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Replying To blackspot91: "In fact I believe if cork and kilkenny had been in opposite championships, Cork would have 40+ all irelands." How do you mean, opposite championships? Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3424 - 14/08/2018 14:54:34 2133233 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "How do you mean, opposite championships?" cork in leinster, KK in munster Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 14/08/2018 15:05:33 2133235 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "We've been through this before, Miami, and that Galway 'win rate' is skewed, because the county reached numerous finals that they should never have been in, off the back of the 'golden ticket' arrangement, that saw Galway reach all-ireland semis automatically, year after year. Between 1975 and 1993 alone, Galway lost 7 finals that they possibly would not have contested, if they'd had to win a Munster or Leinster championship at the time. Take out those seven, and our win rate is a more normal 30%. Galway probably 'enjoyed' that uncontested route to finals on many occasions prior to 1975 as well, which magnifies the skew. In stark contrast, after remaining unbeaten through 5 championship jousts with KK & Clare recently, this current Galway setup will not be complaining about being undercooked heading to the 2018 final. By the way, that 17% number looks like it hasn't been updated with last year's win! Like Sinn Féin, we're up 3 points since last year!!" I agree with everything in your post but what CHANGED after 1980 that turned Galway from a perennial loser in every grade to one of the best? I think it was the cutthroat club scene that started it. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2126 - 14/08/2018 15:09:12 2133240 Link
I also believe whoever wins this year, it will have taken the most amount of games to win the AI. Galway on 9 games and Limerick will be on 8? It was only as recently as 2015 that Kilkenny won it in 4. Now the minimum will be 7 under the current format. Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 14/08/2018 15:18:02 2133245 Link
Replying To Miami305: "cork in leinster, KK in munster" thank you blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 14/08/2018 15:33:11 2133252 Link
Replying To Miami305: "WINS / MOST RECENT / FINAL LOSSES/ LAST LOSING FINAL / FINAL WIN RATIO 1 Kilkenny. 36 2015 26 2016 58% 2 Cork 30 2005 19 2013 61% 3 Tipperary 27 2016 13 2014 68% 4 Limerick 7 1973 8 2007 47% 5 Dublin 6 1938 14 1961 30% Wexford 6 1996 11 1977 35% 7 Galway 5 2017 19 2015 17% 8 Offaly 4 1998 3 2000 57% Clare 4 2013 4 2002 50% 10 Waterford 2 1959 4 2017 33% 11 Kerry 1 1891 0 - 100% London 1 1901 3 1903 25% Laois.svg Laois 1 1915 2 1949 33% 14 Antrim.svg Antrim 0 - 2 1989 0% Interesting looking at the stats, and how Galway's final win rate is by far the worst of any of the counties who have contested quite a few. Evidently every final is huge, but I really think this takes on even greater importance when defining this sides 'legacy'. Many of the guys have been around since 2012. In that time we will have contested 4 finals out of 7. If they manage to go back to back and make it 2 out of 4 AI's, that to me is a world away from 1 of 4. It will put such a different spin and light on it when we look back on it. Add to the fact winning back to back is notoriously difficult, especially for a non "big 3" county. Only Galway and Wexford have achieved it once each (55,56 wex and 87,88 Gal)" Galway's Alll Ireland final record has always been horrendous, and they would need to win another 14 titles to even get up to a 50% win ratio, which is highly unlikely in most of our lifetimes. I actually used to almost dread Galway getting into yet another All Ireland final, as I've seen them lose eight All Ireland finals since 1985, and part of you just knew that they would lose. So while this team is vastly different from any Galway team that I've ever seen in my lifetime, I still dread the thought of losing yet another All Ireland, but hopefully they can go some way on Sunday to increasing that win/lose ratio. gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 14/08/2018 16:41:32 2133281 Link
Replying To perfect10: "how can an all-ireland feel like "just another game". i can bet you one thing,in limerick it is far from just another game!" Indeed I must agree with you here perfect10. There is a real sense of anticipation on shannonside in last 2 weeks. On a recent trip home I had the pleasure of meeting john kiely as I know him from years back. doubleginplease (Limerick) - Posts: 19 - 14/08/2018 16:52:49 2133296 Link
Replying To blackspot91: "In fact I believe if cork and kilkenny had been in opposite championships, Cork would have 40+ all irelands." Drivel.You might believe it but theres no way you can ever prove it. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 14/08/2018 16:54:09 2133299 Link
Replying To Condorman: "Drivel.You might believe it but theres no way you can ever prove it." Just my interpretation of the facts and figures. I never said I could prove it. Show me the flaws in my logic. I cant see how someone cant see at least at little bit where I'm coming from. Cork have had an ever present rival in tipperary as well as limerick clare and Waterford from time to time just to get to a semi final. Kilkenny clearly had less obstacles to overcome. Take kk and cork out of each championship and that leaves 40 titles to Munster teams and 19 to leinster which shows higher competition. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 14/08/2018 17:05:53 2133306 Link
Replying To Condorman: "Drivel.You might believe it but theres no way you can ever prove it." Its a hypothetical, of course it cant be proven, doesnt mean we cant talk about them. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 14/08/2018 17:08:00 2133309 Link
Replying To Condorman: "Drivel.You might believe it but theres no way you can ever prove it." Or hypothetically, if Kilkenny were in Munster, they might have another 10-15........again, hypothetically :) StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1733 - 14/08/2018 20:01:42 2133379 Link
