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In the last 20 years under Cody's management, Kilkenny have won 11 AI finals and 15 AI semi-finals. 21 of those 26 games were against teams from Munster. And you're saying their success is down to playing against "the worst Leinster teams"?
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2476 - 30/07/2018 12:34:14 2127513 Link 0 |
Not alone that, Perfect, but Owens tried to help Cork against us in the 2015 q-final as well. He also didn't give Galway any frees in the second half of the 2015 final, until KK had the game won. He also didn't disallow Alyward's goal in the recent Galway/KK match in Thurles, after the player had taken 25 steps or so before finishing, seemingly hoping to facilitate a KK recovery. He also didn't have an umpire to 'report it' who couldn't have been more than 6 feet away from it. Owens. and indeed his extended umpiring team has 'form' against Galway. I'll have to revisit the tape, but in attendance at Croker, I thought he was worth 6to9 points to Clare over the 90+mins, between handy frees that he gave Clare, and frees that Galway did not get. Throw in his suspicious whistling at 70+ mins, and it's no wonder we're paranoid. Incidently, what did you think of O'Brien at the recent U21 Leinster final, Perfect? Were we 'deluded' that night too?
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3423 - 30/07/2018 12:50:34 2127519 Link 1 |
I do think that GAA refs, football and hurling, from under-12 to a senior All-Ireland, try to engineer draws in close-run matches. We've all seen it, a losing team getting a few handy frees to bring them back into a match, a team one point down given one last attack to try and draw the match even if they're over the time allotted, a team getting a handy free at the death to draw a game. There was a touch of that on Saturday I thought, but every team benefits or suffers from it at some stage. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 30/07/2018 12:55:11 2127521 Link 0 |
Seems like Clare are in for some beating next Sunday then! Amazing where some treads end up. I for thought the referee on Saturday did a fine job. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 30/07/2018 13:08:29 2127525 Link 1 |
By god, theres a few Galway people embaraasing themselves here. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 30/07/2018 13:14:58 2127526 Link 2 |
You won last years All Ireland because you were the best team. You will win this year's if ye are the best team. We did not begrudge you winning but wished it was us. Neither did we make issue of refereeing. If you want to talk about umpiring before the ball was thrown in Glynn had hit both Coughlan and Connors with they looking on. Hand bag stuff ? Coughlan's thigh was beet red. Like I said ye were the best team and ye have a great team. However there are two other great teams left in the competition. Concentrate on them and stop your whining.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 30/07/2018 13:21:08 2127527 Link 5 |
I don't think Owens is biased but after watching him for many years what I am 100% certain he does do is he "helps out" the team that is losing. The last day Clare were behind for 95% of the game so they got most of the decisions. When Galway finally went behind in extra time he awarded us a very soft free for a foul on Glennon. Twice the last day he gave Clare a chance to get a last gasp score before the whistle blew. Twice they got turned over in midfield and he immediately blew it up once Galway had the ball back and were about to attack themselves. Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 2216 - 30/07/2018 13:24:26 2127530 Link 2 |
Where did I say that? I was talking about the Leinster championship, I didn't mention the AI.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1806 - 30/07/2018 13:45:45 2127539 Link 0 |
Galway were not behind, when Glennon got that free, so that might put a hole in your theory. Galway also couldn't buy a free in the second half of the 2015 final. No 'help out' that day, until the game was lost.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3423 - 30/07/2018 14:14:41 2127544 Link 1 |
I'm not whining, just stating the obvious. We've won/drawn matches ourselves from 2012 to 2017, where Barry Kelly helped us out imo. Owens helped Clare on Saturday. So many Galway folk, including even MOD the manager says this, so it's ridiculous that 'neutrals' are on here claiming that the refereeing was balanced.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3423 - 30/07/2018 14:22:08 2127548 Link 1 |
When Clare changed to a sweeper system Galway did not counteract it and the game changed. We have seen lots of instances of teams being 6 -10 points up in hurling and the other team having their purple patch and bringing it back level or even winning the game. Cork were 6 points up with only 8 mins left, they were cruising too I suppose! KK gave hammerings to most counties but with the recent changes in the championship structure along with the strength and conditioning of the top 8 teams, it's likely such regular hammerings, by the same team, will be a thing of the past.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1806 - 30/07/2018 14:32:32 2127553 Link 0 |
I agree Ref gave us nothing! The free at the end of the game was a Joke, even the panel on Sunday game said it was a joke but not a surprise. There is only one way we will stop neutrals or anti-Galway people talking and that is with a Hurley on the pitch next Sunday. I believe we will win next Sunday. It is Clare who could not finish us off when we were the walking wounded. We went 9 points up early, means nothing. It is like a Horse going off on a sprint in the Grand National, it will be reeled back. It is the Galway staying Power that impressed me when Clare threw the Kitchen Sink at us and 5 of our All-Stars were on the Side Line. Clare's Big Day in Croke Park is over. Down to Thurles now for the real game and back down to Earth for Clare and the anti-Galway neutrals.
SAMMYTHEBULL (Galway) - Posts: 1646 - 30/07/2018 17:00:25 2127593 Link 0 |
Galway had the winning of the game in their own hands during normal time, 3 points ahead with 5-6 minutes left, Clare drew the game, after going 2 points up in the second half of extra time. Galway went 1 point ahead at the close of extra time, but messed up a sideline and Clare got the equaliser. Nothing to do with the referee.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 30/07/2018 17:06:11 2127596 Link 1 |
It rained at times during the 90+mins too. Nothing to do with the referee either. Your point is meaningless, if you catch my drift, and doesn't address the issue at all of Owens helping Clare over the 90+min duration.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3423 - 30/07/2018 18:07:42 2127605 Link 0 |
The anti-Galway neutrals must be a little confused with the whole thing!
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 30/07/2018 18:19:48 2127609 Link 1 |
While I didn't "love" the ref I agree with you in that Galway lost it (the win) on their own. I think Clare were the SMARTER team on the day. Galway did numerous dumb things to help Clare. Clare were great and didn't need such help but Galway just did dumb things like terrible puck outs, hurrying a sideline ball when they had the lead, etc. This and the numerous wides would help anyone stay in a match. That being said I must commend Clare for 1. Not giving up and 2. Being faster to almost every ball. Should be an awesome rematch and an awesome All Ireland no matter who gets through!!! Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2125 - 30/07/2018 18:42:35 2127615 Link 1 |
Assuming Canning couldn't play who would take his place? Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2125 - 30/07/2018 18:43:46 2127616 Link 0 |
Ref this, Ref that. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13710 - 30/07/2018 18:58:09 2127620 Link 1 |
It will be a novel pairing regardless of who wins on Sunday. Great to see different teams in the final. Galway's passing and shooting were not good on Saturday. Hopefully the replay will be just as exciting. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 30/07/2018 19:02:23 2127621 Link 1 |
KK gave hammerings to most counties but with the recent changes in the championship structure along with the strength and conditioning of the top 8 teams, it's likely such regular hammerings, by the same team, will be a thing of the past. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2476 - 30/07/2018 20:02:56 2127638 Link 0 |