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Thought the ref definitely favoured Clare last Saturday.
At the end of normal time Clare lost the ball on the Galway 70, the second a Galwayman had the ball he blew for full-time.
You could see the Galway players having a go at him after.
He played 3 minutes at the end of a 35 minute half, yet he managed to find 4 minutes at the end of a 10 minute half?
Explain that one.
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Is this fully sold out? You can't still get tickets in centra or super value?
Great to see such interest if so. Only 36,000 showed up to watch the kerry v mayo semi final replay in 2013. If you could get 46k for this it would be fantastic. Pity semple doesn't still hold it's old capacity of 54k. Maybe someday they'll up it again although the next priority should be building waterford a new stadium and increasing Clares capacity further.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 01/08/2018 14:34:55
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Right. That's around 3 pages of 'discussion' on the ref's performance from the last day, as well as multiple tangents which have little to do with this fixture.
We're halfway through the week in between, so it'd be good to get some opinions on the replay itself.
Gearóid Mac is a big loss, but it looks as though the other doubts will be available. I'm hoping we have a more varied gameplan the next day, and react a lot quicker to changes if needed. Clare will obviously be full of confidence after the last day, but replays often tend to bear no resemblance whatsoever to the original game.
The atmosphere of a full house in Thurles should be great and I expect it to be hammer and tongs from the get-go.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2043 - 01/08/2018 14:41:00
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Replying To Canuck: "Do you really think the referee starting out and took the game biased against Galway ? Were y'ere guys biased against us ? I don't think do. I certainly hope not or the affection I have for Galway is not well founded. Funny the only thing I picked up on was the final whistle in normal time went as I believe Galway were about to score. However time was up and that was his prerogative to blow it. If he did not he would probable be criticized for allowing a score after time up. You know like Cork's winning penalty in the under 21 last year against us. We just had to suck it up.
My suggestion for time is very simple but people jump on it. Put the games back to 30 minutes with a clock that only runs when the ball is in play. Yes it will take longer but that is the cost to taking out may be what you call bias. When the hooter goes the game is over no matter where the ball. If the ball is struck and a score is got it must cross the scoring line before time expired. All penalties should be reviewed because of the impact of a wrong decisions. It can be done in the time the guy is farting around placing the ball." That was a good spot by you alright, Canuck. It was also his prerogative not to blow right there of course, especially after wearing it out to the turnover, to see if Clare could deliver what would have undoubtedly been the winning score. I'm looking forward to seeing Waterford back at the business end in 2019.
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Replying To Damothedub: "As a neutral and I am one no issue with the ref , some you win some you lose , but micro managing a draw is like a broken pencil pointless, this post should be about the game past and future and not hi-jacked about the refs performance , looking forward to it felt Clare could win the last day if they clicked , think they may have left their chance behind them , just a feeling nothing else" No one is saying he micro managed a draw. He appeared to be facilitating a Clare win on 70+mins, in the sense of giving them every chance to pop the winner, but the second Galway turned them over, in a hugely exciting frenzied segment of play around the Galway 70yard line, he blew it, even though that Galway turnover possession looked very promising, as Canuck has just observed there. 'Micro managing the draw' appeared to be only literally a last gasp effort/blow!
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3423 - 01/08/2018 15:02:09
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Please no more ref talk!
So as it looks like G Mac is definitely out, looking back at the league games we only played Martin Dolphin of Portumna at 6 in the first game against Antrim. Gearoid played in all the others at centre back.
What's everyone thinking in terms of replacement? The obvious is P Mannion but essentially wherever he plays, Clare will avoid the puck out going there as happened on Saturday. Id like to see him match up on Duggan but that will mean he will be dragged out to the wing. Would Aidan Harte be an option with either Loftus (my preference) or Killeen on the wing?
Will Clare play with Galvin as sweeper again or will that be plan B? I would imagine Kelly will be centre mid but will Clare persist with Cathal Malone who has been whipped off in every game except the easy enough Wexford win?
I would be surprised if David Fitzgerald isn't included from that start given his performances dating back to Limerick game in Ennis.
Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 01/08/2018 15:28:03
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Replying To Miami305: "Please no more ref talk!
So as it looks like G Mac is definitely out, looking back at the league games we only played Martin Dolphin of Portumna at 6 in the first game against Antrim. Gearoid played in all the others at centre back.
