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Two games to go, possibly more depending on draws. Too often do the All Ireland finalists get nearly all of the awards. I hope this year is different and they actually award individuals based on individual performances rather than on the team they happen to play for. I'll give my opinion on the All Star 15 I would pick as it stands: Eoin Murphy Liam Ryan Daithi Burke Richie English Seadna Morey Declan Hannon Mark Coleman Daragh Fitzgibbon Johnny Coen Cathal Mannion TJ Reid Peter Duggan Graeme Mulcahy John Conlon Aaron Gillane I really hope the outstanding performances by Eoin Murphy and TJ Reid are not forgotten. Kilkenny won the league and pushed all Ireland finalists limerick all the way, thanks to the individual brilliance of Murphy and Reid. Wexford got to the national league semi final and all Ireland quarter final with Liam Ryan being outstanding everyday particularly on John Conlon in the 1/4 final. These counties didn't make the semi finals but I believe those three individuals are worthy of all stars considering their individual performances in what is an individual based award. 890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 29/07/2018 22:34:17 2127397 Link
Replying To 890202: "Two games to go, possibly more depending on draws. Too often do the All Ireland finalists get nearly all of the awards. I hope this year is different and they actually award individuals based on individual performances rather than on the team they happen to play for. I'll give my opinion on the All Star 15 I would pick as it stands: Eoin Murphy Liam Ryan Daithi Burke Richie English Seadna Morey Declan Hannon Mark Coleman Daragh Fitzgibbon Johnny Coen Cathal Mannion TJ Reid Peter Duggan Graeme Mulcahy John Conlon Aaron Gillane I really hope the outstanding performances by Eoin Murphy and TJ Reid are not forgotten. Kilkenny won the league and pushed all Ireland finalists limerick all the way, thanks to the individual brilliance of Murphy and Reid. Wexford got to the national league semi final and all Ireland quarter final with Liam Ryan being outstanding everyday particularly on John Conlon in the 1/4 final. These counties didn't make the semi finals but I believe those three individuals are worthy of all stars considering their individual performances in what is an individual based award." You have picked 3 players who's teams didnt mke the semi final. I doubt very much that would happen and becuase of that I doubt Liam Ryan has a chance. I dont also think TJ will, but Eoin Murhy should get goalkeeper. For my own country, John Conlon is a shoe in and if we beat Galway, next week I also think he will be favorite for hurler of the year. I dont think Morey will get one, but as an outside change, I think Jack Brown has been super all year and our best defender by a mile. If we beat Galway, I see him getting an All star too. Duggan has a good chance and as has Shane O Donnell but really, if someone like Tony Kelly lites up the semi final and if we made it the final, he could well be in with a shout for hurler of the year whereas at the moment I am not sure if he would get an All Star. That is the problem with All Stars, they are so heavily weighted to who makes the final not who are the top performers. For that reason i cannot see more than 2 players that didnt get to the semi final getting all stars, potentially it will only be Eoin Murphy. That would be my guess. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2490 - 30/07/2018 05:53:24 2127429 Link
I'd agree with the general point about them being weighted too heavily on the final. This year given the extra number of competitive games each team has had, players have had a greater platform to be seen. I'd hope this leads to a more balanced selection, but I wouldn't bet on it. I'd expect Eoin Murphy to be the keeper regardless, but I wouldn't agree with your selection of TJ. I think some of his performances were slightly overrated in this year's championship. His total from play in 7 games was 1-7. I accept that he contributes a lot more than this though, and he is a phenomenal free/penalty taker. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 30/07/2018 09:03:29 2127438 Link
