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raise his hand in the dying stages of the Tyrone Monaghan game as if to signal a free in to Monaghan only to then allow a play on situation?

Triple H (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 12/08/2018 17:43:56    2132319

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give a close in free to Tyrone late in the game when it was Colm Kavanagh who shoulder-charged into the chest of a Monaghan player ?

THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 12/08/2018 17:49:48    2132322

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Replying To Triple H:  "raise his hand in the dying stages of the Tyrone Monaghan game as if to signal a free in to Monaghan only to then allow a play on situation?"
Maybe he realized Kieran Hughes was trying to hoodwink him and he just caught himself on in time. He'd already let himself be hoodwinked by Conor Mc Carthy latching on to,I think Ronan Mc Namee,and pulling Mc Namee to the ground and winning himself and Monaghan a free and getting the Tyrone player yellow carded.
Although I often wonder the same thing about past incidents. I keep waking up at night because of Maurice Deegans laughing devilish face appearing to me in my sleep. It's always preceded by visions of big Padraig Mc Nulty being brought down in the Kerry goal mouth and being yellow carded for it in the 2015 semi final. Swings and roundabouts lads.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 12/08/2018 18:05:29    2132341

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He was telling Hughes to get up I thought. It certainly didn't look like a free to me.

Hughes had already bought a free previously as well so that may have been on the ref's mind.

Tyrone got some soft frees and Monaghan got some soft frees. Same as every other game ever played.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 12/08/2018 18:32:35    2132356

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "Maybe he realized Kieran Hughes was trying to hoodwink him and he just caught himself on in time. He'd already let himself be hoodwinked by Conor Mc Carthy latching on to,I think Ronan Mc Namee,and pulling Mc Namee to the ground and winning himself and Monaghan a free and getting the Tyrone player yellow carded.
Although I often wonder the same thing about past incidents. I keep waking up at night because of Maurice Deegans laughing devilish face appearing to me in my sleep. It's always preceded by visions of big Padraig Mc Nulty being brought down in the Kerry goal mouth and being yellow carded for it in the 2015 semi final. Swings and roundabouts lads."
Nah, McNamee dragged him down, very lucky not to see black.

Ref was poor today, zero consistency

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 12/08/2018 19:37:28    2132377

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Replying To MesAmis:  "He was telling Hughes to get up I thought. It certainly didn't look like a free to me.

Hughes had already bought a free previously as well so that may have been on the ref's mind.

Tyrone got some soft frees and Monaghan got some soft frees. Same as every other game ever played."
That was my view of it also.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1351 - 12/08/2018 19:57:41    2132387

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Until referees are told to apply the rules and not interpret them as they see fit there will never be consistency.

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 12/08/2018 19:58:10    2132388

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The question is was there actually a foul committed which merited a free in?

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 12/08/2018 20:07:10    2132393

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "Nah, McNamee dragged him down, very lucky not to see black.

Ref was poor today, zero consistency"
It was a foul alright by mc Namee and maybe it was even yellow card level offense but you could clearly seeMc Carthy latching on and taking him down with him. He clearly closes his arm in around mc names wrist. It was a free and yellow might suffice but you could see it was an attempt to make the most of it and possibly get player a black card.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 12/08/2018 20:14:27    2132399

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Really shocking standard of refereeing yet again today. Somebody needs to sit him down and explain the black card rule. It's not good enough to have incompetence like that at this level.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 12/08/2018 20:16:32    2132401

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Same ref that relegated Donegal by allowing 124 steps for the equaliser in the last minute v Mayo!

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 12/08/2018 20:25:51    2132409

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First five minutes Colm Cavanagh plays a ball over Ryan Mcanespie's head. Cool Cavanagh grabs Ryan and pulls him down on top of him. (It's showing clearly in the Montague at the start of the Sunday game). Referee then yellow cards Mcanespie.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 12/08/2018 22:08:14    2132445

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Ref was very poor, some bad calls and no calls, trips, balls being played on the ground, and his positioning for some crucial calls was very poor. And typical for most GAA ref's the third man tackle just seems to be beyond the ability of officials to grasp. Probably best to scrap some of the rules as most ref's don't apply them. And the advantage rule is meant to be just that - an advantage not an excuse for dodging a call. The question is was he inconsistent for both sides? I think over the game his calls/no calls favoured Tyrone. But sure who cares now anyway?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 12/08/2018 22:12:01    2132447

