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would there be support for abolishing the provincial championships and having a super 10 for hurling? perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 30/07/2018 21:43:32 2127669 Link
Replying To perfect10: "would there be support for abolishing the provincial championships and having a super 10 for hurling?" I doubt it. It's been an excellent hurling championship this year with cracking games every week. I think they've nailed it with this format and don't see it changing for some time. Also, provincial councils would never have it. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5018 - 31/07/2018 04:58:11 2127725 Link
Replying To perfect10: "would there be support for abolishing the provincial championships and having a super 10 for hurling?" Yes but with a few tweaks to give the likes of Laois, Westmeath, Antrim a route in at the start of the season. The championship 1 would have 10 teams. Top 4 to All Ireland semifinals. Top 7 retain their place for following season. Championship 2 winner also gets a place. There'd be an 8 team All Ireland qualifier competition at the start of the season. It'd be made up of the following: 8th-10th from Previous seasons championship 1 2nd-5th from previous seasons championship 2. Winner of Previous seasons championship 3. 2 groups of 4, top 2 in each to semifinals, finalists qualify for championship 1. Championship 2 would be 8 teams playing a single round round robin. Top 2 to the championship 2 final. It would also have 2 places open at the start of the season for a qualifying competition. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 31/07/2018 06:10:03 2127726 Link
Replying To perfect10: "would there be support for abolishing the provincial championships and having a super 10 for hurling?" Absolutely not. This could only come about if it ever went professional which I don't ever envisage. They are amateurs with life and work outside the game. 9 rounds of championship intensity? There wouldn't be a hurler left fit in any county. Tadhgmacda (Limerick) - Posts: 99 - 31/07/2018 11:48:16 2127802 Link
No way - agree with the earlier poster who says "Hurling has nailed it". Conceptually Football has made a mess of it. Football, as usual, has messed it up. Most sports (not just soccer, thinking NFL, Cricket and rugby World Cups) - you have the group stages, sort out the contenders building up to play-offs /knock-out. Hurling has done exactly that - the 5 team (2 home, 2 away matches) - then knock-on after that is perfect. The stakes and tension build as as you progress. Its excellent - needs a few tweaks but not too much. Football is ( knock-out well 2 step knock-out) then group stages. Completely daft. And sadly the Super 8s like everything in football now (including the game itself) boring. Well done Hurling. Solo_Run (Leitrim) - Posts: 209 - 31/07/2018 13:10:57 2127842 Link
There should concentrated action done to bring more teams to the top table in hurling. Why are some counties so strong and their neighbours not? Too easy to say tradition and they will never get there. Build a model that works for all based on those who are successful. How about putting counties together. Meath/Westmeath, Carlow/Laois, Down/Derry, Connaught less Galway, Wicklow/Kildare/Louth. Kerry are isolated surrounded by strong counties. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2671 - 31/07/2018 13:53:41 2127864 Link
The big issue is the disparity in the provinces......any one of five could emerge in any given year in Munster but in Leinster nine times out of ten it will be KK, Galway and Wexford over the next 4-5 yrs based on current form.......Limerick could win the all Ireland this year and yet struggle to come out of Munster such is the competitiveness between the teams in Munster currently. PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 31/07/2018 14:19:42 2127878 Link
Replying To Tadhgmacda: "Absolutely not. This could only come about if it ever went professional which I don't ever envisage. They are amateurs with life and work outside the game. 9 rounds of championship intensity? There wouldn't be a hurler left fit in any county." 2 x groups of 5 was my idea. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 31/07/2018 15:02:01 2127889 Link
Replying To Canuck: "There should concentrated action done to bring more teams to the top table in hurling. Why are some counties so strong and their neighbours not? Too easy to say tradition and they will never get there. Build a model that works for all based on those who are successful. How about putting counties together. Meath/Westmeath, Carlow/Laois, Down/Derry, Connaught less Galway, Wicklow/Kildare/Louth. Kerry are isolated surrounded by strong counties." up to the county boards to get their house in order,promote hurling,etc in my view. i would be more concerned with the likes of laois,offaly and antrim as a starting place for any massive action. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 31/07/2018 15:03:28 2127890 Link
Replying To PaudieSull1: "The big issue is the disparity in the provinces......any one of five could emerge in any given year in Munster but in Leinster nine times out of ten it will be KK, Galway and Wexford over the next 4-5 yrs based on current form.......Limerick could win the all Ireland this year and yet struggle to come out of Munster such is the competitiveness between the teams in Munster currently." Im not so sure about Leinster. Dublin will soon make a big impact. That leaves a weak 5th place only. As for a super 10 yes maybe in time but not now for sure. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 31/07/2018 18:27:16 2127974 Link
The one thing about a straight round robin is that it cuts out the stupid relegation system. Where Kerry are at a disadvantage to the other Munster teams. This format has been great but I think mainly because there are so many good matches. I can't see how adding games like Kilkenny Tipp, Galway Waterford hurts the competition. You should still finish with 4 teams in the playoffs. With how tight things are I'd say each year going into the latter stages you'd still have 6 or 7 teams in the mix. As for too many games. I think dropping the league and playing championship over a long time frame with club breaks scheduled would work well. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 31/07/2018 19:50:21 2128000 Link