TJ won't get one. Joe has been better this year than last year in my opinion. I dont know the state but he has certainly scored a lot more per game. If Galway win the All Ireland then Padraic Mannion will probably get hurler of the year. As it stands Eoin Murphy defintely deserves one. I'd also have Cian Lynch in the team. You could make good arguments for up to 30 players at this point! Could Shane Dowling be this years Kieran Donahy and pick up an all star? Don't forget hpow good Horgan was up to yesterday as well. For me as it stands, I would have Conlon, Hannon, Duggan & Mannion in that order as the front runners for hurler of the year. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 30/07/2018 10:11:03 2127454 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "TJ won't get one. Joe has been better this year than last year in my opinion. I dont know the state but he has certainly scored a lot more per game. If Galway win the All Ireland then Padraic Mannion will probably get hurler of the year. As it stands Eoin Murphy defintely deserves one. I'd also have Cian Lynch in the team. You could make good arguments for up to 30 players at this point! Could Shane Dowling be this years Kieran Donahy and pick up an all star? Don't forget hpow good Horgan was up to yesterday as well. For me as it stands, I would have Conlon, Hannon, Duggan & Mannion in that order as the front runners for hurler of the year." Padraig Mannion will walk an All Star and could challenge for hurler of the year he has been outstanding. LemonySnickett (Louth) - Posts: 88 - 31/07/2018 14:20:25 2127879 Link
Replying To LemonySnickett: "Padraig Mannion will walk an All Star and could challenge for hurler of the year he has been outstanding." Yep, an all star without a shadow of a doubt tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 31/07/2018 14:44:17 2127884 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "TJ won't get one. Joe has been better this year than last year in my opinion. I dont know the state but he has certainly scored a lot more per game. If Galway win the All Ireland then Padraic Mannion will probably get hurler of the year. As it stands Eoin Murphy defintely deserves one. I'd also have Cian Lynch in the team. You could make good arguments for up to 30 players at this point! Could Shane Dowling be this years Kieran Donahy and pick up an all star? Don't forget hpow good Horgan was up to yesterday as well. For me as it stands, I would have Conlon, Hannon, Duggan & Mannion in that order as the front runners for hurler of the year." What about Daithi Burke, or will the injury and Padraic Mannion hurt him? Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2131 - 04/08/2018 13:25:56 2128919 Link
How are the All Stars shaping up now? I think the four players filled in below are certs. 1 Eoin Murphy 2 3 Daithi Burke 4 5 Padraic Mannion 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 John Conlon 15 gaelicgab (USA) - Posts: 878 - 15/08/2018 13:55:57 2133591 Link
Replying To Trump2020: "What about Daithi Burke, or will the injury and Padraic Mannion hurt him?" Burke has the number 3 position nailed down and likewise Mannion in the half back line. Burke is going for his fourth All Star in a row which is an incredible achievement. He is only 25 years old. Two contenders for POTY for me. Indo tipping Joe Canning for POTY. Cormac Byrne says he has "been better, and more driven" this year compared to last year. What do posters think? 13/2 could look a big price come Sunday evening. gaelicgab (USA) - Posts: 878 - 15/08/2018 14:02:55 2133592 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "TJ won't get one. Joe has been better this year than last year in my opinion. I dont know the state but he has certainly scored a lot more per game. If Galway win the All Ireland then Padraic Mannion will probably get hurler of the year. As it stands Eoin Murphy defintely deserves one. I'd also have Cian Lynch in the team. You could make good arguments for up to 30 players at this point! Could Shane Dowling be this years Kieran Donahy and pick up an all star? Don't forget hpow good Horgan was up to yesterday as well. For me as it stands, I would have Conlon, Hannon, Duggan & Mannion in that order as the front runners for hurler of the year." TJ will lose out due to the most significant aspect of his excellent performances this year being un-glamorous, it was donkey work, winning balls in rucks, always finding the man in crowds of players, winning ball he had no right to win, stuff that is most appreciated when the game is watched in person rather than TV. He carried a relatively poor KK team though the league and Championship. Maybe if he stuck a few sidelines over the bar instead of always trying to find the man, he'd be in with a shout Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 15/08/2018 14:46:15 2133607 Link
