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Monaghan V Kerry

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Plenty of people getting carried away with one bad result for Kerry. How many times have we seen them stutter through a quarter final only to cut loose in the subsequent rounds? The best time to beat them is always the first day after the Munster final (or so they tell me, Monaghan folk wouldn't know about those things). I would have preferred to see them beat Galway to be honest, and be coming to Clones with no need to win the game. Its a tougher ask now for this Monaghan team, who themselves won by while not playing that well against a very ordinary Kildare.

The media coverage of this game so far has fallen into the same laughable old clichés around Monaghan too. Over the next few days, the usual lines of 'big physical team' 'hard tackling' 'you will be sore for a week' will all be trotted out. Listening to OTB on Monday, the Clones atmosphere awaiting Kerry was described tribal, primal, barbaric almost. I was beginning to feel sorry for the poor young lads from the tranquil Kerry hills, raised on the values of pure football and artistic tradition. How could they be expected to risk life and limb travelling to such a cauldron of hate?
Yerra, I hope the referees and officials do their best to look out for the lads.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1058 - 18/07/2018 14:59:28    2123512

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Its a fair point and comes down to opinion. To be fair to Galway they have played 3 divisin 1 teams in the championship this year already and beat them and thats after topping DIv 1 this year. I find the media patting them on the head and looking at them as upstarts a bit lacking in analysis, they are huge contenders for the title. Kerry were beaten by one of the best teams on Ireland on Sunday so im not surprised.

You will know more about Galway football then me, what i see against the real top sides is Galway averageing just below 15 points or just above. They are brilliant at imposing their game on others, my worry for Galway is they wont score enough to win the championship its the same thing that stopped Mayo and you are right about the really poor wides at the weekend they need to be going over to have a chance of an All Ireland that just my opinion and of course could be wrong. I would be curious on their average wides in games its something i noticed in games Vs Dublin.

I fancy Galway to make the final and have done since our game in Salt Hill.

The semis this year could be incredible, imagine Tyrone Vs Galway and Dublin Vs Kerry or vice versa."
This is hilarious. For a team 8/15 to win sam to not even get out of the group with 2 points in the bag already and a home tie on the last day at home (is Croke park home)? :):)

That would be a bigger shock than Leicester city winning the premiership.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 18/07/2018 15:27:16    2123519

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Replying To Donegalman:  "This is hilarious. For a team 8/15 to win sam to not even get out of the group with 2 points in the bag already and a home tie on the last day at home (is Croke park home)? :):)

That would be a bigger shock than Leicester city winning the premiership."
I dont think he said anything about not getting out of the group.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 18/07/2018 16:12:56    2123534

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This game is tailor made for Kieran Donaghy:D

Toney (Meath) - Posts: 298 - 18/07/2018 16:25:14    2123539

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Hard to know what to think. I thought Kerry would have sorted out their issues after the drawn game with Mayo last year and they were actually worse the second day. But I expect them to put in far more effort and application this Sunday but they are going to be up against a more advanced version of what they faced last weekend so effort alone isn't going to get it done. Monaghan need to withstand the whirlwind of the first 10 minutes. Could be an absolute classic.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 564 - 18/07/2018 16:50:36    2123548

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Really looking forward to this game, as much as I enjoyed the randomness of the locations in the qualifiers, it will be good to be in Clones. I don't think Monaghan will underestimate Kerry, think Malachy is doing a great job at keeping boys focused ... one game at a time.

OrielAbu (Monaghan) - Posts: 21 - 18/07/2018 17:55:21    2123566

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Hard to know what to think. I thought Kerry would have sorted out their issues after the drawn game with Mayo last year and they were actually worse the second day. But I expect them to put in far more effort and application this Sunday but they are going to be up against a more advanced version of what they faced last weekend so effort alone isn't going to get it done. Monaghan need to withstand the whirlwind of the first 10 minutes. Could be an absolute classic."
Far more advanced version ?
In what way are Monaghan far more advanced ?

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 18/07/2018 18:06:10    2123570

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Far more advanced version ?
In what way are Monaghan far more advanced ?"
He didn't say FAR more advanced but yes I agree.....Galway have adopted a system that ulster teams are masters at.