Who cares about the past, Galway are going to win the All Ireland for 2018! katser2 (Galway) - Posts: 41 - 14/08/2018 21:53:55 2133405 Link
Replying To katser2: "Who cares about the past, Galway are going to win the All Ireland for 2018!" I hope so. lol. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2126 - 14/08/2018 22:20:29 2133411 Link
even though im a galway man I think it would be great to see limerick win an all Ireland it would really cap what has been a great year for hurling rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 14/08/2018 22:29:33 2133416 Link
Replying To rhudson: "even though im a galway man I think it would be great to see limerick win an all Ireland it would really cap what has been a great year for hurling" Its like I said last year vs Waterford I couldn't begrudge them beating us if it happened. I feel the same way about Limerick. Galway Abu! Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2126 - 14/08/2018 22:53:18 2133422 Link
Replying To Miami305: "WINS / MOST RECENT / FINAL LOSSES/ LAST LOSING FINAL / FINAL WIN RATIO 1 Kilkenny. 36 2015 26 2016 58% 2 Cork 30 2005 19 2013 61% 3 Tipperary 27 2016 13 2014 68% 4 Limerick 7 1973 8 2007 47% 5 Dublin 6 1938 14 1961 30% Wexford 6 1996 11 1977 35% 7 Galway 5 2017 19 2015 17% 8 Offaly 4 1998 3 2000 57% Clare 4 2013 4 2002 50% 10 Waterford 2 1959 4 2017 33% 11 Kerry 1 1891 0 - 100% London 1 1901 3 1903 25% Laois.svg Laois 1 1915 2 1949 33% 14 Antrim.svg Antrim 0 - 2 1989 0% Interesting looking at the stats, and how Galway's final win rate is by far the worst of any of the counties who have contested quite a few. Evidently every final is huge, but I really think this takes on even greater importance when defining this sides 'legacy'. Many of the guys have been around since 2012. In that time we will have contested 4 finals out of 7. If they manage to go back to back and make it 2 out of 4 AI's, that to me is a world away from 1 of 4. It will put such a different spin and light on it when we look back on it. Add to the fact winning back to back is notoriously difficult, especially for a non "big 3" county. Only Galway and Wexford have achieved it once each (55,56 wex and 87,88 Gal)" Fair play to you for putting that together. I think Galway's experience will get them over the line though. It is Galway's 4 year in a final in 7 seasons and winning last year is huge. It would be an amazing achievement for this Limerick team to win it at the first attempt. Even Cody lost his first final. I'd love to see Limerick win it but I think Galway know how to get the wins this year without reaching the heights of last year. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 15/08/2018 01:11:03 2133452 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "Or hypothetically, if Kilkenny were in Munster, they might have another 10-15........again, hypothetically :)" Except you hypothetical goes against the stats. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 15/08/2018 01:50:07 2133456 Link
Galway have been awesome for periods in every game this year but seem to then switch off and drop their levels for similar periods. It almost looks like a fitness thing but I seriously doubt that. Back to Backs are so hard won, it can be difficult to have the same hunger...I'd imagine. However, if Galway do play for 70 mins or close to it then I've no doubt they will win. If the levels taper off like the Clare games then Limerick are the one team you dont want to be playing. Hannon versus Canning will be some battle and whoever comes out on top may just get hurler of the year. Canning for me was quiet last year (I'll get ridiculed again for that) but this year he has been excellent and far more important to the Galway forward line. Hannon for me is the player that makes Limerick tick and he has had a superb year and currently is my hurler of the year. I'll go go with form and say Limerick may just pip them. I'll be keeping my money in my pocket though! tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 15/08/2018 08:40:24 2133469 Link
4 days out lads,there is a serious lack of hype. i know it will build to the weekend,but at present there is no talk,stories,etc. i cant help but think the modern "closed camp" team setup,on the week the premier league returned,have meant the biggest day of the year is going to come and go in a flash. having media nights over a week before the final is daft,if players and squads cant enjoy the lead up to an all-ireland final,the day they have dreamt their whole life of playing on,then you might as well throw your hat at it. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 15/08/2018 08:53:32 2133472 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "Galway have been awesome for periods in every game this year but seem to then switch off and drop their levels for similar periods. It almost looks like a fitness thing but I seriously doubt that. Back to Backs are so hard won, it can be difficult to have the same hunger...I'd imagine. However, if Galway do play for 70 mins or close to it then I've no doubt they will win. If the levels taper off like the Clare games then Limerick are the one team you dont want to be playing. Hannon versus Canning will be some battle and whoever comes out on top may just get hurler of the year. Canning for me was quiet last year (I'll get ridiculed again for that) but this year he has been excellent and far more important to the Galway forward line. Hannon for me is the player that makes Limerick tick and he has had a superb year and currently is my hurler of the year. I'll go go with form and say Limerick may just pip them. I'll be keeping my money in my pocket though!" I never bought this 'play for 70 minutes' thing. If 2 teams are at a similar level its literally impossible for one to 'play for 70 minutes' assuming that means be in control/dominate for the whole game. even when limerick hammered Carlow, they still had there 10 or 15 minutes on top. If it's a fairly even match then it's more about who can be more efficient during there 30 or 40 minutes when they're on top. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 15/08/2018 11:01:49 2133514 Link