What's everyone thinking in terms of replacement? The obvious is P Mannion but essentially wherever he plays, Clare will avoid the puck out going there as happened on Saturday. Id like to see him match up on Duggan but that will mean he will be dragged out to the wing. Would Aidan Harte be an option with either Loftus (my preference) or Killeen on the wing?
Will Clare play with Galvin as sweeper again or will that be plan B? I would imagine Kelly will be centre mid but will Clare persist with Cathal Malone who has been whipped off in every game except the easy enough Wexford win?
I would be surprised if David Fitzgerald isn't included from that start given his performances dating back to Limerick game in Ennis." Really can't understand Clare's persistence with Malone, his hurling is incredibly slow and you would have thought Fitzgerald is the better option but clearly the two lads see something in him?
PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 01/08/2018 15:39:48
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I'm glad. You need a laugh now & again. Even Kildare lads commentating on hurling referees." Are kildare lads not allowed to have opinions on hurling matches? I never got that memo. Only whinging galways lads are allowed to comment on hurling.
jj72 (Kildare) - Posts: 53 - 01/08/2018 23:28:08
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Replying To Miami305: "Please no more ref talk!
So as it looks like G Mac is definitely out, looking back at the league games we only played Martin Dolphin of Portumna at 6 in the first game against Antrim. Gearoid played in all the others at centre back.
What's everyone thinking in terms of replacement? The obvious is P Mannion but essentially wherever he plays, Clare will avoid the puck out going there as happened on Saturday. Id like to see him match up on Duggan but that will mean he will be dragged out to the wing. Would Aidan Harte be an option with either Loftus (my preference) or Killeen on the wing?
Will Clare play with Galvin as sweeper again or will that be plan B? I would imagine Kelly will be centre mid but will Clare persist with Cathal Malone who has been whipped off in every game except the easy enough Wexford win?
I would be surprised if David Fitzgerald isn't included from that start given his performances dating back to Limerick game in Ennis." Id be surprised if Malone starts. Cant see it. His hurling is too slow. David Fitz is the obvious choice but he has been a great man to spring from the bench when players are getting leggy.
I would not be surprised if Galway line up same as the last day. It doesnt matter anyway, Galway are rightfully favorites but there is something about this Clare team this year, there is a real never say die attitude being developed and I just think as Gerry O Connor said before the Tipp game the stars could be aligning for us.
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I'm not surprised with the news that Semple Stadium in Thurles is a sell out for Sunday's eagerly awaited replay! Another epic hurling thriller between these two wonderful hurling teams!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2207 - 02/08/2018 10:19:58
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Replying To jj72: "Are kildare lads not allowed to have opinions on hurling matches? I never got that memo. Only whinging galways lads are allowed to comment on hurling." Of course you are allowed to have a opinion, it's just some Galway lads are very sensitive... I still don't know why they are crying about the Ref!!! How do you think the match will go Sunday?
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2207 - 02/08/2018 10:58:24
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Replying To katser: "I'm not surprised with the news that Semple Stadium in Thurles is a sell out for Sunday's eagerly awaited replay! Another epic hurling thriller between these two wonderful hurling teams!" It's not a sell out yet. Tickets for both terraces available on tickets.ie
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 02/08/2018 14:12:11
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Id be surprised if Malone starts. Cant see it. His hurling is too slow. David Fitz is the obvious choice but he has been a great man to spring from the bench when players are getting leggy.
I would not be surprised if Galway line up same as the last day. It doesnt matter anyway, Galway are rightfully favorites but there is something about this Clare team this year, there is a real never say die attitude being developed and I just think as Gerry O Connor said before the Tipp game the stars could be aligning for us." If Galway are as wasteful as the last day, you stand a very good chance. ( Would that be a victory for the 'blanket'?)
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 02/08/2018 15:21:46
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Replying To Miami305: "Please no more ref talk!
So as it looks like G Mac is definitely out, looking back at the league games we only played Martin Dolphin of Portumna at 6 in the first game against Antrim. Gearoid played in all the others at centre back.
What's everyone thinking in terms of replacement? The obvious is P Mannion but essentially wherever he plays, Clare will avoid the puck out going there as happened on Saturday. Id like to see him match up on Duggan but that will mean he will be dragged out to the wing. Would Aidan Harte be an option with either Loftus (my preference) or Killeen on the wing?
Will Clare play with Galvin as sweeper again or will that be plan B? I would imagine Kelly will be centre mid but will Clare persist with Cathal Malone who has been whipped off in every game except the easy enough Wexford win?