Replying To Heftydickonem: "TJ will lose out due to the most significant aspect of his excellent performances this year being un-glamorous, it was donkey work, winning balls in rucks, always finding the man in crowds of players, winning ball he had no right to win, stuff that is most appreciated when the game is watched in person rather than TV. He carried a relatively poor KK team though the league and Championship. Maybe if he stuck a few sidelines over the bar instead of always trying to find the man, he'd be in with a shout" You talk as if he could strike a few sidelines over the bar easily if he wanted. I'm sure if he could, he would. There's a reason he tries to find the man. Plenty other players do the unglamorous work for their teams also. TJ's a fantastic player but this wasn't his best championship year. His scoring rate from play as Kilkenny's top forward was quite low, and I don't think he did enough to warrant an All-Star. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 15/08/2018 22:02:41 2133719 Link
The frontrunners for Hurler of the Year are Padraic Mannion and Joe Canning. Exactly as the bookies have it. Anyone naming four or five individuals that has Mannion at the bottom of the list and doesn't even include JC either got a bad shift in the Oasis or the Warwick on a dirty weekend Saturday night in Salthill once upon a time, or else hasn't watched too many games this year. The bookies are spot on. If one of the two is outstanding on Sunday, he'll win it. Otherwise, it could go either way. marooney (Galway) - Posts: 88 - 15/08/2018 22:39:13 2133729 Link
Replying To gaelicgab: "How are the All Stars shaping up now? I think the four players filled in below are certs. 1 Eoin Murphy 2 3 Daithi Burke 4 5 Padraic Mannion 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 John Conlon 15" I'd add Canning and Gillane as certs, Cian Lynch possibly too, Murphy not a cert if quaid has a big performance on Sunday bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 15/08/2018 23:14:47 2133730 Link
Replying To gaelicgab: "How are the All Stars shaping up now? I think the four players filled in below are certs. 1 Eoin Murphy 2 3 Daithi Burke 4 5 Padraic Mannion 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 John Conlon 15" A good final from Quaid and he could get it. Had one great game against Limerick but let it a bad goal against galway. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 16/08/2018 03:42:59 2133745 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "You talk as if he could strike a few sidelines over the bar easily if he wanted. I'm sure if he could, he would. There's a reason he tries to find the man. Plenty other players do the unglamorous work for their teams also. TJ's a fantastic player but this wasn't his best championship year. His scoring rate from play as Kilkenny's top forward was quite low, and I don't think he did enough to warrant an All-Star." Actually TJ is well able indeed to strike sidelines over the bar but he has been varying it this year and mostly trying to find a loose team mate in a scorable position. He has been playing the percentages which didn't actually come off a lot of the time through none of his fault. Scoring points from sidelines is a wonderful spectacle but going for it is not always the right thing to do. Joe has got some really great ones for us this year -- high pressure ones -- at really crucial times in games but what has been his overall success rate? If it is 50% it is very high and it is probably less than that. There have been a few times when he has been taking ones from really acute angles where he has gone for it and they have gone wide and I had been hoping before he struck it that he would play the percentages and even try to surprise the opposition a little bit and play to a loose colleague. When the angle is acute it doesn't really make much sense to go for it cos 3 times out of 4 they will go wide even when a player of Joe's ability is taking it. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 16/08/2018 05:27:20 2133746 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Actually TJ is well able indeed to strike sidelines over the bar but he has been varying it this year and mostly trying to find a loose team mate in a scorable position. He has been playing the percentages which didn't actually come off a lot of the time through none of his fault. Scoring points from sidelines is a wonderful spectacle but going for it is not always the right thing to do. Joe has got some really great ones for us this year -- high pressure ones -- at really crucial times in games but what has been his overall success rate? If it is 50% it is very high and it is probably less than that. There have been a few times when he has been taking ones from really acute angles where he has gone for it and they have gone wide and I had been hoping before he struck it that he would play the percentages and even try to surprise the opposition a little bit and play to a loose colleague. When the angle is acute it doesn't really make much sense to go for it cos 3 times out of 4 they will go wide even when a player of Joe's ability is taking it." I agree with you. When Joe is taking sideline cuts from horrible angles it would make sense to hit it towards his TALL forwards where they'd usually have a better than 50/50 chance due to their height and skill. Why waste such tall classy forwards by taking a low percentage shot??? Joe should be smarter than that!! Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2131 - 16/08/2018 19:25:23 2133937 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Actually TJ is well able indeed to strike sidelines over the bar but he has been varying it this year and mostly trying to find a loose team mate in a scorable position. He has been playing the percentages which didn't actually come off a lot of the time through none of his fault. Scoring points from sidelines is a wonderful spectacle but going for it is not always the right thing to do. Joe has got some really great ones for us this year -- high pressure ones -- at really crucial times in games but what has been his overall success rate? If it is 50% it is very high and it is probably less than that. There have been a few times when he has been taking ones from really acute angles where he has gone for it and they have gone wide and I had been hoping before he struck it that he would play the percentages and even try to surprise the opposition a little bit and play to a loose colleague. When the angle is acute it doesn't really make much sense to go for it cos 3 times out of 4 they will go wide even when a player of Joe's ability is taking it." I've no doubt he can hit them, but not matter-of-factly as the our Kilkenny friend was suggesting. If it was that easy, he would be taking them on regularly. Most sidelines, if kept in play, turn out to be 50/50 battles for possession once hit, unless taken very quickly or there's an excellent run made. After this, if the team does win it, there's then another questionable probability of being able to work a scoring chance and taking a score. When added up, the probability of scoring from a passed sideline, wouldn't be very different from taking on the shot in many cases. Of course I'm talking in relation to those which are in the most 'scorable' areas. I agree that those taken on from very tight angles are pretty much a complete waste. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 16/08/2018 22:11:28 2133958 Link
Replying To 890202: "Two games to go, possibly more depending on draws. Too often do the All Ireland finalists get nearly all of the awards. I hope this year is different and they actually award individuals based on individual performances rather than on the team they happen to play for. I'll give my opinion on the All Star 15 I would pick as it stands: Eoin Murphy Liam Ryan Daithi Burke Richie English Seadna Morey Declan Hannon Mark Coleman Daragh Fitzgibbon Johnny Coen Cathal Mannion TJ Reid Peter Duggan Graeme Mulcahy John Conlon Aaron Gillane I really hope the outstanding performances by Eoin Murphy and TJ Reid are not forgotten. Kilkenny won the league and pushed all Ireland finalists limerick all the way, thanks to the individual brilliance of Murphy and Reid. Wexford got to the national league semi final and all Ireland quarter final with Liam Ryan being outstanding everyday particularly on John Conlon in the 1/4 final. These counties didn't make the semi finals but I believe those three individuals are worthy of all stars considering their individual performances in what is an individual based award." My revised all stars Eoin Murphy Sean Finn Daithi Burke Richie English Padraig Mannion Declan Hannon Mark Coleman Darragh O Donovan Darragh Fitzgibbon Peter Duggan Seamus Harnedy Tom Morrisey Arran Gillane Seamus Flanagan Graeme Mulcahy Man of the Match for me: Seamus Flanagan 890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 19/08/2018 17:18:14 2134430 Link
Eoin Murphy Sean Finn Daithi Burke Mike Casey P Mannion Hannon Coleman Darragh Fitzgibbon Cian Lynch Harnedy Canning Kyle Hayes Gillane Conlon Conor Whelan HOTY: Pauric Mannion Today's MOTM: Kyle Hayes bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 19/08/2018 20:09:29 2134500 Link
Replying To 890202: "My revised all stars Eoin Murphy Sean Finn Daithi Burke Richie English Padraig Mannion Declan Hannon Mark Coleman Darragh O Donovan Darragh Fitzgibbon Peter Duggan Seamus Harnedy Tom Morrisey Arran Gillane Seamus Flanagan Graeme Mulcahy Man of the Match for me: Seamus Flanagan" I can safely say you have left one out for sure , a certain Joe Canning. conordee (Galway) - Posts: 440 - 19/08/2018 20:30:39 2134509 Link