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "First five minutes Colm Cavanagh plays a ball over Ryan Mcanespie's head. Cool Cavanagh grabs Ryan and pulls him down on top of him. (It's showing clearly in the Montague at the start of the Sunday game). Referee then yellow cards Mcanespie."
i'd forgotten the fake free he gave against kelly that led to a free in the first half too. The more i see of it the more monaghan were robbed. You could see it in Hughes interview. He was bitterly dissappointed and rightly so. Its one thing to be beaten fair and square but to be robbed like that must be really hard to stomack

footballfirst (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 12/08/2018 22:15:04    2132448

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "First five minutes Colm Cavanagh plays a ball over Ryan Mcanespie's head. Cool Cavanagh grabs Ryan and pulls him down on top of him. (It's showing clearly in the Montague at the start of the Sunday game). Referee then yellow cards Mcanespie."
i'd forgotten the fake free he gave against kelly that led to a free in the first half too. The more i see of it the more monaghan were robbed. You could see it in Hughes interview. He was bitterly dissappointed and rightly so. Its one thing to be beaten fair and square but to be robbed like that must be really hard to stomack

footballfirst (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 12/08/2018 22:21:46    2132451

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The rules of Gaelic football do not get applied in All Ireland semi finals or finals.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 12/08/2018 22:32:52    2132458

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There were two frees given to Tyrone when players clearly charged monaghan defenders (colm cavanagh and mc cann) and the free award to Peter harte in the first half. None of these were frees and plain to see and all of them were obvious mistakes by the ref. All theses free were scored and that was the difference in a tight game. It's difficult for players/teams to accept this and even more so when the referees performance is beyond reproach.
The most disappointing aspect of the game was the sledging of monaghan players off the ball by a number for Tyrone players. This is my second time to see Tyrone this year the other being v Roscommon and it is a very unsavoury aspect of their game and it is disappointing that Mickey harte allows it . It is a part of the game I would like to see stamped out.
I believe the Gaa has to look at the ozzie rules model of having two refs on the field one monitor play the other the dark arts off the ball. The two refs are wired up to each other communicating constantly. It takes the pressure off an individual ref and then consistency should ensue.

Jonnycee (Longford) - Posts: 185 - 12/08/2018 22:33:38    2132460

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Replying To footballfirst:  "i'd forgotten the fake free he gave against kelly that led to a free in the first half too. The more i see of it the more monaghan were robbed. You could see it in Hughes interview. He was bitterly dissappointed and rightly so. Its one thing to be beaten fair and square but to be robbed like that must be really hard to stomack"
The thing with that one is, Cavanagh gets a black card for deliberate pull down and Tyrone lose their main man. It's so hard to stomach as a Monaghan supporter, but worse for them players who give up their life to dedicate themselves to play for Monaghan. 26 players working in Dublin and one in Belfast their commitment is savage and for Nolan to that is horrific.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 12/08/2018 22:37:37    2132463

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8 mins gone and mcmanus lies down and fouls the ball...subsequently monaghan allowed to retain posession and work a score from what should have been a free out to tyrone
11 mins ryan wylie foot trip on colm cavanagh..ref fails to give wylie a black card
12 mins...mcmanus wins a soft free after hampsey plays the ball..mcmanus didn't even have the ball in hand
15 mins...mcanespie drives his knee into tiernan mccanns back...free but no yellow card
17 mins...mcanespie drags cavanagh to the ground off the ball...yellow card but should be his second...
19 mins o'connell charges at tiernan mccann and earns a free...clear free out instead monaghan score from resulting free
21 mins foul committed by corey on mcgeary in a scorable position...no free given
24 mins...complaints that harte got a soft free by rte commentators...blatant push on the back..if mccanns tackle on mcmanus was a foul then this one was a free too
32mins...mcaliskey fouled by wylie 20 metres from goal...no free in given
and thats just the first half and the ref gave all the calls to tyrone??

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 13/08/2018 01:06:17    2132495

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "Until referees are told to apply the rules and not interpret them as they see fit there will never be consistency."
I would have thought that a ref first interprets the rule and then applies the rule in that order.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 13/08/2018 01:24:39    2132501

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