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Replying To neverright: "Complete nonesence. Football players today are far more skillful than players of the, even the relatively recent pass. Pundits complain about how tactical the game has become and indeed about the choice of tactics. Many pine for the past when the only tactic was to kick the ball as far as you could in the general direction of opposing team's goal and hope that your player could outfield his opposite number - a tactic that still survives in most hurling games. Brainless" Away with you boy. It is understandable if you never seen real football. Then you go on to call hurling brainless. Using this puke football in the same sentence as hurling is disgusting.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 04/08/2018 20:56:14
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Replying To neverright: "Complete nonesence. Football players today are far more skillful than players of the, even the relatively recent pass. Pundits complain about how tactical the game has become and indeed about the choice of tactics. Many pine for the past when the only tactic was to kick the ball as far as you could in the general direction of opposing team's goal and hope that your player could outfield his opposite number - a tactic that still survives in most hurling games. Brainless" Away with you boy. It is understandable if you never seen real football. Then you go on to call hurling brainless. Using this puke football in the same sentence as hurling is disgusting.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 04/08/2018 21:12:00
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'The coordination and support play now is way better than in the day when players had more room and could get by their man and destroy a defense that easily.
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Not sure about that as most players are unable to defend without fouling and some of them proceed to pull around the neck. No players able to run and jump to catch the ball- they had to bring in a new rule to protect the guy who makes a catch in midfield from kick outs and many shoulder charges are been blown as fouls. A lot of players cannot kick pass the ball 30m accurately and some even have difficulty hand passing accurately. Now these are basic skills of the game.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 04/08/2018 22:28:40
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I enjoyed football in the 70s and 80s and I enjoy following it still. Obviously, compared to the sneering malcontents, I have no taste and no class, but I don't give a flying, I'm a lot happier than those miserable know-alls. Part of the pundit problem is that they literally don't know what they're talking about; and, worse, are too arrogant and/or lazy to catch up with the modern game. The game has changed; they're not competent to offer intelligent analysis; all they can do is compare it to the version of the game they played in the last century - and to cover up up their ignorance, they resort to sneers and abuse. They could start by reading this article:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/new-position-needed-on-line-ups-333297.html
I watched some soccer games in the recent world cup. Depending on what was needed, teams there played defensively or offensively - one team, playing a team with better players, shut up shop in the first half. Then they conceded a flukey goal and they switched to very attacking play in the second half. Now, had they been a Gaelic team, they'd have been gutted for their very defensive first half display. But the soccer commentators have far more sense than a couple of our GAA commentators - they accept that defensive % play is as valid as the 'shoot the lights out and to h€ll with tactics' approach.
But in GAA-pundit-land, only one style of play - reckless attack - is favoured. Seemingly, it's more important to keep neutral and fair weather fans 'entertained'. God be with the days in the 70s when goalies always kicked her long (as if the match was a kind of kick fada contest), even if your midfield was being slaughtered. No matter, straight down the middle every time. Footballing suicide, but presumably great 'entertainment'. If modern GAA is such a burden to you, find yourself another sport folks. Try basketball. Tons of scores and no defending to speak of. Me? If we can go any further in the championship, I'll be on cloud 9 - and if we can prevail in a bruising, mean-spirited, low-scoring defensive encounter, I'll enjoy it even more.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 04/08/2018 22:38:22
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Replying To browncows: "'The coordination and support play now is way better than in the day when players had more room and could get by their man and destroy a defense that easily.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2064'
Not sure about that as most players are unable to defend without fouling and some of them proceed to pull around the neck. No players able to run and jump to catch the ball- they had to bring in a new rule to protect the guy who makes a catch in midfield from kick outs and many shoulder charges are been blown as fouls. A lot of players cannot kick pass the ball 30m accurately and some even have difficulty hand passing accurately. Now these are basic skills of the game." Honestly if you're complaining about kick passing you have to go back to watch videos of past games.
The scutter that those boys played. The amount of ball they'd send into the forwards and it'd go out over the side line or end line.
I can see that it could be exciting but it was not high quality.
There was plenty of pulling and dragging back in the day.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 04/08/2018 22:38:57
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Replying To Canuck: "Away with you boy. It is understandable if you never seen real football. Then you go on to call hurling brainless. Using this puke football in the same sentence as hurling is disgusting." You are having a laugh - Waterford who introduced the 'blanket' to hurling but still continued to drive the ball long into a non-existent forward line - 'puke' in the extreme. Your footballers may not be world beaters but they play with only one sweeper.
