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Are Dublin Really "Saving Football"?

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Paul Curran thinks so... and said the game has changed for the worse "thanks mainly to our Ulster brethern". Is he just being biased? Dublin are no different to them in that they defend in numbers too. johnstown99 (Meath) - Posts: 33 - 20/08/2018 14:34:31 2134818 Link
Replying To johnstown99: "Paul Curran thinks so... and said the game has changed for the worse "thanks mainly to our Ulster brethern". Is he just being biased? Dublin are no different to them in that they defend in numbers too." We aren't saving it but we aren't ruining it either .. We're simply a brilliant team. No team goes for 4 all Irelands in a row being average. Dublin can play some breath taking football and they can play some really defensive stuff too. They can and have done both and like other teams who do play defensive football I don't believe a team should be castigated because of how they play, there is no rule in any rule book that says any team must play a certain way. People are being dramatic and saying football is dead, it's not. The upcoming final will still have a higher viewing numbers than the hurling I would guess. A lot of the attendance issues for me is down to economics. More games, closer time frame, same prices as previous years will equal people picking and choosing what games they go to. There are certain aspects of football that need fine tuning more so off the pitch than on it, The super 8s have potential but in no other sport is there a group stage after a knockout stage usually it's groups then knock out, Dublin having two games in croker is wrong and so that needs to be looked at. I suppose on the pitch, the state of Leinster and Munster in particular where Dublin and Kerry are (through no fault of their own) absolutely dominating is just too predictable. Hardcore fans will always go but a lot of people are keeping their money in their pockets for the bigger games cause these non competitive games are doing nobody any favours .. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 20/08/2018 14:58:01 2134837 Link
Someday Football will wake up and realise - that we are not all equal and they will discover the joys of graded championships - which is why the football leagues work. This artificial notion that all teams are equal is nonsense - people confuse being equal with being fair they are not the same thing. On the pitch I guess football is not redeemable jst the nature of the game its mechanics and structures encourage possession above everything else so unless the mechanics of the game is addressed it will be mostly boring. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 20/08/2018 15:27:20 2134863 Link
Replying To arock: "Someday Football will wake up and realise - that we are not all equal and they will discover the joys of graded championships - which is why the football leagues work. This artificial notion that all teams are equal is nonsense - people confuse being equal with being fair they are not the same thing. On the pitch I guess football is not redeemable jst the nature of the game its mechanics and structures encourage possession above everything else so unless the mechanics of the game is addressed it will be mostly boring." So, who would you grade with Dublin at the moment? neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 20/08/2018 17:41:49 2134949 Link
Replying To arock: "Someday Football will wake up and realise - that we are not all equal and they will discover the joys of graded championships - which is why the football leagues work. This artificial notion that all teams are equal is nonsense - people confuse being equal with being fair they are not the same thing. On the pitch I guess football is not redeemable jst the nature of the game its mechanics and structures encourage possession above everything else so unless the mechanics of the game is addressed it will be mostly boring." Football has realised a long time ago that we are not equal. The gap in standards from Division 1 to 4 is increasing annually. If the Super 8s has a future this will only widen the gap. If the GAA wishes to maintain interest in Gaelic Football in so-called weaker counties it needs to improve standards there by giving these counties slow progress by playing against counties of a higher standard. Something the GAA seems to have no interest in doing as it sees the dollar signs of the Super 8 and wants to bring in a tiered championship. Condescending plans for senior, intermediate and junior intercounty championships could prove to be the death of intercounty football in half of the country and a free recruitment campaign for their youths for rival sports. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 20/08/2018 21:54:28 2135037 Link
Replying To neverright: "So, who would you grade with Dublin at the moment?" Exactly. Dublin being utterly dominant has made the graded championship pointless. They will lose once in a blue moon to any team come Knockout championship the last time donegal 4 years ago. Back in 2014 and 2013 him gavin used to brag to the media how Dublin play lovely attacking football because they believed the game should be played in a certain way. It's quite obvious in the 4 years since donegal hammered their attacking style they've given up and changed their ways. They no longer believe they should play attractive football. Donegal 2012 and 2014 was at least entertaining. This current style of Dublin is slightly worse then donegal of 2011. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 20/08/2018 23:52:22 2135099 Link