DragHimDown (Monaghan) - Posts: 73 - 18/07/2018 19:24:22    2123583

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I am getting sick of hearing that Monaghan better be prepared for the Kerry back lash. How about Kerry better be ready for Monaghan. We have a way better chance of winning this than a lot of people would have you think. Do you think our boys are going to roll over like lap dogs and let Kerry scratch there belly. I don't think so. Monaghan have more to gain from this success than Kerry. A semi final spot for one and should we get that spot then who knows. The Monaghan team will be jumping out of there skin for this one. There is a serious bit of history to be made here. The management team have not put all the hours work into this group of fellas to just let Kerry come to our back yard and roll us over. Our more senior players have a massive point to prove also. So I say watch out Kerry.

mon07 (Monaghan) - Posts: 139 - 18/07/2018 20:04:37    2123590

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The thing about Monaghan is that everyone underestimates them which is exactly what we want. The thing I admire about this current crop of players is that they really don't know how to lose. MOR has instilled a belief in them that has been lacking for years. Many folks defined Monaghan's season on a defeat to Fermanagh but truth be told Monaghan had that game won but for a hit and hope into the square that found its way into the net. Even Conor missed a point on last kick of game that you would bank on him getting normally. When Monaghan met Galway in league they were all over them until reduced to 14 men half way through match. Monaghan then took foot of gas as truth be told the Tyrone game was the one that mattered. Monaghan have just did enough in their games since without showing their hand. This group of players are one of the most coherent teams in country and would die for each other on the field. So I hope all Monaghan folk believe we can do this this. Let's send a message from mizen head to malin head that we have arrived, that we are Monaghan and that we believe. I for one do.....for all the years of disappointments and heart ache.... WE CAN DO THIS...OUR DAY HAS COME ....HON THE FARNEY

DragHimDown (Monaghan) - Posts: 73 - 18/07/2018 20:06:26    2123591

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Plenty of people getting carried away with one bad result for Kerry. How many times have we seen them stutter through a quarter final only to cut loose in the subsequent rounds? The best time to beat them is always the first day after the Munster final (or so they tell me, Monaghan folk wouldn't know about those things). I would have preferred to see them beat Galway to be honest, and be coming to Clones with no need to win the game. Its a tougher ask now for this Monaghan team, who themselves won by while not playing that well against a very ordinary Kildare.

The media coverage of this game so far has fallen into the same laughable old clichés around Monaghan too. Over the next few days, the usual lines of 'big physical team' 'hard tackling' 'you will be sore for a week' will all be trotted out. Listening to OTB on Monday, the Clones atmosphere awaiting Kerry was described tribal, primal, barbaric almost. I was beginning to feel sorry for the poor young lads from the tranquil Kerry hills, raised on the values of pure football and artistic tradition. How could they be expected to risk life and limb travelling to such a cauldron of hate?
Yerra, I hope the referees and officials do their best to look out for the lads."
Great Post. If monaghan focus on the job and forget about "what it says in the papers". Believe in themselves that they can finish the job this time. Leave it on the field on Sunday then they will beat kerry. Their job is only minor in comparison to what level our neighbours have to reach on Saturday night.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 18/07/2018 20:08:53    2123593

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Just checked I think the bookies odds are way off for this game, it's an even enough game in my book and Monaghan would be slight favourites considering home advantage and Kerry are coming of the back of a defeat with a 6 day turn around. Maybe this Kerry team aren't as good as people imagined, if they still have to go back to rely on an aging CD it doesn't bode well for their All Ireland hopes.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2748 - 18/07/2018 20:08:59    2123594

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Far more advanced version ?
In what way are Monaghan far more advanced ?"
I didn't say they were far more advanced. Stop making up stuff that isn't there. Monaghan are in their 6th year under Malachy O'Rourke playing this defensive system and Galway are in their 2nd year. If Galway stay with this system, and why wouldn't they,in 4 years time they will have little tweaks made to suit their players and consequently they'll be doing better.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 564 - 18/07/2018 20:21:29    2123598

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Kerry will do well to come away with the points here, if Monaghan hit form I fancy them.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 18/07/2018 20:32:31    2123600

