan is a great football county. There sucess is down to many thing. Three areas I would focus on 1 Cycles 2 Everything comes together 3 A bit of luck thrown in. U cannot buy players like in soccer so u have to wait on players to come in cycles. Every county has a group of new players emerging every ten years or so. Sometimes there is a talented generation another times counties have a poor generation of players. Monaghan have had three great teams in their history eg 1930s , 80s and this decade. Basically Monaghan produce a strong team every 40 years. They are an example of small county with small population overachieving. Every decade we see such a smaller county making such an impact eg longford in 60s winning leinster div 1 league, Offaly win Sam 3 times in 70s and early 80s, Roscommon win 4 Connachts and div 1 league and reach final in late 70s, Derry winning Sam and leagues in 90s, Fermanagh reaching All Ireland semi finals in 00s. Monaghan are similar to these counties sucess. The issue for Monaghan is can they continue this sucess into 2020s. For Offaly and the above smaller counties couldnt continue their sucess. Monaghan sucess is also everything falling into place. A group of talented players all emerging on the scene at the same under a brillant manager. For me M O Rourke is the best manager in the country. I doubt Monaghan would have won 1 Ulster title without him. Also u need a bit of luck thrown in. If Sean Boylan was not offered the Meath job after everyone turned it down, if he didnt take it, Meath wouldn't have won 1 All Ireland. If Loughnane was not accepted as Clare manager in 95 Clare would still probaly be waiting for second Sam. Being in the right place at the right time also has a role. So the reasons why Meath Down Cork declined are multi layered and complicated. And at times very hard to explain. There is no gurantee Meath will return to the top. Meath could be the new Cavan. Cavan were football superpower for 70 plus years. Since 50s Cavan have declined. Wexford 14 to 18, Galway 56 to 66, Offaly 71 to 82 had similar sucess to Meath. They have never recovered. Meath had a sucessful run of 90 years. That cud be it. Meath might not win an All Ireland in next 50 or 60 years. That is a possibility. When kildare won 2 in a row in 1928 if u said they wouldnt win an All Ireland in the next 90 years , that wud have been unbelieveable to say, but that is what happened. The reasons why a strong football county can demise and stay in the doldrums is very difficult to explain at times There are many many reasons which intertwined. Some reasons are easy to explain. Others are unexplainable eg Why Wicklow have never won leinster title. But there is hope. Minor leinster wins and beating the All Ireland champions at under 20 this year and potentially some strong minor teams coming through in next few years, there is allot of work done on the ground. But there is no gurantee. Regards Meath and Dubs in the county. It is an issue on the ground. Any Dubs who say it isnt our wrong. Examples of underage Meath players supporting Dublin, well if that turns into majority of Meath players then Meath football is finished. Every county is defined by their rival. Tipp and kilkenny rivalry is central to both counties story for 100 years. The same for Cork and kerry and Mayo and Galway. No other counties have as many rivals on its border in football then Meath. These rivalries have been the making of Meath football. But the big one is Dublin. Meath went toe to toe with Dublin for 90 years which was the most unequal rivalry in Irish sport. The countries capital with most population resouces and power vesrsus an average midlands county. Every county has a physche. For generations of Meath footballers it was always about beating Dublin. Not just beating them once not just beating twice, but beating them over and over again and sending the Dubs to football wilderness for years. We have done this many times in the past..Mick lyons once said playing Dublin was a matter of life and death. How many current Meath players have that atitude?. Underage Meath players supporting Dublin are not going to understand what it means really to be Meath footballer. Meath footballers in the past lived and played just to beat the Dubs. Anyway hopefully Meath can turn it around. But the reasons why Meath have fallens are multi layered and complicated. There is no easy quick fix. But there are no excuses why Meath Cork Down kildare Derry Offaly Laois have fallen, just complex many multi layered reasons. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 23/08/2018 23:21:57 2136138 Link 1 |
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Yes absolutely you have named a few of them. However those although not that long ago were easier to integrate. Look it would have been a long drive for O'Malley or Flynn from bettystown to mayo or, for Dowd to go from athboy , however it isn't for players from rathoath or ashbourne to go to their Neighbouring parish in Dublin. These clubs both highly populated and both senior are seen as a feeder to dubs gaa. When the lads reach u14 16. They suddenly go to dubs trials. Has one of the biggest clubs in mayo Kerry Monaghan or wherever organized a bus (due to demand) to a dubs game on same DAY as that clubs county playing in championship?? Let me be clear again, I am not saying that is all that's wrong, it most certainly is not , but it is part of the problem and it can't be ignored the whole situation must be looked at, better underage coaching, making sure that those who want to play gaa want to play for Meath (maybe give financial support to the likes of donal keoghan graham Reilly (who does a awful lot of camps in cilles) Brian menton) etc to go to schools do bit of coaching or whatever, to make the kids want to be like them and play for Meath. A shake up of cb where the organization To reflect a more inclusive county where politics plays no part , more participating from those children not only with parents from different country but different countries (I think Meath haven't fully embraced that at all) proper sports science, fitness etc and what's more the backup of good communication for young teens to feel this is important. We have funding for a 20k all seater stadium, we need to be able to fill it , market Meath gaa as the best place in ire to play football and even hurling. The question I would ask if I was on county board , is not why are so many kids in Meath not wanting to play for Meath, but why is the kids in county not wanting to wipe the smug smile of the dubs faces.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/08/2018 07:54:17 2136158 Link 0 |