No , no county can save football on there own , the more interesting questions are does it need saving ? and if so from what ? You can not find an ex county player with a good thing to say about the game at the moment, which leaves us a choice they are old bitter exp players trying to get a headline in the paper or they are people who know the game and are genuinely worried , many on here because it suits like to lay the blame at HQ and Dublin's door , if you take Dublin out of the equation will we suddenly see a new breed of coach all around Ireland with a more positive attitude or will the fear of losing still be the prevailing method of coaching , serious questions have been asked of the state of the game , the problem is everyone is divided on the source of the problem and more importantly the solution Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 21/08/2018 07:40:25 2135122 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "Exactly. Dublin being utterly dominant has made the graded championship pointless. They will lose once in a blue moon to any team come Knockout championship the last time donegal 4 years ago. Back in 2014 and 2013 him gavin used to brag to the media how Dublin play lovely attacking football because they believed the game should be played in a certain way. It's quite obvious in the 4 years since donegal hammered their attacking style they've given up and changed their ways. They no longer believe they should play attractive football. Donegal 2012 and 2014 was at least entertaining. This current style of Dublin is slightly worse then donegal of 2011." Dublin's current style isn't remotely as defensive as Donegal in 2011. They play more defensively than 2013 but in full flight their attack is great to watch. But one of their main advantages over other teams is their mental toughness and ability to grind out results in tight games. Jim Gavin's job is to keep Dublin winning matches not to entertain supporters. He's doing a pretty good job of it. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 21/08/2018 10:19:16 2135154 Link
Replying To waynoI: "We aren't saving it but we aren't ruining it either .. We're simply a brilliant team. No team goes for 4 all Irelands in a row being average. Dublin can play some breath taking football and they can play some really defensive stuff too. They can and have done both and like other teams who do play defensive football I don't believe a team should be castigated because of how they play, there is no rule in any rule book that says any team must play a certain way. People are being dramatic and saying football is dead, it's not. The upcoming final will still have a higher viewing numbers than the hurling I would guess. A lot of the attendance issues for me is down to economics. More games, closer time frame, same prices as previous years will equal people picking and choosing what games they go to. There are certain aspects of football that need fine tuning more so off the pitch than on it, The super 8s have potential but in no other sport is there a group stage after a knockout stage usually it's groups then knock out, Dublin having two games in croker is wrong and so that needs to be looked at. I suppose on the pitch, the state of Leinster and Munster in particular where Dublin and Kerry are (through no fault of their own) absolutely dominating is just too predictable. Hardcore fans will always go but a lot of people are keeping their money in their pockets for the bigger games cause these non competitive games are doing nobody any favours .." You are of course correct, that Dublin team are anything but average, alas right now the other 31 counties are. brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 21/08/2018 11:02:22 2135174 Link
Replying To brendtheredhand: "You are of course correct, that Dublin team are anything but average, alas right now the other 31 counties are." For me the other teams are not average, but they are coached to within an inch of their lives to not show individual flair , there is savage talent in many counties, I was talking to an inter county player last night he told me of a team that had 8 cameras watching their training sessions , they had nearly as many watching opposition games , for me that must spread a level of fear of the opposition , fear to be the one that makes a mistake,as long as teams are more afraid of losing than they are of putting the same effort into winning than average is all you will get Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 21/08/2018 17:38:23 2135371 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "Exactly. Dublin being utterly dominant has made the graded championship pointless. They will lose once in a blue moon to any team come Knockout championship the last time donegal 4 years ago. Back in 2014 and 2013 him gavin used to brag to the media how Dublin play lovely attacking football because they believed the game should be played in a certain way. It's quite obvious in the 4 years since donegal hammered their attacking style they've given up and changed their ways. They no longer believe they should play attractive football. Donegal 2012 and 2014 was at least entertaining. This current style of Dublin is slightly worse then donegal of 2011." Jack you are so far off Chief it's embarrassing... jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/08/2018 17:50:29 2135375 Link