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It's pretty annoying the mentality of football people. If there's a great hurling match, hurling people rave and praise it to the high heavens. Not every match is amazing though. Especially when Kilkenny were in their pomp.
There's constantly people declaring the end of the world. The skill levels and athleticism are extremely high. There's still many good dames. Teams play the way that gives them the best chance of winning, is this a surprise?
And like, the viewing figures are still very good, so people obviously don't mind so much?
HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 06/08/2018 22:17:49
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For me football peaked 1991-2005.
Derry v Down 1994.
Meath/Kildare trilogy 1997.
Dublin v Meath Leinster final 1995.
Galway v Derry and v Kildare 1998.
Armagh v Tyrone 3 games 2005.
Tyrone v Kerry 2005.
Down v Meath 1991.
Armagh v Kerry and replay 2000.
Meath v Tyrone 1996.
To name a few. I think increased fitness of players has congested the pitch nowadays too. 13 aside might help. The way things are going in rural Ireland lots of clubs would be happy with that too. Towns growing so much.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 06/08/2018 22:41:35
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Replying To Whammo86: "Honestly if you're complaining about kick passing you have to go back to watch videos of past games.
The scutter that those boys played. The amount of ball they'd send into the forwards and it'd go out over the side line or end line.
I can see that it could be exciting but it was not high quality.
There was plenty of pulling and dragging back in the day." Are you trying to, tell me that there is now no pulling and dragging. Obviously you have not watched the last 10 minutes of last years final to see all the rugby tackles made without ant consequences. The ball they now send in goes straight to the opposition- better it went over the side line, or end line.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 07/08/2018 00:37:52
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Its amazing how easily some people are led by social media. I know people who have taken to twitter and changed their tune once they see what the consensus on certain matters are. I've no problem with that if people are being informed or learning more about certain items as opposed to seeing whats trending or popular and following the herd.
In the GAA context, certain ex players are demons for throwing out click bait material and looking to see who they can catch. Certain journalists with large followings do the exact same thing to plug their story / article. The point they make originally gets lost in the mix and such debates descend into petulance.
Very few pro-super 8's in the main stream media and those that were against have been out in force since the first game. There has been good games, but its easier to bang on about how bad or unfair or how stupid things are and get a reaction.
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Another thing that needs to stop is jeering when the opposition miss a scoring chance.
Its par for the course on the hill when Dublin are playing, but it's now creeping into other counties.
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Replying To theweanling: "https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/its-atrocious-stuff-former-dublin-manager-tom-carr-claims-you-would-have-to-pay-him-to-watch-modern-gaelic-football-37180940.html
after a fantastic weekend of hurling its easy to see how football can be treated as the poor relation for a week at least for entertainment value, I've seen my fair share of poor games in my lifetime but i've seen an equal amount of very entertaining breathtaking battles from all ireland finals (most recent 2016/17) right down to league games in a wet Breffni park. pundits have been vocal for years now on the biggest threat to gaelic football and I'm thinking of Brolly who was the first to voice concerns, but in the last 3 years or so and particularly this year the criticism has escalated to become a monster at risk of consuming our game. first of all i will admit that the level of tactics as interesting as they are, are actually having a negative effect on our game however the constant criticism is putting football at serious risk in every club in every county. articles like the above are the go to subject now and is what sells papers apparently but to the extreme detriment of the game. as i read in another forum on this, no other sports pundits criticise the game like gaelic football. this level of criticism is brainwashing the public, it is the NO. 1 threat to our game!!!!" Completely agree with the above. Whenever I hear Joe Brolly talking about tactics I just completely ignore him as he is making up stuff to suit his own agenda against the game. His 1-13-1 formation tripe that he regularly regurgitates in his column in the Sunday Independent is a tale of complete lies and fake news! He is making stuff up about teams like Galway and Tyrone that he does not even happen and is so insulting to the likes of ! He lives in a land where he thinks Dublin play this swash buckling Barcelona style football when the reality shows they play the exact same as all of the top teams, they are just better at it! When Dublin don't have the ball they get more men back behind the ball than anyone else the only difference being that they counter attack and savage speed, which is helped by smaller opposition in Leinster being afraid of them and standing off.
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