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Over simplified to say a team punch above their weight down to attitude. All other boxes must be ticked. Some of the other boxes are not ticked in similar counties. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 24/08/2018 09:25:37 2136168 Link 0 |
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I was at every single one of those games. I was pointing out that we were in div 3 together . Mainly because it was leveled at Meath that we spent a stint in div 3 but Monaghan wasn't mentioned. Funny thing is the argument would have benefited more if it was put that in same year we both got relegated and then promoted, would have been to ask why did Monaghan kick on and not Meath, instead of using ahh sure you were even in div 3 as a beat down. See what I'm getting at???
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/08/2018 09:33:14 2136170 Link 0 |
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My detailed response wasn't allowed. Enjoy the buildup to the final.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 24/08/2018 09:34:36 2136171 Link 0 |
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Agreed. The determination shown by every player in navan v Tyrone cannot be questioned. Ben Brennan a man overlooked for long time was motm that day in everyone's opinion from Meath. He faught Tooth and nail, 30 something micky burke getting the crowd behind team and leaving everything on the field. The 20+ players gave it their all, they wanted it more than Tyrone, but for various reasons it didn't end up as it should have. They kept coming back and should have had a equalizer free at end. And a penalty that more often than not would be given. Those are the breaks , we dust ourselves down, the lads plus new players trying out, will be out in November and I for one can't wait until obc starts and it all begins again
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/08/2018 09:43:49 2136173 Link 0 |
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Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 24/08/2018 10:05:24 2136181 Link 3 |
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The fact that both were in Division Three together in 2013 and that the gap in terms of performance between the two counties is now so pronounced does beg the question why .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/08/2018 10:25:41 2136184 Link 0 |
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Are Dublin people who settle in Meath not allowing their kids to play for Meath clubs? If they are then in no way should these kids be playing for Dublin teams. Also I wouldn't really want any new comers to my club if they weren't committed to the club. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 24/08/2018 10:25:41 2136185 Link 3 |
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Woe is Meath indeed Has it just become the norm to blame everyone else for ones own shortcomings? keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 24/08/2018 10:34:21 2136187 Link 3 |
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Are Dublin people who settle in Meath not allowing their kids to play for Meath clubs? If they are then in no way should these kids be playing for Dublin teams. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 24/08/2018 11:22:24 2136208 Link 2 |
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They allow them to get their skills up , train coach etc to a certain standard then they bring them to Dublin trials etc. I am specifically talking about donnaghmore ashbourne, rathoath (at underage as their senior club is the one with most players on Meath panel) and to a lesser extent dunboyne (home club of current management and of course Sean boylans club. ) but it is mostly underage that is suffering, anyone I have talked to from those 3 I mention say we feel like a nursery for the dubs. That's not what should happen, perhaps (and this will affect me personally) that you can only play for county you reside/work in. Not something I want to see, but unfortunately I don't see another alternative.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/08/2018 11:29:49 2136214 Link 0 |
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amen.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 24/08/2018 11:31:42 2136216 Link 2 |
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You would be inviting a siege mentality doing this. If you made young players feel unwelcome for wearing a Dublin jersey at training in a Meath club for instance, they would probably want to train in Dublin. Are there any instances of this fellow Meath GAA fans? I am just surmising here and have nothing to back up this hypothetical situation with. I have seen many young people walk around Ashbourne wearing Dublin Jerseys but have no info about what they wear to club training. Would this sort of rivalry not increase the county pride though rather than dilute it? Just saying. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 24/08/2018 11:36:26 2136220 Link 0 |
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How much is 'a little bit' MesAmis? I never heard of this tradition in Dublin.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 24/08/2018 11:38:25 2136222 Link 0 |
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Well how are their transfer requests being allowed then?
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 24/08/2018 11:40:24 2136224 Link 3 |