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Replying To DragHimDown:  "The thing about Monaghan is that everyone underestimates them which is exactly what we want. The thing I admire about this current crop of players is that they really don't know how to lose. MOR has instilled a belief in them that has been lacking for years. Many folks defined Monaghan's season on a defeat to Fermanagh but truth be told Monaghan had that game won but for a hit and hope into the square that found its way into the net. Even Conor missed a point on last kick of game that you would bank on him getting normally. When Monaghan met Galway in league they were all over them until reduced to 14 men half way through match. Monaghan then took foot of gas as truth be told the Tyrone game was the one that mattered. Monaghan have just did enough in their games since without showing their hand. This group of players are one of the most coherent teams in country and would die for each other on the field. So I hope all Monaghan folk believe we can do this this. Let's send a message from mizen head to malin head that we have arrived, that we are Monaghan and that we believe. I for one do.....for all the years of disappointments and heart ache.... WE CAN DO THIS...OUR DAY HAS COME ....HON THE FARNEY"
"The thing I admire about this current crop of players is that they really don't know how to lose..." Haha, There's a bunch of Fermanagh players that taught them how to lose!!
In fairness to you though, you are right about this Monaghan team and I really admired their spirit when they beat us in Ulster 2013. Since then they've also added quality to that spirit. Some people questioned that they played at too high of an intensity in the league but from what I know of Monaghan they try to do this in all games and NEED to in order to get results. They didn't do it against Fermanagh but did last weekend and still have more to give.
I fully expect them to be mentally ready for Kerry and also expect them to beat them. From what I have seen Mc Manus has been quiet by his standards but when he is needed in the last 10 minutes he has stood up and was counted. I think he'll have a bigger impression on Sundays game in front of posts he's very used to.
If we aren't successful in our quest for Sam this year I'd love to see Monaghan get over the line!

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 18/07/2018 20:50:52    2123605

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History is here to be made for Monaghan. If we win people will talk about it for years but if Kerry win it will not be spoken about after a month. Let's make history.

mon07 (Monaghan) - Posts: 139 - 18/07/2018 21:23:03    2123612

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "I didn't say they were far more advanced. Stop making up stuff that isn't there. Monaghan are in their 6th year under Malachy O'Rourke playing this defensive system and Galway are in their 2nd year. If Galway stay with this system, and why wouldn't they,in 4 years time they will have little tweaks made to suit their players and consequently they'll be doing better."
Making stuff up ? Jesus ! Ok , you didn't say "far". You did say more advanced then .
A bit over defensive there maybe.
You may be more advanced in terms of the amount of years that the manager is in charge but not in any other department I think.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 18/07/2018 21:33:11    2123615

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Making stuff up ? Jesus ! Ok , you didn't say "far". You did say more advanced then .
A bit over defensive there maybe.
You may be more advanced in terms of the amount of years that the manager is in charge but not in any other department I think."
Galway are on the right track after a result like that at weekend, but they still have a bit to prove at the business end of the championship, as we do ourselves obviously. You're talking like they're an established fixture in semis and finals, they haven't even made the semis this year just yet.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 18/07/2018 21:47:50    2123620

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The last few days all the ex Kerry players a lot now pundits have trotted out same line about Kerry having to man up and we will see a reaction that Kerry will do this Kerry will do that in clones zero respect to Monaghan outside tired cliches hard team to play against tough place to go need to be a man up there etc nothing about quality of players and management . I don't think malachy o rourke needs to do much in the way of firing up the team for this one the Kerry ex players doing that job for him.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 18/07/2018 21:50:54    2123621

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Monaghan's direct running game which they've deployed successfully against Dublin will hopefully come to the front. Monaghan are capable of some excellent fast running football and they can't hurt you

Kerry's defense looks to not have improved a great deal and they are vulnerable there, Plenty of scope for Monaghan to get at them and Kerry have struggled greatly when they are run at.

Also poor discipline cost them big time against Galway, felt that was out of pure frustration when things just weren't going right.

Big big test for a number of Kerry's inexperienced players on the way. EF may have to call on the more experienced players to save their season.. they also have to pray for zero rain fall for the rest of the summer!!

Still.. it's a hard game to call and both sides have points to prove. I hope Monaghan wins but if Kerry pulls it off especially off the back of such a poor performance last Sunday, it will be an excellent result which deserves to be admired.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 18/07/2018 21:56:16    2123622

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