Those are my attendance predictions for next weekend's 'friendly'.
How many do you expect to show up ?
So much for the Super 8 - 'super' has a whole new meaning !

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2598 - 23/07/2018 02:53:25    2124956

maybe they should play it in pairc ui chaoimh,sure its only down the road from both counties.....

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 23/07/2018 08:59:19    2124975

ExiledinDublin (Mayo) - Posts: 131 - 23/07/2018 08:59:21    2124976

Dublin 15k, Roscommon 100

Where do you pluck these numbers from ? who told you those numbers where going from each county ?

I get the point you are trying to make.. by pulling random numbers out of your back side to suit your agenda you are suggesting that this is a nonsense dead rubber and so alot of people wont bother going particularly from Roscommon..

Let me just say that this is likely to happen in round robin group games in sport. Its happened in the champions league. It happens in the allianz leagues, It will happen in the hurling at some point if it hasnt already and its happening now in the super 8's

You dont like it i guess ? Well youve to endure it another 2 years at least after this!!

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 23/07/2018 10:40:01    2125029

Well yes - you are right - I had been voicing my dislike of round robins for some time and those attendance numbers are not robust predictions.

In a couple of weeks, Kerry and Mona will learn their fate after playing Kild and Galw, two teams with little to play for. While motivation may not be optimal amonst the latter two, any motivation variance will conttibute to the all important scoring differential that Kerry and Mona are dependent on. In a nutshell, this has a 'lottery' element that no sound system should allow. The Back Door doesn't have it - win and you're through or else go home. Just because the Champions League, World Cup and other tournaments have this flaw doesn't mean we have to adopt it.

Instead - if Group 2 was played as an extended Double Chance (like prior C Ring Cup), the Dub/Tyr winner yesterday (winners the 1st day) would advance to AI SFs (without playing Rosc) but the loser would play the Done/Rosc winner (losers the 1st day) in a pure KO QF (as it happened, Group 2 played to script with an effective QF, but Group 1 did not).
But you get the point - ultimately though, I'd have 2 unbeaten Champs and 6 Qualifiers advancing to AI QFs instead - neutralising the Prov structural imbalance.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2598 - 23/07/2018 12:27:00    2125128

Thought this was some sort of score prediction...

m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 23/07/2018 13:24:23    2125179

Regardless of the fact that this is a dead rubber game, in light of the circumstances, would it not be better for all involved to play this game in Parnell Park. I believe stand tickets are €30!! This isn't a dig at the Super 8 format, you're going to have dead rubbers, but common sense should also prevail. Its a really hard sell for anyone to want to go to this game. Some of Dublins league attendances will probably have a better turn out than this one.
At least if it was on in Parnell it would have a bit of atmosphere and it also gives the kids a run onto the pitch at full time, a few selfies with the players and possibly even a puck around at half time.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 23/07/2018 14:12:39    2125219

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 23/07/2018 14:31:48    2125226

Regardless of the fact that this is a dead rubber game, in light of the circumstances, would it not be better for all involved to play this game in Parnell Park. I believe stand tickets are €30!! This isn't a dig at the Super 8 format, you're going to have dead rubbers, but common sense should also prevail. Its a really hard sell for anyone to want to go to this game. Some of Dublins league attendances will probably have a better turn out than this one.
At least if it was on in Parnell it would have a bit of atmosphere and it also gives the kids a run onto the pitch at full time, a few selfies with the players and possibly even a puck around at half time.
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 752 - 23/07/2018 14:12:39people shouldnt be allowed on pitches at full time and certainly not at half time. There's good reason many arent allowed on pitches at half time. It protects surface of pitch for one

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 23/07/2018 14:56:18    2125243

A shame this dead rubber coincides with the u20 final....a packed Mullingar or Tullamore for Mayo. V Kildare would have been some atmosphere.

That's said I know the young players are delighted to be playing in Croker and yes us Mayo fans do get a trip to Croke Park this year after all.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 23/07/2018 18:14:50    2125346

Im the first to admit i was very skeptical and indeed critical of the super 8s last year when it was first announced and my concerns were raised even further when the all ireland quarters dublin v monaghan tyrone v armagh kerry v galway and mayo v roscommon replay were pretty much non events. my reasoning for this was wed have 3 weekends of farcical games. however i must admit this weekends action all games were decent watches where with 15 mins left in each game you felt either team had a chance. now obviously some results have gone the way whereby this dublin roscommon is a in essence a waste of time seeing as the dubs will finish top regardless of whether they play their championship 15 or a team full of junior players for this game. not the dubs fault however,

roscommon were just caught by a rampant tyrone and beaten well by a donegal side. its nobodies fault but roscommons that they are in a position where the 3rd game means feck all, my point is the super 8s may need to be ironed out a little bit with provincials winners first game at home and all that but there is nothing wrong with this format, its upto teams to ensure that they are within a shout in their last group game like kerry did yesterday with the last minute leveller ensuring they are fighting to stay in

its the SUPER 8s..the best 8 teams in the country,surely if a team has any real ambition of winning an all ireland they can get 1 point at the very least in 2 games of championship football where one game is at least is in a neutral venue or even at home in kildares case. if you lose the first two games tough luck and try again next year. don't give out about having to go to a dead rubber game for your side when your side is clearly not good enough at the moment

pidge (Cork) - Posts: 543 - 23/07/2018 18:52:47    2125361

Good opportunity for Roscommon to try out new players. Cant blame Dublin for picking up 4 points out of 2 games. It is up to the other teams to stay in the competition as best they can.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 23/07/2018 18:58:20    2125364

I wonder will it be the weekends biggest attendance though be weird if a dead rubber free more then the competitive games.

Mathematically Dublin could still be knocked out.

I always found the Rossies well supported in league games, while I wouldn't be surprised to see a few travel to watch their team take in the Dubs.

Sunny bank holiday in Dublin has something to bring out a crowd as well.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 23/07/2018 20:05:36    2125384

Why do we have to cross our fingers every year to avoid dead rubbers. If Clifford's goal didn't go in yesterday, we'd have 2 more dead games coming - only Done v Tyr counting out of 4 last rd games.

We could have the 12 Super games spread over 4 groups of 3 - achieving 2 worthy causes - namely, access for 4 more teams and the elimination of dead rubbers, if the 1st group match loser plays again in the 3rd match.

You'd rather cross your fingers ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2598 - 23/07/2018 21:02:11    2125412

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 23/07/2018 21:04:03    2125413

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 23/07/2018 21:26:29    2125428

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 23/07/2018 21:48:55    2125442

I wasn't aware that it went on head to head, I thought it was points difference to be honest, happy to be wrong, ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 23/07/2018 22:00:56    2125451

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 23/07/2018 22:14:17    2125457

people shouldnt be allowed on pitches at full time and certainly not at half time. There's good reason many arent allowed on pitches at half time. It protects surface of pitch for one

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 154 - 23/07/2018 14:56:18 2125243


If that's your thinking then you better not go to any club championship games in Parnell Park at any stage. The pitch at half time is crawling with kids pucking or kicking away to their hearts content, and to be honest, it's one of the best sights in the GAA.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 23/07/2018 22:27:30    2125464