Replying To perfect10: "would there be support for abolishing the provincial championships and having a super 10 for hurling?" With all due respect perfect10, what would be point at this stage? Either by accident or design, the GAA have stumbled upon a near perfect championship format for hurling. We already have a de facto "super 10" format while at the same time maintaining the provincial championships (and let's face it, the Munster hurling championship is nigh on untouchable so any proposal which advocates its abolition is unrealistic). ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 31/07/2018 21:23:11 2128024 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "With all due respect perfect10, what would be point at this stage? Either by accident or design, the GAA have stumbled upon a near perfect championship format for hurling. We already have a de facto "super 10" format while at the same time maintaining the provincial championships (and let's face it, the Munster hurling championship is nigh on untouchable so any proposal which advocates its abolition is unrealistic)." you are probably right. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 31/07/2018 22:27:11 2128054 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "The one thing about a straight round robin is that it cuts out the stupid relegation system. Where Kerry are at a disadvantage to the other Munster teams. This format has been great but I think mainly because there are so many good matches. I can't see how adding games like Kilkenny Tipp, Galway Waterford hurts the competition. You should still finish with 4 teams in the playoffs. With how tight things are I'd say each year going into the latter stages you'd still have 6 or 7 teams in the mix. As for too many games. I think dropping the league and playing championship over a long time frame with club breaks scheduled would work well." Yes, Sir - absolutely agree. You could even have 4 all-Muns and 4 all-Lein group matches doubling as Prov KO as well - with Prov QFs, SFs, Fs in say, group rds 2, 4, 6, respectively. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2626 - 31/07/2018 22:44:11 2128064 Link
the hurling format seems fairly flawless at the minute bar the disadvatage kerry are at but here's what i would do to football: scrap the provincials and split the country into a northern section and a southern one. split each section into 2 divisions (based on league positon). then draw two groups from each division of 8. first place in each group in north/south division a qualify directly for the all ireland quarters. second place in each group in north/south division a play off for the 5th and 6th quarter final slots. first placed teams in each group in north/south division a play off for 7th and 8th quarter final slots. so the all ireland quarter finals will look like: north section division 1 group a winner north section division 1 group b winner south section division 1 group a winner south section division 1 group b winner north section division 1 group a/b second place south section division 1 group a/b second place north section division 2 group a/b winner south section division 2 group a/b winner NaomhNaille (Donegal) - Posts: 124 - 31/07/2018 23:22:35 2128071 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "The one thing about a straight round robin is that it cuts out the stupid relegation system. Where Kerry are at a disadvantage to the other Munster teams. This format has been great but I think mainly because there are so many good matches. I can't see how adding games like Kilkenny Tipp, Galway Waterford hurts the competition. You should still finish with 4 teams in the playoffs. With how tight things are I'd say each year going into the latter stages you'd still have 6 or 7 teams in the mix. As for too many games. I think dropping the league and playing championship over a long time frame with club breaks scheduled would work well." Exactly. Drop the stupid league that few have interest in. The extra money is and will come from the round robin. It will also allow for real county championships played in better conditions. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2671 - 31/07/2018 23:31:55 2128073 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "With all due respect perfect10, what would be point at this stage? Either by accident or design, the GAA have stumbled upon a near perfect championship format for hurling. We already have a de facto "super 10" format while at the same time maintaining the provincial championships (and let's face it, the Munster hurling championship is nigh on untouchable so any proposal which advocates its abolition is unrealistic)." Ballydalane do I sense a little bit of sarcasm re your comment on the Munster championship? The reason why the Munster championship is nigh on untouchable is because of what we all have witnessed this yr in that championship. By the way couldn't agree more on your comments of near perfect format someday (Limerick) - Posts: 1104 - 31/07/2018 23:58:54 2128078 Link
Replying To someday: "Ballydalane do I sense a little bit of sarcasm re your comment on the Munster championship? The reason why the Munster championship is nigh on untouchable is because of what we all have witnessed this yr in that championship. By the way couldn't agree more on your comments of near perfect format" No, not at all, just a recognition that any proposal to change the hurling championship which abolished the provincial (particularly Munster) championships would be doomed to failure. Galway's entry into Leinster has helped as it's gone a long way to evening up the competitiveness between the provinces. If anything, there is more of an argument for scrapping the provincial championships in football, which are a complete mixed bag in terms of competitiveness, number of teams etc. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 01/08/2018 04:00:16 2128097 Link
Replying To perfect10: "would there be support for abolishing the provincial championships and having a super 10 for hurling?" No. Its been an unbelievable year in hurling. Don't change anything. The only work that needs to be done is more promotion in the weaker counties like Tipp and Kilkenny but other than that hurling is fine. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2492 - 01/08/2018 06:07:40 2128104 Link
Replying To someday: "Ballydalane do I sense a little bit of sarcasm re your comment on the Munster championship? The reason why the Munster championship is nigh on untouchable is because of what we all have witnessed this yr in that championship. By the way couldn't agree more on your comments of near perfect format" Except Kerry aren't allowed in, and there is virtually no chance of a Munster county being relegated!!! StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1737 - 01/08/2018 08:44:59 2128121 Link