I would be surprised if David Fitzgerald isn't included from that start given his performances dating back to Limerick game in Ennis." I'd like to see Joseph Cooney go to Centre Half Back, like McInerney he's a big unit, and he actually plays there for his club, not to mention he has been very poor all year for Galway. Yes I know he does a lot of unseen donkey work, but you can't carry a forward who rarely if ever scores. So Cooney to centre half forward, Niall Burke replacing him, and possibly a start for Jason Flynn? However if Galway allow Clare to waltz out of defence on their own puckouts like they did last Saturday, then I can only see a Clare win. However if Galway learn the lessons like they did after the Leinster Final, then they should be more than good enough to win on Sunday by three or four points.
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Replying To gilly2308: "I'd like to see Joseph Cooney go to Centre Half Back, like McInerney he's a big unit, and he actually plays there for his club, not to mention he has been very poor all year for Galway. Yes I know he does a lot of unseen donkey work, but you can't carry a forward who rarely if ever scores. So Cooney to centre half forward, Niall Burke replacing him, and possibly a start for Jason Flynn? However if Galway allow Clare to waltz out of defence on their own puckouts like they did last Saturday, then I can only see a Clare win. However if Galway learn the lessons like they did after the Leinster Final, then they should be more than good enough to win on Sunday by three or four points." I've watched J. Cooney play Centre back at club level and he even struggled there let alone in a All ireland semi final against a very good Clare team!! If anything I think he should be dropped from the team because he isn't doing a whole lot for Galway this year. Most definitely J Flynn should start and fits into that forward unit of JC, C.Mannion, C.Cooney C. Whelan.
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2207 - 02/08/2018 17:37:32
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Replying To katser: "I've watched J. Cooney play Centre back at club level and he even struggled there let alone in a All ireland semi final against a very good Clare team!! If anything I think he should be dropped from the team because he isn't doing a whole lot for Galway this year. Most definitely J Flynn should start and fits into that forward unit of JC, C.Mannion, C.Cooney C. Whelan." J Cooney does donkey work well. He is needed to keep ball breaking for the other forwards and his man will never be man of the match.
I would prefer Cooney to a lad that scores 3 points everyday and let his man clear 12. We didn't win for 29 years. We should stick to the winning team as close as possible while we can or it could all fall apart quicker than we think.
Sheedy (Galway) - Posts: 107 - 02/08/2018 23:48:47
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Replying To Sheedy: "J Cooney does donkey work well. He is needed to keep ball breaking for the other forwards and his man will never be man of the match.
I would prefer Cooney to a lad that scores 3 points everyday and let his man clear 12. We didn't win for 29 years. We should stick to the winning team as close as possible while we can or it could all fall apart quicker than we think." Donkey work. . . . All the other forwards are able to win their own ball take on their men and more importantly get scores because it's scores you need to beat this Clare team. I just think there isn't enough of a return coming from J Cooney this year, even subs who come on score more than him and they would be on the field of play in less time compared to him
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2207 - 03/08/2018 17:28:42
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Replying To katser: "Donkey work. . . . All the other forwards are able to win their own ball take on their men and more importantly get scores because it's scores you need to beat this Clare team. I just think there isn't enough of a return coming from J Cooney this year, even subs who come on score more than him and they would be on the field of play in less time compared to him" Joe Canning, someone who knows a thing or two about hurling, praised Joseph Cooney recently for the hard work that he does, work that often goes unnoticed.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1805 - 04/08/2018 12:21:48
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Replying To baire: "Joe Canning, someone who knows a thing or two about hurling, praised Joseph Cooney recently for the hard work that he does, work that often goes unnoticed." Yeah there's only one ball out there and he keeps winning his place on the team despite a good bench of guys so I assume he's doing something right, ha ha.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2124 - 04/08/2018 13:19:49
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Don't know if it has been covered before and don't think it's worthy of another thread but the situation for the armchair fan is far from ideal tomorrow.
1:15 TG4
Kildare v Mayo
U20 Final
2:00 RTE
Galway v Clare
3:30 RTE
Donegal v Tyrone
First half of a potentially very interesting U20 football on TG4, switch over for the hurling, hope it doesn't go to extra time and then straight into Donegal v Tyrone.
3 interesting games shoved into a 4 hr period. Anyone know why Galway v Clare couldn't have been scheduled for 6pm on Sunday evening?
It's a bank holiday weekend so I'm sure the supporters and the publicans of Thurles wouldn't say to a few Sunday afternoon pre match pints!
It's most definitely the main event so shouldn't be squeezed into a time slot that takes away from it and the other games.
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