The province have supreme athletes. When it comes to sports science, they've brought it to a whole new level. Mentally they are very strong, they stick to the process. The manager on the sideline is as cool as ice. If something isn't tight in the first half, the message gets across at half-time and the situation is rectified. When it comes to footballing ability, I've yet to consider them top two in any given year but their supreme athleticism, mental strength, dirty tricks and tactical changes to any given danger consistently gets them over the line in tight situations. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 21/08/2018 17:52:01 2135376 Link
Don't feed the troll <<<<<<< jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/08/2018 18:43:38 2135392 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The province have supreme athletes. When it comes to sports science, they've brought it to a whole new level. Mentally they are very strong, they stick to the process. The manager on the sideline is as cool as ice. If something isn't tight in the first half, the message gets across at half-time and the situation is rectified. When it comes to footballing ability, I've yet to consider them top two in any given year but their supreme athleticism, mental strength, dirty tricks and tactical changes to any given danger consistently gets them over the line in tight situations." HILL 16 IS PROVINCE ONLY !!!! waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 21/08/2018 18:57:16 2135398 Link
Seriously lads even the worst of farts quickly dissipate No need to kick up a fuss <<<<<< jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 21/08/2018 19:04:44 2135400 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The province have supreme athletes. When it comes to sports science, they've brought it to a whole new level. Mentally they are very strong, they stick to the process. The manager on the sideline is as cool as ice. If something isn't tight in the first half, the message gets across at half-time and the situation is rectified. When it comes to footballing ability, I've yet to consider them top two in any given year but their supreme athleticism, mental strength, dirty tricks and tactical changes to any given danger consistently gets them over the line in tight situations." Hahaha...such drivel. Your agenda is plain for all to see here. As a woman with Cork blood I don't like the Kerry supporters and I'm embarrassed for you with that post. I like this Dubs team for many reasons including their natural footballing talent which you won't recognise because you feel threatened by them. But the biggest reason of all that i like them is cos they've knocked Kerry right off their perch for the guts of 10 years. It's a beautiful thing!! Hon the Dubs!!! lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 21/08/2018 19:06:27 2135402 Link
Replying To lilylanger: "Hahaha...such drivel. Your agenda is plain for all to see here. As a woman with Cork blood I don't like the Kerry supporters and I'm embarrassed for you with that post. I like this Dubs team for many reasons including their natural footballing talent which you won't recognise because you feel threatened by them. But the biggest reason of all that i like them is cos they've knocked Kerry right off their perch for the guts of 10 years. It's a beautiful thing!! Hon the Dubs!!!" Fair enough if you do not agree, that's your opinion. Enjoy watching Gaelic Games and have a nice evening! :-) legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 21/08/2018 19:34:00 2135412 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The province have supreme athletes. When it comes to sports science, they've brought it to a whole new level. Mentally they are very strong, they stick to the process. The manager on the sideline is as cool as ice. If something isn't tight in the first half, the message gets across at half-time and the situation is rectified. When it comes to footballing ability, I've yet to consider them top two in any given year but their supreme athleticism, mental strength, dirty tricks and tactical changes to any given danger consistently gets them over the line in tight situations." You talking about Kerry's exploits in Munster here? I definitely don't consider them to be top two. Top five maybe, at a push. You've got the dirty tricks bit right, new set of jerseys required for the Dubs team at half time in Tralee last time we visited, but ice cool manager? Sure didn't he step down after being dismissed by a county whose fixation is on hurling? No not Cork, Galway. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 21/08/2018 20:40:30 2135426 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Fair enough if you do not agree, that's your opinion. Enjoy watching Gaelic Games and have a nice evening! :-)" ring-a-ring-a-rosie... as the light declines I'll remember the province city, in the rare oul times.... :) waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 21/08/2018 20:54:16 2135434 Link
here we go...just the start of it all again...last year we had ex dublin players coming out to put pressure on the ref about mayo's physicality...now we have curran starting the "dublin holier than thou" drivel that we will no doubt be subjected to for the next week mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 21/08/2018 21:11:19 2135440 Link